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Kaleida said:
Methoxetamine was made illegal under the UN 1971 Convention on Psychotropic Substances register, which makes it illegal in most of the world, including India.
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Are you sure about this? Methoxetamine didn't exist in 1971.

I'm pretty sure it's still not a controlled substance in the United States. I'm aware it's banned in many countries though.
 
simstim said:
Are you sure about this? Methoxetamine didn't exist in 1971.

I'm pretty sure it's still not a controlled substance in the United States. I'm aware it's banned in many countries though.
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It was added to the register in 2016, after several countries had already individually banned it too.
 
simstim said:
Are you sure about this? Methoxetamine didn't exist in 1971.

I'm pretty sure it's still not a controlled substance in the United States. I'm aware it's banned in many countries though.
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definiteily illegal under the FAA, but to be the first one ever charged for it? i doubt it... unless you were making millions, which, i yhink you could with mxe tbh
 
Kaleida said:
It was added to the register in 2016, after several countries had already individually banned it too.
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Are you certain that it's illegal in India? Why would it be illegal there but not in the USA? The USA is a UN member isn't it?

India isn't specifically mentioned on the wiki article. Apparently it's illegal in three US states though.

Man I miss MXE. Better than K even. I could use an IV shot of MXE. I haven't holed in years.
 
telepathetic said:
definiteily illegal under the FAA, but to be the first one ever charged for it? i doubt it... unless you were making millions, which, i yhink you could with mxe tbh
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I don't want to tell this story as if it's definitely the truth, but it's the only explanation for this situation that I've ever heard through the grapevine from someone who seemed like they knew a thing or two.

Supposedly, the reason methoxetamine was so cheap when it was available was because the lab that was producing it managed to buy a shit ton of arylcyclohexylamine precursors from a more legal lab producing ketamine and similar substances that was having a going out of business sale with rock bottom prices, and they decided to use some of what they got to produce a huge amount of methoxetamine and sell it as cheaply as humanly possible while they could, probably because they knew it would make them insanely popular, especially considering the relative lack of dissociative choices at that time. In general, methoxetamine is actually supposed to cost a lot more to produce in large amounts than other still very popular dissociatives like 3-MeO-PCP, so it's unlikely that it would have been produced if something like this didn't happen, and even if it was, it most likely would have cost a lot more under any other circumstances. Combine that with how controlled it is and the much wider range of dissociative options these days, I think that's likely why the vendors who run these calculations don't end up deciding that it seems profitable. I have no doubt that you could find people to buy it, though.

simstim said:
Are you certain that it's illegal in India? Why would it be illegal there but not in the USA? The USA is a UN member isn't it?

India isn't specifically mentioned on the wiki article. Apparently it's illegal in three US states though.
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The US is not included under the UN 1971 Convention on Psychotropic Substances register. I'm afraid I don't know enough about UN politics to know why. India is included by way of being a part of that register.
 
Actually, it looks like I might be wrong and it may be illegal in the United States too.

Here's an old Reddit post on the subject:

Methoxetamine is one of a few substances which has been controlled under the UN 1971 Convention on Psychotropic Substances since its inception. It was made a schedule 2 drug in November 2016. It is a rare example of a drug being put into schedule II without having an existing medical use.
The countries where this ban applies to are: Afghanistan, Albania, Algeria, Andorra, Angola, Antigua and Barbuda, Argentina, Armenia, Australia, Austria, Azerbaijan, Bahamas, Bahrain, Bangladesh, Barbados, Belarus, Belgium, Belize, Benin, Bhutan, Bolivia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Botswana, Brazil, Brunei, Bulgaria, Burkina Faso, Burundi, Cambodia, Cameroon, Canada, Cape Verde, Central African Republic, Chad, Chile, China, Colombia, Comoros, Costa Rica, Croatia, Cuba, Cyprus, Czech Republic, Democratic Republic of the Congo, Denmark, Djibouti, Dominica, Dominican Republic, East Timor, Ecuador, Egypt, El Salvador, Equatorial Guinea, Eritrea, Estonia, Ethiopia, Fiji, Finland, France, Gabon, Gambia, Georgia, Germany, Ghana, Greece, Grenada, Guatemala, Guinea, Guinea-Bissau, Guyana, Haiti, Honduras, Hungary, Iceland, India, Indonesia, Iran, Iraq, Ireland, Israel, Italy, Ivory Coast, Jamaica, Japan, Jordan, Kazakhstan, Kenya, Kiribati, Kuwait, Kyrgyzstan, Laos, Latvia, Lebanon, Lesotho, Liberia, Libya, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Macedonia, Madagascar, Malawi, Malaysia, Maldives, Mali, Malta, Marshall Islands, Mauritania, Mauritius, Mexico, Micronesia, Moldova, Monaco, Mongolia, Montenegro, Morocco, Mozambique, Myanmar, Namibia, Nauru, Nepal, Netherlands, New Zealand, Nicaragua, Niger, Nigeria, North Korea, Norway, Oman, Pakistan, Palau, Panama, Papua New Guinea, Paraguay, Peru, Philippines, Poland, Portugal, Qatar, Republic of the Congo, Romania, Russia, Rwanda, Saint Kitts and Nevis, Saint Lucia, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, Samoa, San Marino, São Tomé and Príncipe, Saudi Arabia, Senegal, Serbia, Seychelles, Sierra Leone, Singapore, Slovakia, Slovenia, Solomon Islands, Somalia, South Africa, South Korea, South Sudan, Spain, Sri Lanka, Sudan, Suriname, Swaziland, Sweden, Switzerland, Syria, Tajikistan, Tanzania, Thailand, Togo, Tonga, Trinidad and Tobago, Tunisia, Turkey, Turkmenistan, Tuvalu, Uganda, Ukraine, United Arab Emirates, United Kingdom, United States, Uruguay, Uzbekistan, Vanuatu, Venezuela, Vietnam, Yemen, Zambia, and Zimbabwe.
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The plot also thickens with the top comment:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty certain the UN banning a drug means absolutely nothing about its legality in the USA. The only thing it may mean is that that it can't be legally imported by US companies but I don't even know if that is true. The UN cannot place any legal restrictions on US citizens ( if someone has a source from US law that is to the contrary please let me know)
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Kaleida said:
Actually, it looks like I might be wrong and it may be illegal in the United States too.

Here's an old Reddit post on the subject:
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It's not federally scheduled, therefore uncontrolled. Just because it's on reddit doesn't make it true.
 
Even Wikipedia can be way wrong. The US Federal analogue act only applies to schedule I and schedule II drugs.

For instance the wiki article for a-PHIP says that it is illegal because it's an analogue of pyrovalerone. Pyrovalerone is schedule V and therefore analogues are not eligible for the federal analogue act.

Analogue act prosecution is pretty fucking unlikely anyway IME. Usually they drop that shit. Maybe not if you're running a business selling analogues and get caught, but small amounts are unlikely to be prosecuted unless someone gets injured as a result.
 
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simstim said:
You posted the correct answer yourself already by posting this comment.
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I'm not really sure what you're trying to get at, but to be clear, I entered this discussion under the impression that methoxetamine was not controlled in the US, and it still seems that way.
 
You can check the federally scheduled controlled substances in the United States easy enough and methoxetamine isn't one of them.
 
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Kaleida said:
I'm not disagreeing with that, but I never claimed otherwise.
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I apologize. I thought that you were claiming that it was illegal in the US. That reddit post that you posted seems to claim that. I thought that was the reason you posted it.
 
simstim said:
I apologize. I thought that you were claiming that it was illegal in the US. That reddit post that you posted seems to claim that. I thought that was the reason you posted it.
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It's all good. I was just posting that because I knew it had the list of countries on the UN thing and then I noticed that the US was on the list even though I thought it didn't apply there, which confused me. As I later linked the official UN documentation contains the US too, but people seem to be under the impression that it doesn't apply here in a meaningful way, which I can't confidently speak to.
 
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