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Conspiracies The Covid Narrative

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i love when ppl say "well it's better than catching covid" when something goes sideways with the shots....well how do you know that?

or when they say "just think how much worse this covid infection would be if i didn't get the shots"....you don't know that either

hope you're feeling better today @TripSitterNZ and im sorry to hear you're dealing with side effects
 
@Mr. Krinkle

We're talking odds not clairvoyance. Best guess - based on the data - the vast majority of people are worse off getting the virus. Sure the vaccines have side effects, but the virus is much more likely to kill you and/or make you sick. That's all we're saying.

You're right. Nobody knows on an individual basis. It's like rolling a dice. You either bet with the odds or against them. Since their are mortal stakes here, I'm going to go with the odds.

If you want to bet against them, that's up to you.

I'm sorry you had a rough time with the vaccines, @TripSitterNZ.

Apologies if I came across as a dick before. I genuinely think you will be fine. People are more afraid of the virus than they should be and they're also more afraid of the vaccines than they should be.
 
i hear ya bird and i somewhat agree with you depending on the individual

you still gotta catch covid...so you have to factor that into the equation - whats the odds...and then what's the odds that it's severe enough to land you into the hospital....ive been saying that so im like a broken record at this point lol

you guys have such a low amount of cases down under that i'd feel even safer than here not getting the shots...but that's me so i dont wanna speak for anybody else


Colin Powell died from covid today....fully vaxxed they said....i wonder if he had just got his booster or what :shrug:
 
Xorkoth said:
Yeah I heard that he was fully vaxxed. Of course he was also 84 years old (or 86? One of the two).
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yea 84

and idk what to say about it other than im sorry to see him go....

did it not even work for him or was his immune system weakened by the shots? nobody knows....does anybody care to know?

:shrug:
 
Mr. Krinkle said:
yea 84

and idk what to say about it other than im sorry to see him go....

did it not even work for him or was his immune system weakened by the shots? nobody knows....does anybody care to know?

:shrug:
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I'd certainly like to know. Relevant data would be when was he vaccinated? Did he receive a booster? If so, when. And any underlying conditions. if I found out he was fine and then got the booster and then died right after that, that would say something to me. If he got fully vaccinated and was fine and then caught covid at some later point and died, then it shows that the vaccine didn't work in his case. We know that it doesn't always. We probably won't ever know what role the vaccine had in his death, whether it protected him or not. Obviously it didn't prevent him from dying from covid. We already know it doesn't always.
 
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Colin Powell, former secretary of state under President George W. Bush, is the latest high-profile example. He died Monday morning from COVID-19 complications despite being fully vaccinated. Powell, 84, had been battling a type of blood cancer that likely affected his body’s response to the coronavirus vaccine. His age may have played a role in his death, too.


It’s unknown if he had received a coronavirus booster shot."



so he had a blood cancer....ok then...
 
I don't think it's odd about cancer, all cancers are different and apparently quite complex. We have actually made tremendous strides in treating and curing cancer. Some forms of cancer have a very low mortality rate now, whereas all of them used to be basically be a death sentence. Some forms of cancer are still very difficult and poorly understood, like pancreatic cancer. I suspect that given more time, all cancers will be treatable and curable. But we're not there yet, especially for some forms of cancer. Seems like ones where you can operate and remove it are the easiest to get rid of. But bone and blood cancers are more insidious. We even sometimes still find new forms of cancer, and some are rare enough that there hasn't been a lot of opportunity for study yet, unlike some of the more common forms of cancer, most of which have a vastly improved prognosis than they used to.

Mr. Krinkle said:
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Colin Powell, former secretary of state under President George W. Bush, is the latest high-profile example. He died Monday morning from COVID-19 complications despite being fully vaccinated. Powell, 84, had been battling a type of blood cancer that likely affected his body’s response to the coronavirus vaccine. His age may have played a role in his death, too.


It’s unknown if he had received a coronavirus booster shot."



so he had a blood cancer....ok then...
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yeah okay I'll give it to you, the blood cancer probably should have been front and center there.
 
Las Veghost grower said:
Does anyone els find it odd that even will all the technological advances and decades of research cancer is still just too elusive to figure out ?
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Although I do think our health care system is designed around treatment rather than prevention, and our lifestyle (including terrible food choices and work-related stress and isolation) actually promotes disease, that doesn't mean there aren't people trying to cure cancer, or that doctors are trying to keep people sick. In fact when detected early, many forms of cancer can be effectively eliminated already, but this was not the case not all that long ago. Sadly there is no magic bullet with cancer, "take this pill and cancer is gone". Cancers are just a group of diseases, it's not like cancer is a single disease with a single mechanism. It is essentially a disorder where normal cells become changed to no longer operate as they should and instead produce more cancer cells. The reasons this happens are many. It's not so simple as an evil healthcare industry trying to keep everyone sick, it's not a solved problem because it's a complex problem that we don't fully understand.
 
The so-called "data" is a bit of a joke. For example, if you die in a car accident and it turns out that you test positive for COVID, they list it as a COVID death. That alone is a good reason not to trust "the data".

@TripSitterNZ I sincerely hope everything is ok w you. As a med person and having a spouse w a heart condition, I dont take those things lightly. There's really no reason to blow off anything w your heart except stupidity.
 
im still alive and kicking and now the doctors are gonna do tests now to see if i have mycdroatisis and what they means going foward for my long term health. Fuck these expertimental mRNA shots they should at least offer us alternatives here for at risk folk
 
I love my country more than I ever have.

We aren't more moral because we had the jab. We had no choice. They're ending lockdown for the vaccinated. Unvaccinated people get no freedoms until at least 2022.

I don't think it's unreasonable to expect 98% vax rates.

My government isn't like hippy parents. That's okay. Hippy parents suck.
 
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