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Conspiracies The Covid Narrative

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I will never, ever get vaccinated. Don't care about restaurants, clubs, or flying. Anything that requires proof of vaccination can go eat a dick. Because yeah...fuck 'em. (Anyway, you can get fake "vaccination passports" around here. If need be, I'll get one)
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I don't care about going to restaurants, I'll just forge a document so I can go to restaurants!
 
birdup said:
I don't care about going to restaurants, I'll just forge a document so I can go to restaurants!
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Globohomo trying to press this so hard using authoritarian measures when we know the jab doesn’t prevent transmission, death, severe infection, etc is enough to make folks to go to extreme measures. Imagine losing everything simply bc you don’t want to be in the phase three trials sone experimental concoction. Shots horrifying
 
birdup said:
@Mr. Krinkle

As we've tirelessly established, childrenshealthdefense.org is an unbiased and reasonable source of information... so I can't possibly argue with your latest copy/paste argument.
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That wasn't an argument

Just an interesting tidbit about the greatest global medical atrocity being committed as immune systems are erased throughout the globe, which as we are seeing, leaves all of the double plus vaxxed more susceptible to other common colds, flu, and other threats to the body - while it all gets covered up by the main stream media, which just so happens to be sponsored by pfizer
 
Mr. Krinkle said:
the main stream media
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Is your assumption that when news is not mainstream it is trustworthy because (especially if you're not making arguments, as you say) you appear to be working for independent news outlets... Are they paying you?
 
birdup said:
All good. You might be an anti-vaxxer. I don't even know your opinions because you're not one of the handful of obsessive lunatics around here that posts on an hourly basis... Calling people sociopaths is probably a bit much? But, then, it's just one of those things people say. Like the word literally. It doesn't literally mean literally. While I steadfastly disagree with jabbing kids, I'm going to assume you don't think people who are vaccinating their children are literal sociopaths?
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"They are mass murderers," LaGreca said. "How many drug dealers killed 500,000 people? The Sacklers killed 500,000 people, knowingly lying and pushing doctors to push this drug."
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This was a statement about the family behind just the most recent pharmaceutical industry scandal and settlement. Not just sociopaths, but mass murderers.

The entire pharmaceutical industry has quite the reputation for unethical behaviour -

List of largest pharmaceutical settlements - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org

So, no, I don't think it's hyperbole in the least to insist the industry is run by sociopaths. I think they have adequately proven that they fit the definition of sociopathy -

Antisocial personality disorder, sometimes called sociopathy, is a mental disorder in which a person consistently shows no regard for right and wrong and ignores the rights and feelings of others. People with antisocial personality disorder tend to antagonize, manipulate or treat others harshly or with callous indifference. They show no guilt or remorse for their behavior.
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This remains consistent with what I have been repeating here - our rights our being disregarded, and people who point out the risks have been antagonized (slandered as anti-vaxxers, censored as sources of "misinformation").

Worst of all, in spite of growing evidence that vaccines are ineffective in arresting the spread of COVID, public health officials continue to show "callous indifference" towards the lives that could be saved with effective treatment options (e.g. Invermectin) and not only continue to push vaccine mandates but even sanction doctors that attempt to treat their patients independent of "guidelines" enforced on them.
 
I said I hadn't made up my mind before because I didn't know your opinion. Now, I've heard more than enough to call you an anti-vaxxer without losing any sleep over it. I don't mean any offense. That is merely my perspective.

I've seen people quote the definition of sociopathy before and loosely connect it to things. It's a poor argument. You are clearly smart enough to know that.

Nobody is slandering you or censoring you here. Anti-vax isn't a slur. It's a factual description. If it becomes a slur socially, we need to replace it with a different term. That's how every slur starts... We could say "someone that doesn't like vaccines"?

The entire pharmaceutical industry has quite the reputation for unethical behaviour
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I agree and disagree with this. Yes there are countless examples of unethical behaviour in the pharmaceutical industry, but the same thing can be said for every industry on the planet. The difference between the textile industry and the pharmaceutical industry is life and death. I get that. The standard needs to be higher.

Having said all that, the entire industry isn't corrupt. That's like saying every priest is a paedophile. It just isn't true.

I absolutely do not believe that the vaccine rollout was fast tracked because of a conspiracy spearheaded by Big Pharma. I do believe there was some corruption along the way. That is to be expected.
 
birdup said:
Is your assumption that when news is not mainstream it is trustworthy because (especially if you're not making arguments, as you say) you appear to be working for independent news outlets... Are they paying you?
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i wish they were....they should pay me....but they don't have to because the MSM does a good job of it's own in sending people off to look for news that isn't state sponsored


and the only "anti-vaxxers" are the make believe anti-vaxxers that the pro-vaxx side wants you to believe in that are far right conspiracy theory trump loving hillbillies (true story)
 
I absolutely do not believe that the vaccine rollout was fast tracked because of a conspiracy spearheaded by Big Pharma. I do believe there was some corruption along the way. That is to be expected.
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What are you basing that opinion on?

I base my opinion on the fact that the pharmaceutical industry has spent the most money on political lobbying of all industries, and has been doing so for years -

www.opensecrets.org

Industries

Pharmaceuticals/Health Products topped the list of industries lobbied in a, with $5,453,098,382 total spent. See the top 20 industries.
www.opensecrets.org www.opensecrets.org

This observational study, which analyzed publicly available data on campaign contributions and lobbying in the US from 1999 to 2018, found that the pharmaceutical and health product industry spent $4.7 billion, an average of $233 million per year, on lobbying the US federal government; $414 million on contributions to presidential and congressional electoral candidates, national party committees, and outside spending groups; and $877 million on contributions to state candidates and committees. Contributions were targeted at senior legislators in Congress involved in drafting health care laws and state committees that opposed or supported key referenda on drug pricing and regulation.
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www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Lobbying Expenditures and Campaign Contributions by the Pharmaceutical and Health Product Industry in the United States, 1999-2018

How much money did the pharmaceutical and health product industry spend on lobbying and campaign contributions in the US from 1999 to 2018?This observational study, which analyzed publicly available data on campaign contributions and lobbying in the US ...
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If believe this is an industry that is committed to doing good for humanity, then perhaps you could explain why they need to spend hundreds of millions of dollars a year to subvert the democratic process and have us all coerced into taking their product?
 
birdup said:
@Mr. Krinkle

As we've tirelessly established, childrenshealthdefense.org is an unbiased and reasonable source of information... so I can't possibly argue with your latest copy/paste argument.



All good. You might be an anti-vaxxer. I don't even know your opinions because you're not one of the handful of obsessive lunatics around here that posts on an hourly basis... Calling people sociopaths is probably a bit much? But, then, it's just one of those things people say. Like the word literally. It doesn't literally mean literally. While I steadfastly disagree with jabbing kids, I'm going to assume you don't think people who are vaccinating their children are literal sociopaths?
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Wouldn’t case numbers eventually drop with natural immunity over time as more people get and beat covid with the lasting antibodies ? That’s why we see valleys and mountains in cases through the year ?
E: that’s not the quote I tryd to respond to, I liked the post I was referring too
 
JGrimez said:
I'm expecting an actual pandemic soon, the catalyst probably being the mass vaccination campaign
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Would it have anything to do with the interdimensional sentient parasites that have allegedly been inserted into the vaccines?
 
The Wizard of the Creek said:
I don’t understand why the US doesn’t recognize natural immunity when it is exponentially more protective than the vaccines. A vaccine on top of natural immunity is better, but people shouldn’t be fired if they have had covid and beat it and don’t think that they should take vaccines yet. Other countries recognize natural immunity, not the US though, and that’s costing people their jobs. Important first responder jobs. Makes no sense to me.
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Because that's a lot of customers that they'd miss out on....

and that alone, should be a red flag to the entire world
 
Las Veghost grower said:
Wouldn’t case numbers eventually drop with natural immunity over time as more people get and beat covid with the lasting antibodies ? That’s why we see valleys and mountains in cases through the year ?
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The case numbers in NSW are very low because we stayed in lockdown forever. It is a unique situation in that the explanation you provided (which is used elsewhere) cannot be used to explain it.

@thujone

You're going to have to connect the dots less abstractly between a conspiracy spearheaded by Big Pharma to the lobbying. I'm not going to assume there is a conspiracy. There was a sudden need for a product. Many independent companies across the world competed to produce the best product. Like I said, I'm sure there was some corruption/lies along the way but that doesn't mean any of this conspiratorial nonsense holds weight.
 
Just read that after an infection you can be immune for up to 5 years. I got no symptoms at all besides some loss of taste, so I guess the vaccine will be worse for me than the actual virii.
 
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