Conspiracies The Covid Narrative

[Mr. Krinkle]

Maybe it is not wise to be vaccinated. I'm not approaching it from a spiritual perspective. We are saving lives. That's good enough for me. Sometimes fools are noble. Wisdom is overrated. Wise people often seem lonely. There is a sadness in knowing too much, I think.

@Mr. Krinkle

For all your wisdom, you've repeatedly failed to construct a sensible argument.

Perhaps we are all fools.

where's your argument bird?

why did you get vaccinated again? to do the right thing by your county because you're so patriotic? to help fight against how many cases that have even been on your island? that's your argument?

 

[birdup]

@AutoTripper

Maybe we've just been fooled into thinking we've been fooled.

 

[birdup]

@Mr. Krinkle

I got vaccinated because I think it's the right thing to do. I didn't do it because I am afraid of the virus.

I'm not telling you to get vaccinated, because I don't care if you do. It makes no difference to me.

Every day you post stuff on CEPS about vaccines. You post your opinions. I respond with mine.

I'm not sure what you're asking me.

What's your "argument"?

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

@Mr. Krinkle

I'm not sure what you're asking me.

What's your "argument"?

@Mr. Krinkle

For all your wisdom, you've repeatedly failed to construct a sensible argument.

im asking you

what's your argument?

why ya gotta get all in a tizzy?

im askin you

 

[birdup]

Oh I see. I'm not in a tizzy. Just tired and distracted by something.

I've constructed at least half a dozen arguments that you've had no response for. The reasons I chose to get vaccinated are irrelevant. I don't care if you get vaxxed, like I said, and I'm sure you don't care about my vaccine status.

I'm not referring to that.

I'm talking about stuff like you claiming the boosters last for twelve days and having no explanation for NSW and claiming to have invented the question mark. Stuff like that.

You just said it isn't wise of me to vaccinate myself, but you cannot sensibly explain why.

Why do you guys spend so much time trying to convince people that the vaccines are bad? I assume it's because you're annoyed about mandates, which is fair enough. I wouldn't be very happy about a drug if it was forced upon me against my will. Thankfully, it is not an issue for me.

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

Oh I see. I'm not in a tizzy. Just tired and distracted by something.

I've constructed at least half a dozen arguments that you've had no response for. The reasons I chose to get vaccinated are irrelevant. I don't care if you get vaxxed, like I said, and I'm sure you don't care about my vaccine status.

I'm not referring to that.

I'm talking about stuff like you claiming the boosters last for twelve days and having no explanation for NSW and claiming to have invented the question mark. Stuff like that.

You just said it isn't wise of me to vaccinate myself, but you cannot sensibly explain why.

Why do you guys spend so much time trying to convince people that the vaccines are bad? I assume it's because you're annoyed about mandates, which is fair enough. I wouldn't be very happy about a drug if it was forced upon me against my will. Thankfully, it is not an issue for me.

i didn't claim anything - you asked me how long they lasted and i posted an article and said "they last 12 days "

and you're still talking about that 17 pages later


cases went down somewhere and you want me to explain it still

 

[Foreigner]

Governments around the world have lied and corporations have lied. This is unfortunately to be expected considering the scope of the vaccine rollout. It doesn't prove conspiracy or indicate the existence of so-far undiscovered (but still, somehow, very specific?) evidence.

I do not believe the world is co-ordinated enough for every country in the world to successfully conspire together in the way that some of you are suggesting. You are giving the government too much credit. I also don't believe that every government is co-incidentally involved in the same conspiracy as each other without co-ordination.

Going to post one more thing and then I'll take a break. The sun is coming up. I need to go have a joint before the whole street wakes up and all the ambient sounds fuck with my vibe.

Australia has 9 deaths according to the TGA. 612 were reported.

We've administered 36.6 million doses.

Most of the 612 people that reported deaths in x amount of days after being vaccinated were elderly (65+). A substantial portion of these deaths must be coincidence, but let's assume none of them are. At the very worst - including all the old folks that would have died that week anyway - it's 1 in 60,000 people.

Many countries are up to 1 in 500 people dead from the virus. So, even considering the worst case scenario, it could be 120 times worse.

Now, let's not assume there are no coincidental deaths and instead assume that the experts are not morons. Let's not assume conspiracy and say (just for the sake of it) that we believe there are 9 confirmed deaths. That is one in four million jabs resulting in death. It's not the fucking end of the world.

Vaccine injury and debility is way, way more common than vaccine related death, though. In the U.S., VAERS says ~25,000 deaths, but there are over 800,000 ADRs... which is more than all other vaccines ever created combined. Normally ~150 ADRs from a product generates a black box warning.

Consider that only 1% of ADRs have been reported. Many deaths have gone unreported too. There is a double standard happening. Covid19 deaths are over-reported, but vaccine deaths and injuries are under reported.

The system is corrupt from top to bottom. I can't speak to global conspiracies or whatever. I'm just talking about the facts of the ground level.

It's a leaky vaccine on top of it with breakthrough cases, and now evidence of anti-body dependent enhancement (ADE) among people who said no to further boosters. So those people are now more susceptible to SARS-CoV-2 than if they never got the vaccine because their own immune systems are primed to become hyperactive in the presence of the virus.

This is a shit show of epic proportions.

 

[birdup]

I don't think they are facts, but if they are they imply the existence of a global conspiracy. It is likely (I think) that adverse reactions are typically under-reported with vaccines if they are being unreported with COVID vaccines. The millions of people that work in the medical industry aren't all conspiring with government / big pharma. Do you have any evidence?

Why consider 1%? Show me the evidence.

You haven't accounted for the data not making sense. The US has 74% of all adverse reactions? Do the math on that.

 

[Las Veghost grower]

Vaccine injury and debility is way, way more common than vaccine related death, though. In the U.S., VAERS says ~25,000 deaths, but there are over 800,000 ADRs... which is more than all other vaccines ever created combined. Normally ~150 ADRs from a product generates a black box warning.

Consider that only 1% of ADRs have been reported. Many deaths have gone unreported too. There is a double standard happening. Covid19 deaths are over-reported, but vaccine deaths and injuries are under reported.

The system is corrupt from top to bottom. I can't speak to global conspiracies or whatever. I'm just talking about the facts of the ground level.

It's a leaky vaccine on top of it with breakthrough cases, and now evidence of anti-body dependent enhancement (ADE) among people who said no to further boosters. So those people are now more susceptible to SARS-CoV-2 than if they never got the vaccine because their own immune systems are primed to become hyperactive in the presence of the virus.

This is a shit show of epic proportions.

How many years do you think it will take for us to look back at this situation and see the whole big picture ? 5 10 years ?

 

[Foreigner]

How many years do you think it will take for us to look back at this situation and see the whole big picture ? 5 10 years ?

It depends how the optics of it are handled. The media will continue to outright lie, since they are owned by the same corporate conglomerate network as the pharmaceutical companies. I think now that children 5-11 are being vaccinated, the truth is going to come out. When you fuck with children, adults get angry. They won't be able to keep a lid on this forever.

I think this is setting the stage for future "plandemics". Covid19 will not be the first virus.

 

[Skorpio]

~25,000 deaths

Questionable

 

[Fire&Water]

Maybe it is not wise to be vaccinated. Sometimes fools are noble. Wisdom is overrated. Wise people often seem lonely. There is a sadness in knowing too much, I think.
Perhaps we are all fools.

Break the circle and stop the movement,
the wheel is thrown to the ground
Just remember it might start rolling and take you right back around

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

“The court’s action not only halts Biden from moving forward with his unlawful overreach, but it also commands the judicious review we sought. The president will not impose medical procedures on the American people without the checks and balances afforded by the Constitution,” added Louisiana Attorney General Jeff Landry, a Republican and one of the petitioners.


The Biden vaccine “mandate” has no basis in law and no basis in science. A steady stream of published scientific studies has long demonstrated that vaccines do not prevent the spread of covid. In fact, the latest “VE” rating — Vaccine Effectiveness — to come out of UK data shows the VE to be a negative number of minus 73 percent. This means people who take the vaccine have an increased risk of hospitalizations and deaths compared to those who avoid the vaccine.



@birdup

go ahead and click that highlighted link in that 2nd paragraph and it'll show you some more maths



Now listen here: we, the unvaccinated, are the control group, and they're trying to get rid of us so there's nothing left to compare the vaxxed group to


hospitals are still very full and it isn't because of covid anymore like they first tried to say - that's a fact

if you notice, that's not being said anymore

also - "pandemic of the unvaccinated" - notice how that's also not being said anymore

how come?

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

Not surprisingly, the same political party that once pushed slavery and the KKK — the Democrats — is once again pushing medical slavery and government ownership of your body.

All who value freedom must reject medical slavery and any so-called “authority” that claims ownership over your body. We reject slavery in all its forms, including medical slavery.

 

[Las Veghost grower]

Medical slavery, has a nice, and scary, ring to it…

 

[Skorpio]

“The court’s action not only halts Biden from moving forward with his unlawful overreach, but it also commands the judicious review we sought. The president will not impose medical procedures on the American people without the checks and balances afforded by the Constitution,” added Louisiana Attorney General Jeff Landry, a Republican and one of the petitioners.


The Biden vaccine “mandate” has no basis in law and no basis in science. A steady stream of published scientific studies has long demonstrated that vaccines do not prevent the spread of covid. In fact, the latest “VE” rating — Vaccine Effectiveness — to come out of UK data shows the VE to be a negative number of minus 73 percent. This means people who take the vaccine have an increased risk of hospitalizations and deaths compared to those who avoid the vaccine.



@birdup

go ahead and click that highlighted link in that 2nd paragraph and it'll show you some more maths



Now listen here: we, the unvaccinated, are the control group, and they're trying to get rid of us so there's nothing left to compare the vaxxed group to


hospitals are still very full and it isn't because of covid anymore like they first tried to say - that's a fact

if you notice, that's not being said anymore

also - "pandemic of the unvaccinated" - notice how that's also not being said anymore

how come?

That is really misleading.

The chart shown where they demonstrate vaccine effectiveness on the source you linked is citing data from the UK vaccine surveilence report (they do link the primary data).

The chart shows more people getting covid after vaccination and they make the conclusion that vaccines don't work.

I find this very dubious because the chart in the primary data demonstrates that people are much less likely to be hospitalized or die after being vaccinated.

Edit for clarity: table 5 on page 20. It has the same initial data as the chart used by the expose but also includes hospitalization and mortality data.

This data was not shown in the "vaccines don't work chart"

If anybody feels like skimming the primary data, it tells a much different story.

Argue about how vaccines go against your personal liberties until the cows come home. But, cherry picking statistics is pretty dishonest. There is enough confusion already in the world.

I reccomend people read primary data as much as possible, so that you don't get misled by those with ulterior motives performing shoddy analysis.

 

[Foreigner]

Questionable

Look at the VAERS data. Just google "VAERS covid19 summary" -- it's all there.

 

[birdup]

Argue about how vaccines go against your personal liberties until the cows come home. But, cherry picking statistics is pretty dishonest. There is enough confusion already in the world.

I reccomend people read primary data as much as possible, so that you don't get misled by those with ulterior motives performing shoddy analysis.

Yeah that's what I've been saying.

Look at the VAERS data. Just google "VAERS covid19 summary" -- it's all there.

I've explained to you a couple of times that there are numerous things seriously wrong with the data you are presenting.

Read this:

Here's some more maths for you guys, because I know everyone loves maths.

According to the TGA, there were 612 deaths following vaccine administrations in Australia. They concluded that 9 deaths were caused by the jabs.

Take 612 and divide it by 9. You get 68. Nice clean number.

Now take the reported American deaths - 8,068 (spooky huh?) - and then divide that number by 68 and we get 118 point something.

Now divide that number by 13 to account for the population difference.

What do you get?

The number nine.

Are you telling me this is just an extraordinary coincidence?

It accounts for the huge difference between America and the rest of the world.

 

[birdup]

you asked me how long they lasted and i posted an article and said "they last 12 days "

I didn't ask you how long they lasted.

You either didn't read the article you posted or you were just trolling by spamming the thread with intentional misinformation. The article said at 12+ days people who received the booster were eleven times less likely to be hospitalized and twenty times less likely to die (in comparison to those who had two jabs).

The reason I've mentioned it a couple of times since is because I did you the courtesy of reading what you posted and responding to it (as I usually do) and you haven't bothered to respond to my response yet. My assumption is you weren't trolling and you didn't read the article and now you are too proud to admit that what you posted doesn't support your argument because - frankly - that indicates you're not really engaging with the subject matter in an honest way.

If it was me, I would just say I was wrong.