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Conspiracies The Covid Narrative

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OpiateKiller said:
Actually false, scientific evidence shows that even those who have been vaccinated are capable of catching and spreading the virus, even if they are asymptomatic.

I never said otherwise.

You are not saving lives, you're being a sheep.

We're all sheep. We just have different shepherds. The anti-vax people are a herd just like the pro-vax people. You guys aren't thinking individually either.

AutoTripper said:
I reject the narrative that unvaxxed must get or have a moral duty to roll up, because we are irrational and danagerous superspreaders.

I think it's more selfish than irrational. AstraZeneca kills one in a million people. So there is a risk. It isn't imaginary. I'm not sure which part of the narrative you disagree with. It literally is dangerous. Many people made sacrifices throughout history so that you might exist one day. I don't think it's unreasonable to take a jab and do your part. I think it is the right thing to do. You're not really presenting a sensible counter-argument.

But - again - none of this applies to you because you have immunity from the virus.

I don't watch/read the MSM. I pretty much never have in my life. I get my information directly from the source. I look at data and the data is clear.

You get your information from intuition / deduction (Sherlock Holmes style) like with the chemtrails and the photo of those protestors just now.

The main difference between you and me is: I don't think everyone is out to get me.

In the short time I've known you, you have painted quite a bleak and sinister picture of the world. It doesn't seem like you have much faith in humanity.
 
In the short time I've known you, you have painted quite a bleak and sinister picture of the world. It doesn't seem like you have much faith in humanity.
Humanity is fucked. It was the plan always. Coming to fruition.

I am deadly, plainly real.

Put me in a daisy field with unicorns, fairies...

But this is WW3. Except it's a spiritual war. Covid is Nanotechnology.

The most advanced (non-bilological) pathogenic weaponry system unleasehed as a single scheduled attack ever.

Nano can mimick anything, it enslaves the mind and the senses, to varying degress between the populace.

I love Peter Tosh. Bob Marley. They stood for humanity. Freedom. Love. I don't love, give me a list...was gonna say, start with Fauci, but how did I forget my number one chum in the world, Satan's right hand man, Bill Gates? Guess I'm just so bored of that fella.
 
I don't think everyone is out to get me.
I most certainly don't think this ftr.

I'm just very aware, always have been, of the evil heirarchical global power structure and spiritual oppression of humanity in my lifetime.

This whole thing is so much more profoundly sliritual than ordinary people will go towards grasping, even considering, basically.

Evidence? Lol. This world doesn't produce evidence like that.

There is no known "data" for the ultimate bigger picture.

I am fighting, for humanity.

I appreciate your comments and politeness.
 
Out of all the vaccines I have taken in my life: Tetanus, small pox, polio etc., never before have I seen so much confusion over a vaccine that says I have to wear a mask, and socially distance even when fully vaccinated. Apparently I could still contract or spread the virus even when fully vaccinated. Never had to have a double shot, never been bribed by establishments to take the vaccine in order to win a car, cash, or other prizes. I never had to worry about cardiac issues and/or blood clots and sadly more, I didn’t have to worry about death. I was never judged if I didn’t take it. I was never discriminated against for travel or other regular services. The vaccines I have listed above never told me I was a bad person for not taking it, or taking it for that matter. I have never seen a vaccine that threatened the relationship between a family member or a close friend. Never seen it used for political gain and never seen it used to persuade children in favor of free ice cream or teenagers going into a night club. I have never seen a worry about a mix and matching and yet told it’s OK to do it one day and not the next and on and off again. I have never seen a vaccine threaten someone’s livelihood, job, school, etc. I have never seen a vaccine that allows a twelve year old’s consent to supersede his/her parent’s consent. So after all I have said, can someone tell me how I am a racist or conspiracy theorist. Non educated, non researched because I am not willing to take this vaccine. And the clinical trials will not be over for at least two years from now. Finally, after all the vaccines (shots) I listed above, I have never seen a vaccine like this one that discriminates, divides, and judges a society such as this one. So much information is censored, deleted and removed from the internet. So many doctors, scientists, are censored and forbidden to speak out or ask legitimate questions when what is being allowed or not allowed does not make sense. This sure is one powerful vaccine. IT does all of these things that I have mentioned and yet? It doesn’t do what all the other vaccines that I have mentioned earlier were designed to do. That is to fight off “COVID”, a virus with a natural recovery rate of 99% thanks to our miraculous immune system!

- Unknown -

I had never experienced anything like 2020 prior to it happening. I don't think hardly anyone had, as the last pandemic occurred around a century ago. So it would make sense that there would be lots of "never have I's" associated with it IMO

Plus there's a lot of ugliness just associated with the current political moment I think, everything becomes politicized including vaccines. It's dumb and depressing because vaccines were always something I thought humans could look upon as an achievement of the species, and many of the individuals who worked on developing them like Jonas Salk etc. were admirable folks who just wanted to help people. According to the unrealistically cynical attitude of today, such people basically don't exist and everyone is just out to prey on you, you're just a mark for someone, either for money or power or some weird esoteric reason. If you truly believe that then you might as well just hunker down and view just about everyone with deep suspicion...I prefer to believe that there are still good people out there

Gates definitely isn't one of them, though...wasn't the Oxford vaccine going to be patent-free until he convinced them to hand it over to AstraZeneca instead?

Some of the pro-vaccine people do go overboard with some of their "carrot and stick" measures to get people to get vaccinated, or even some of their rhetoric about such folks...but, on the other hand, I definitely do understand the frustration, on some level. If you've already recovered from covid then fine, you do you, but with a lot of people it just reminds me of a child crossing their arms and saying "NO!" just to piss off some authority figure who they resent, in this case "THE ESTABLISHMENT", the government and the healthcare/pharmaceutical industry and all the eggheads at the CDC, etc. It's like yeah, are those flawed institutions, do such people sometimes lie, is money a big factor in, well, everything? YES. Are they evil people who hate and actively want to poison you? NO.

But what's the point, people are gonna believe whatever they want to believe. My mother, for example, feels that all the anti-vax people are selfish morons, and I have have many pointless arguments with her where I've tried to make the point that concepts like freedom or liberty or what-have-you are actually important, and that I understand the anti-vaxxer's distrust of public and private institutions, to a certain extent. But then you'll look at some of the anti-vax side's arguments and it's like the dumbest shit you've ever read in your entire life. I thought that this pandemic, albeit painful, might've been what it took to bring this divided country together but instead it just seems to have made it more divided and more stoopid
 
It's dumb and depressing because vaccines were always something I thought humans could look upon as an achievement of the species, and many of the individuals who worked on developing them like Jonas Salk etc. were admirable folks who just wanted to help people.
That is exactly how I still feel if we peel away some of the need to vent hostilities. It has gotten to the point where some people point to the vaccine, government, etc. as the source of all their self created misery. A vaccine is a vaccine. It can be good science. Making it the boogie man has become real silly. I know i have said it and it becomes just a thing that gets said over and over but my belief is the vaccine is a good faith effort to help mankind. And as we see a lot of this story has to do with what you believe. No one wants to feel stupid, but I can say it is better to walk around and find things you believe in than walk around and find things that you distrust. It is a vibe shift. So I DO believe there are good people out there with a conscience. Most of us have a conscience.

The cat and stick measures to get people vaccinated annoy me too. People pounding their fists on definitives about a microscopic virus is silly. We learn as we go.

I agree with about all of what you typed B-offerings.
 
Crazily, this is still a beauty of the world we live in.

We don't all "have" to agree lol.

Kind of tricky to actually properly enforce too IMO. That's the ONLY real reason, it isn't enforced.

They are still drawing up the bill for parliament.
 
Its nice to read these last 20 or so posts, we all have reasons for our disagreements with the path our society is forcing us down, its good to see some are beginning to understand.

I dont believe 99% of the garbage being spouted by anti-vaxers. Bill gates however has a history ive been involved in since 1978 and nothing he has promoted has ever had more benefit to anyone except him. He would sell tickets to his grandmother's funeral and get lawmakers to enforce attendance. I was well established in the computer industry when Bill hijacked his first software written by others and promoted it without the rights and just made so much he paid off the lawsuits. None of the things you consider his genius were ever done by him. He took the work of others (like he is doing with vaccines) hopped on board like he owned it and skyrocketed its popularity, only to be the only one with no effort, no responsibility and all the money.

But im not saying the vaccine is wrong because of bill, just i wont ever jump on board because his career has been made of nothing he does or even knkws or understands. He cannot write the code he sold as Microsoft, he never could, he's a salesman and he is just selling for himself.

I've had this virus so i wont get vaccinated, im glad i had it vs even having to think about it. My father died to covid at 94 but he was dying since 92 so hes one of the many who shouldnt really count as killed by covid because a bad cold would have been enough. My father was on blood thinners so even a vaccine that seems to make blood clots happen wouldnt have helped.

In my view, this is a shit show of lies and misinformation. So i only have my own tiny view of the world to work with as media is a gong show, governments have been a gong show for my entire life and bill gates the poster child is someone i have watched lie to humanity on a global scale for my entire life. Thank god i had the natural virus and i dont need to drink the koolaid made by these three untrustworthy bed partners.
 
Its nice to read these last 20 or so posts, we all have reasons for our disagreements with the path our society is forcing us down, its good to see some are beginning to understand.

I dont believe 99% of the garbage being spouted by anti-vaxers. Bill gates however has a history ive been involved in since 1978 and nothing he has promoted has ever had more benefit to anyone except him. He would sell tickets to his grandmother's funeral and get lawmakers to enforce attendance. I was well established in the computer industry when Bill hijacked his first software written by others and promoted it without the rights and just made so much he paid off the lawsuits. None of the things you consider his genius were ever done by him. He took the work of others (like he is doing with vaccines) hopped on board like he owned it and skyrocketed its popularity, only to be the only one with no effort, no responsibility and all the money.

But im not saying the vaccine is wrong because of bill, just i wont ever jump on board because his career has been made of nothing he does or even knkws or understands. He cannot write the code he sold as Microsoft, he never could, he's a salesman and he is just selling for himself.

I've had this virus so i wont get vaccinated, im glad i had it vs even having to think about it. My father died to covid at 94 but he was dying since 92 so hes one of the many who shouldnt really count as killed by covid because a bad cold would have been enough. My father was on blood thinners so even a vaccine that seems to make blood clots happen wouldnt have helped.

In my view, this is a shit show of lies and misinformation. So i only have my own tiny view of the world to work with as media is a gong show, governments have been a gong show for my entire life and bill gates the poster child is someone i have watched lie to humanity on a global scale for my entire life. Thank god i had the natural virus and i dont need to drink the koolaid made by these three untrustworthy bed partners.
I'm not really up to speed with Gates and the vaccine. What has he done?
 
I'm not really up to speed with Gates and the vaccine. What has he done?
Simply sold "his" soul way back can't even remember, some guy called Beelzebub is it spelt?

Fine. But he's trying to sell all of our souls.

I mean this seriously and literally, financially, collaterally, Spiritually! In every way.

This is how I see it.

Pretty big "Crimes against humanity" to me.

It takes the phrase to a new level. The contractual one.
 
It’s not Bill Gates we have to worry about, it’s Dolly Parton. She directly funded the Moderna vaccine. She has to be the most shady person that has ever lived. For Christ sakes, she has her own amusement park in Pigeon Forge where she has commissioned literal death traps. This, all while the park uses psychological warfare playing country music around the clock there. She’s a dangerous woman.
Dolly Parton funded the Moderna vaccine?
Simply sold "his" soul way back can't even remember, some guy called Beelzebub is it spelt?

Fine. But he's trying to sell all of our souls.

I mean this seriously and literally, financially, collaterally, Spiritually! In every way.

This is how I see it.

Pretty big "Crimes against humanity" to me.

It takes the phrase to a new level. The contractual one.
But what has he done that is connected to COVID? Besides doing what every business man or women does, "selling" their souls.
 
She sure did.
Article on Dolly's handouts (don't know how valid CNN is as a source) that claims she didn't know she was investing in the vaccine:

"The diminutive diva's $1 million donation to Covid-19 research was partly used to fund Moderna's promising Covid-19 vaccine -- something she didn't even know until her name appeared among other sponsors in a preliminary report on the vaccine."


Whatcha make of that`?
 
I'm not really up to speed with Gates and the vaccine. What has he done?

"The government’s own data shows us this is what’s happening. The CDC’s reporting system is showing, what?…around 13,000 deaths so far in the U.S. and over half a million adverse events. Well, we all know the reporting system is a sham.
“We know that VAERS [Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System] captures only around one percent of what’s going on. So we’re talking over a million deaths from these Covid vaccines, and more than 60 million people with bad side effects.”


He has openly stated he believes in depopulation, he has direct ties to the Wuhan Lab in China where the virus leaked, and all of this is confirmed.

Bill Gates and Fauci are in bed with each other.






Bill Gates owns the World Health Organization. He runs the CDC guidelines, what he says goes.

The Elite are simply using vaccines as a means to kill off the world population.

Read the bible, it all makes sense.

The Mark of the Beast was this pandemic.
 
He has commissioned the world’s first and only hydrogen powered 500 million dollar super yacht. That’s some supervillain shit right there. He’s a bad man.

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The amazing Titanic went down remember, before the last all aboard call.

What now seriously, in nutshells, is the "use" of a Sinking Ship?
 
Gates is just an example anyway.

The best. Lol Tina Turner "Simply the best."

He chose to be poster boy.
 
"The government’s own data shows us this is what’s happening. The CDC’s reporting system is showing, what?…around 13,000 deaths so far in the U.S. and over half a million adverse events. Well, we all know the reporting system is a sham.
“We know that VAERS [Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System] captures only around one percent of what’s going on. So we’re talking over a million deaths from these Covid vaccines, and more than 60 million people with bad side effects.”


He has openly stated he believes in depopulation, he has direct ties to the Wuhan Lab in China where the virus leaked, and all of this is confirmed.
Do you have any links regarding his ties to the lab? Seeing as it is known and confirmed, it would be fun to read.
Bill Gates and Fauci are in bed with each other.
There seems to be varying opinions on that:

Bill Gates owns the World Health Organization. He runs the CDC guidelines, what he says goes.
How can you own WHO? And run the CDC guidelines? That's madness. Sources?
The Elite are simply using vaccines as a means to kill off the world population.
Okay. Any source?
Read the bible, it all makes sense.

The Mark of the Beast was this pandemic.
I read the Bible this winter actually. I saw nothing that seemed to indicate that it was anything but a beautifully written book of fiction.
 
"The government’s own data shows us this is what’s happening. The CDC’s reporting system is showing, what?…around 13,000 deaths so far in the U.S. and over half a million adverse events. Well, we all know the reporting system is a sham.
“We know that VAERS [Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System] captures only around one percent of what’s going on. So we’re talking over a million deaths from these Covid vaccines, and more than 60 million people with bad side effects.”

There is absolutely no way there have been over a million vaccine deaths and 60 million adverse events. That would be one in 6 Americans having an adverse event from the vaccine and one in 360 dying. I know probably 100 people who have been vaccinated and no one has had a serious adverse event. A few felt sick for a couple of days.

If a million people had died you'd be hearing about it through friends and acquaintances and co-workers, never mind local news/etc. If 1 in 6 people had a serious adverse event it would be literally impossible for that to not be all over the place right now.

I do have 2 family members who died from covid (not old people), which is a first for me for communicable diseases. In all the flu seasons in my whole life, never had one before. Among my friends there have been a few more dead in their families, too. I don't know anyone or know of anyone personally who has had anything but mild sickness from the vaccine, if anything. I didn't feel any side effects whatsoever. I know they exist, and in not insignificant numbers, but what I've seen suggests that either my experience has been a statistic anomaly, or you've fallen prey to fearmongering, which is ironic since falling victim to fearmongers is what I have often been told by people against this vaccine.

It's a valid concern you mentioned about not knowing possible long-term ramifications of the vaccine, but this particular post seems full of hysteria.
 
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