Xorkoth
Bluelight Crew
The stuff about sueing for thinking about an abortion is straight up Orwellian if it's true, I haven't ever heard that anywhere else though, so I'd like to see where that information is coming from.
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Jabberwocky
Frumious Bandersnatch
I'm just speaking about what they're talking about on NPR radio, which definitely leans liberal but known to be reliable. They've been talking about it repeatedly for many days now. There are also protests on Reddit and other social media. It's a real law that just passed, this isn't fake news.
Yes, the new Texas abortion law allows civilians to sue other civilians for "damages" if they simply intend to get an abortion. Like how someone could get in legal trouble if they intended to murder someone. Any citizen of Texas can sue any woman simply on the grounds of suspicion of them intending to get an abortion.
I'm not twisting any facts here. This is all based on religion as well, which has no place in our legal system. It's ridiculous on many levels and indeed Orwellian.
Jabberwocky
Frumious Bandersnatch
@Xorkoth also in response to the criticism, since RAPE and INCEST VICTIMS can no longer legally be able to get an abortion after 6 weeks, the Texas gov. Abbot said he will "eliminate rape, rape will no longer happen in Texas because they will arrest all the rapists" - I paraphrase...
yes, the Texas Govenor said he was going to eliminate rape from Texas so that it will never happen again...... you might as well say you're going to stop future murders... this is all tragically comical and fucked up
like seriously saying you're going to "stop all rape" is somehow even more fucking stupid than the "just say no" drug campaign
yes, the Texas Govenor said he was going to eliminate rape from Texas so that it will never happen again...... you might as well say you're going to stop future murders... this is all tragically comical and fucked up
like seriously saying you're going to "stop all rape" is somehow even more fucking stupid than the "just say no" drug campaign
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Jabberwocky
Frumious Bandersnatch
this is surreal
seriously
Xorkoth
Bluelight Crew
Wow, that's absurd. Looks like we might be looking at the new Salem witch trials.
I looked it up and it's true. Although it states that you can sue someone for intending to help facilitate an abortion so I assumed it was intended to be against doctors/abortion providers, but that could also be interpreted as being against someone who intends to facilitate an abortion on themselves.
Apparently you can also sue a school in Texas if a transgender person uses a bathroom with you, and athletes if a transgender person plays on their sports team.
I looked it up and it's true. Although it states that you can sue someone for intending to help facilitate an abortion so I assumed it was intended to be against doctors/abortion providers, but that could also be interpreted as being against someone who intends to facilitate an abortion on themselves.
Apparently you can also sue a school in Texas if a transgender person uses a bathroom with you, and athletes if a transgender person plays on their sports team.
Las Veghost grower
Bluelighter
Wow, yea that is fucked up and brings new meaning to the term “slippery slope”
Jabberwocky
Frumious Bandersnatch
I was born in Texas and then lived there for 5 years as an adult. I feel like it's fair for me to comment on it.
I begrudgingly love parts of Texas. It's like the ultimate expression of America. I loved living there for the most part. Texas is like America²
However Texas is drunk on patriotism and nationalism and many of it's own citizens are so blind politically they would do anything their state politicians would tell them to do.
It's really a unique place to live tbh. It's like US within the US... Texans are way more proud of their own state than anywhere in the US and it's very visible and obvious. If you've ever been to Texas... you'd notice that almost every single house in that state has a single star ornament or whatever on their house (the state flag symbol). Almost everyone in Texas drank the kool aid :/
I begrudgingly love parts of Texas. It's like the ultimate expression of America. I loved living there for the most part. Texas is like America²
However Texas is drunk on patriotism and nationalism and many of it's own citizens are so blind politically they would do anything their state politicians would tell them to do.
It's really a unique place to live tbh. It's like US within the US... Texans are way more proud of their own state than anywhere in the US and it's very visible and obvious. If you've ever been to Texas... you'd notice that almost every single house in that state has a single star ornament or whatever on their house (the state flag symbol). Almost everyone in Texas drank the kool aid :/
TheLoveBandit
Retired Never Was, Coulda been wannabe
From what I understand, from hearing right lean media, Trump's deal was abandoned as Taliban weren't doing their part. What expectations did they fail to meet, I have no idea, but I'm not doubting they didn't do something. Seems like a Taliban thing to do.
Still, focusing on Presidents, we have had Bush 2, Obama, Trump, and now Biden say they were pullling out of Afghanistan. Bush didn't do it. Neither did Obama, despite ramping troops up and down over 8y. Trump didn't do it. Why? Especially Trump didn't do it, despite giving a 14mo time frame (plenty of time to get folks out safely and establish what, if any, footprint to leave behind for counter-terrorism)....Why? I don't have answers, and will take this over to the appropriate thread.
However, Biden did it. And did it perhaps in the most horrific and ill conceived way. That the previous 3 Presidents didn't fulfill that pledge tells me there are reasons - big ones that don't care about party affiliation - which held us off from pulling out. Instead, we have Biden totallly screwing the pooch here, costing tens of thousands of lives, because why exactly?
Sorry. The topic is a sore one for me. I'll go to the appropriate thread. But the meme, while true about Trump madking a deal that wasn't fulfilled, misses several key points. 1) Taliban didn't fufill their part. 2) Biden isn't bound to anything Trump did, and has proven so in reversing nearly every Trump action upon taking office. Biden owns this. All of it.
Jabberwocky
Frumious Bandersnatch
I'm really uninformed on the matter. My opinion on it has changed over the weeks. I had a knee jerk reaction to the immediate point at Biden for it all by the right tbh.
My opinion now, for what it's worth, is that the whole situation has been a piece of shit rolling downhill for 20 years gathering mass. Every president watches it roll by. Obama should have ended it. Trump should have ended it. I think it's easy to blame republicans for the entire war, since they technically started it in a sense, but I think that's really missing the point into what it evolved into and became.
Should Biden have done it different? Abso-fucking-lutely. However I'm also a bit happy with his choice in some fashion, well maybe not his choice, but his resolve on the matter. Somebody eventually needed to take the heat for ending the infinite war. Better sooner than later IMO.
While the Afghan military/gov actions should not be considered a scapegoat for reasoning, they really did have a role to play in the severity of the situation. We really did try to make them self sufficient (ignoring the morality/ethics of why we were there). The stats are kinda crazy... like 90% of the Afghan military that we trained actively gets high on hash and opium, never works out or maintains discipline, or anything like that. They kinda let us down in that sense. They really didn't hold up their end of the bargain (that we created). Not trying to point blame anywhere, it's complicated, but it was definitely a factor.
What's confusing to me is the patriot act which democrats keep extending for some reason... that creeps me out.
TheLoveBandit
Retired Never Was, Coulda been wannabe
The vax is not a simple personal choice, it's a public health issue and your choice effects everyone around you. Covid is not cancer. Cancer is a personal issue. Covid is a public health issue.
The Texas abortion law is based on religion and is absolutely unconstitutional in it's current form. They used basically a legal loophole to get it through (delay strategy). It will be struck down soon.
It also makes it illegal to even THINK about getting an abortion... Thought crimes... Bullshit. Basically if both of us lived in Texas, even if I've never met you, I can SUE you if I don't like what you're thinking about.people can literally just sue who they don't like and make up some shit like "I know they were THINKING about getting an abortion."........ you telling me that's OK or constitutional? To sue someone based on what they were THINKING but haven't done? It's ridiculous!
This law allows Karens to sue random other women for minimum of $10,000 simply because that Karen believes (but does not have proof) that another woman is thinking about getting abortion... not that they've done it, but that they were thinking about doing it... Seriously. That's the law....
The video clip has the TX Gov say they will remove rapists, not rape. The video clip shows Psaki making that leap to eliminating rape. I'd agree, it isn't something you can eliminate - you can only deter, and punish afterwards. I haven't seen or heard it, and both you and Xork indicate TX law is written, or at least can be interpreted, as using 'intent' for grounds for lawsuits, I'll take you both at your word on that count.
I get a lot of the views on this subject. The left argues 'my body, my choice' on abortion, and you have laws like this preventing abortion which you assert are founded on religous grounds by the right. I'd agree that is there motivation, but the law resides on 'science' where we cannot agree on when life begins, and abortion becomes murder of someone unable to speak for themselves. The instances of rape, incest, and other unwanted pregnancies exist, and are terrible, they are a misdirection to the few as opposed to the majority of abortions.
I get the right pushing back about 'my body my choice' should extend to vaxxing. I get it, but believe it is misplaced. The right is strong on personal choice, and accountability. With abortion, it is viewed as not allowing an unborn child their voice, their choice. So while the left believes it is the mother's choice on her personal health, the right is trying to protect the child. Again, we stop at where we draw the line for 'life'. For vaccinations, it isn't just about personal choice, as spreading the disease affects others, and contracting COVID and taking medical resources when it could have been avoided...and instead may take those beds, those resources from others who need it....vaxxing isn't about personal choice by the left's view. And yet, from the right view it is MY body to choose to vaxx or not, just like flu shots or anything else I choose to take or not take for MY health. Here's the kicker, IMO, while the left shouts that ALL must be vaxxed, it is a societal need over an individual choice.....vaccinated folks continue to get sick, to spread COVID variants, and to use hospital resources and possibly die. Vaccinating reduces how bad an individual feels the affect of the virus, but it does not solve the problem. Like a flu virus, my getting a shot direclty affects me and how sick I may get....but it isn't changing the spread.
I'd support this. I've been in many states, and while several have varying degrees of state pride (FL has so many snowbirds and retirees, it is a moot point)...I've never seen it stronger than in Texas. However, on the 'star on the house' thing, there is a ton of them on houses here in PA. I'm still trying to figure out why, what is the significance? But I would wager our % of houses brandishing a star on the side is second only to TX.
Jabberwocky
Frumious Bandersnatch
interesting, I did not know this
Barnstar - Wikipedia
seems to be the same symbol but with a totally unique origin/meaning
I've never seen this star outside of Texas, but I've only driven through PA never visited
True, but at a vastly lower occurrence and rate, below 1:9. I don't feel like the fact that the vaccine isn't perfect should be used as a reasoning not to comply with mandates. No vaccine has ever been perfect. Some vaccines in the past actually induced the disease on you, like polio. Vaccines in the past were less efficacious. Despite that, look how well we did with polio, it's virtually extinct.
Imagine if the covid vaccine gave covid to some people in rare circumstances? Oh boy.
I don't know. I'm tired of debating covid tbh, it's old (not with you, just in a general sense).
I feel like this all ultimately boils down to this weird concept of "freedom" which people translate in different ways.
Jabberwocky
Frumious Bandersnatch
turns out it's not a miracle drug and does nothing against covid
the facebook doctors were wrong, surprisingly.
it'll be the same for ivermectin in a month or so it will just suddenly fade into obscurity and nobody will admit they were wrong
TheLoveBandit
Retired Never Was, Coulda been wannabe
interesting, I did not know this
seems to be the same symbol but with a totally unique origin/meaningBarnstar - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
I've never seen this star outside of Texas, but I've only driven through PA never visited
Learned something new (which has been bugging me, tbh). Thanks!
Las Veghost grower
Bluelighter
Someone should start a band called Rage for the machine, would go platinum in a day
w01fg4ng
Bluelighter
They get triggered if you don't call them by their preferred noun, "Alternative Researchers."
Jabberwocky
Frumious Bandersnatch
Words of wisdom from a true American hero
so true
I feel like America is a place where people realize there is massive dysfunction but their anger and energy is always deflected away from where it is needed for change (usually the voting booth or some law being passed politicians don't want people to know about).
Las Veghost grower
Bluelighter
I’m sorry this is classic snowflake mentality, the owner of said property took out the loan for that and then YOU agreed to pay rent, regusrdless of the landlords situation you agreed to pay the rent, what the landlords does with the money is none of your business, if it’s so simple then you take out a loan and buy a house
Xorkoth
Bluelight Crew
Yeah it is a gross oversimplification the idea some people have that business owners and landlords are all automatically oppressing people or being immoral.
Las Veghost grower
Bluelighter
Yea, most of them are just people, like you n me, who either scraped and saved to buy a house/business to make a profit and not have to work for someone els, really these are people you should respect and dare I say look up to, instead these snowflakes don’t know their ass from a whole in the ground and have no clue what hard work is and just want everything given to them, why ? Cause they deserve it ? Get the fuck outa here with that shit
