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I would argue electricity is now necessary for a society to reach even greater states of Well Being for All. Nuclear fusion is real possibility.. We can boot strap this system, tinker with it slightly. electricity/the internet have so much potential for good, but of course it’s a double edged sword.
with crop deaths, you still have the right to remove any being by force from your property, hopefully using the least amount of force necessary. The pests are committing a property rights violation so you can remove them. And by going vegan you actually reduce crop deaths because less needs to be grown as most of it is for the animals anyway. And have you seen these multi story crop farms? All indoors, growing tons of staple veg with no pest death!
As for your question, yes I have the "right" to eat meat whatever that means. I am not a functional enough person to stop consuming animal products right now. I've tried and failed so many times. I have other priorities.
I didn’t say that. I said ‘do you think you have the right to kill an animal for sense pleasure?’
Scallops have nerves so they might feel pain. That's not a very solid argument. Plants have their own version of nerves. They are more distant from us than scallops, so we assume that they are not sentient. Personally, I think scallops are closer to broccoli than they are to monkeys in terms of sentience. It is quite extreme to not eat scallops because they might feel harm, when there is no (decent) scientific studies to back that up.
I agree it’s not the most solid argument, like I said, with scallops, we’re kinda in a moral grey area. The fact is they’re animals, and they (c’mon guy….) most likely feel pain. So I try to avoid burdening them with any. Nerves feel pain, right?
Plants have their own version of nerves, well I’m with you, but they’re not the same as ours. It makes it harder for us to empathise. Do I really need to slice up a cucumber and a cute little piggie, in front of you, so we can see where the imbalance of pain lies? Bringing up plant nerves is a bit of a reach.
Veganism makes less sense to me than sentientism, which is probably what I will eventually settle on. It always made the most sense to me.
You would go for sentientism, that’s fair play. There’s quite a lot of debate in the vegan community about what exactly is veganism. Its not as clear cut as ‘don’t harm animals’ (which is the essential core), it does get into the weeds. A poster here referenced a debate between two vegans arguing as to whether we as vegans, can kill carnivorous animals?!
So whether I’m a ‘true’ vegan or not, according to some nuanced definition, I don’t know. I simply try limit the amount of suffering/distress I cause to my environment or other beings as I reasonably can. Sometimes a minor immoral act, may be for the greater good, like with vaccines for example.
I apologise for name dropping you in other posts, I got a little out there.