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Opioids does anyone else think opiates have other health benefits besides just pain relief

The UltimateFixx said:
Yep thanks for pointing this out.
Their original prescription was an an anti-tussive (suppressing the cough reflex), an anti - diarrhea, as well as an anti - depressive medication
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I’m in australia ,
The UltimateFixx said:
Oh lemme specify here, because I actually agree.

.. I think MOST people who get into a bad habit do it to compensate for something; but not all.

Thing is however : if you've got everything material going for you, nice house, no financial worries, nice family etc etc

... And you STILL feel you need to drink 2 bottles of wine every night or rail 5 lines of coke to feel good within yourself, in other words you believe it provides you something absolutely essential that you cannot do without, .... then OBVIOUSLY while your life might be the envy of anyone else, it's clearly lacking SOMETHING for you.
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Hah yeah that’s fair enough call dude
 
The UltimateFixx said:
Yep thanks for pointing this out.
Their original prescription was an an anti-tussive (suppressing the cough reflex), an anti - diarrhea, as well as an anti - depressive medication
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Yep ,I’m in Australia and I think it sucks they pulled all the codeine tablets from the pharmacy over the counter and took all codeine out of cough medicine so you have to go to a dr and it’s like pulling teeth for a normal person to get a prescription for something which is really helpful .
 
Jay123$ said:
Totally right about diarrhoea and coughing , which one not that many people know . I had whooping cough , and it was fucking terrible and opiates stop you coughing straight up . Couldn’t sleep with out them very useful .
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Damn, sorry to hear that. Did you not get vaccinated? I would have thought they'd do that in any First World country? I live in the UK and it's one of those things infants are automatically given it (at 2, 4 or 6 months as part of a 6-in-1 vaccination).


It's not the same or as serious, but I once had intractable hiccups that lasted 4 days. I got no sleep and it was driving me crazy. Couldn't eat or drink properly and ended up in hospital for dehydration. They gave me 25mg Chlorpromazine and it worked like a miracle. The relief is IMMENSE in these situations, isn't it?
 
The UltimateFixx said:
Oh lemme specify here, because I actually agree.

.. I think MOST people who get into a bad habit do it to compensate for something; but not all.

Thing is however : if you've got everything material going for you, nice house, no financial worries, nice family etc etc

... And you STILL feel you need to drink 2 bottles of wine every night or rail 5 lines of coke to feel good within yourself, in other words you believe it provides you something absolutely essential that you cannot do without and that nothing else can give you .... then OBVIOUSLY while your life might be the envy of anyone else, it's clearly lacking something for YOU.
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For me, I had (among a myriad of other thing) social anxiety. I didn't drink (also had an eating disorder, alcohol is high calorie) but everyone - friends, parents, etc - told me to have a couple drinks before going out (ie going out drinking, I was 17). I was completely isolated at the time but had just started taking Sertraline (Zoloft) and was starting to perk up a little so my brother invited me to go for a BBQ/drinks at the beach with him and his friends (he's only one year younger) so I agreed.
Pretty much every day we'd go out drinking and even if we didn't I discovered alcohol was an excellent remedy for my insomnia as well as my anxiety and I went from drinking half a pint of vodka every night, to a pint of vodka every night, to two points of vodka every night. Eventually (maybe after a year or so had passed from when I first started drinking) I'd wake up drenched in sweat, trembling and vomiting so I'd immediately drink. I was isolated again (BADLY embarrassed myself and my friends over and over until I lost them all) and was actually very happy just watching TV and movies, being online and I'd drink 'til I passed out, wake up and start over.
Then one day I only had one bottle of wine when I woke up. My dad said he'd pick me up a few more bottles of wine and vodka after work, about 12 hours later (I was drinking two pints of vodka, two bottles of wine and 4-8 cans of cider daily at the time). I was NOT happy, but thought nothing of it. Then - about 20 minutes before he gets home - BAM - acute grand mal seizure and I come to with a chunk bitten out of my tongue. My dad arrived about the same time I became compos mentis (after a seizure, you're incredibly confused and disoriented for a while) and took me to hospital. It was a 2 hour wait and just as the Nurse calls my name, I get up to walk to her and - BAM - another grand mal seizure - this one was much worse. It lasted for 6 minutes and they eventually had to put me into a Phenobarbital coma before I died (they'd already given me 2.5mg Lorazepam and 5mg Diazepam to no effect). I broke 6 ribs, dislocated a shoulder, fractured my wrist in two places and cracked open my orbital socket during the seizure. I have two prolapsed discs (one moderate-severe, one severe) that I still need pain meds for and that are slowly getting worse, and I have mild-moderate brain damage due to hypoxia.

I forgot where I was going with that, but yeah, I guess you're right and I was compensating for my anxiety/depression/BPD..
 
The UltimateFixx said:
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The one anti - depressant that ever worked for me individually was Amitryptiline. Thing was, it gave me the exact same unwanted side - effects as do opiates - ie killed my libido and made me constipated.
WITHOUT the pay - back of making me feel good. It just made me feel NOT BAD.

.. While with opiates I gotta deal with the same side - effects but in exchange I actually feel GOOD instead of simply 'not like I need to put an end to myself RIGHT NOW'.
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Same! It's funny cause opiates kill my sex drive, but when I have a good buzz going, I'll actually get huge random erections (even if I'm not actively thinking about sex), where as with stimulants, my sex drive increases but have a hard time getting it up due to vasoconstriction. lol

At least with opiates/opioids there is an instant reward for taking them.

Only antidepressants that some what helped me were Effexor and Wellbutrin. Oddly they were semi-helpful when I was younger. But trying these two again once I got older made me feel sick & strange all the time.

Buprenorphine seemed to be the best "anti-depressant" for me (next to heroin & tramadol) but after years of being on it and it's annoying partial agonism making dose escalations useless, it has lost it's effectiveness.
 
Opioids are not a sustainable anti anxiety drug to take the stress off after a hard day at work.

The immediately result in more stress the next day or two when they are out of your system. Causing your to take more vacsuse you feel shittier than when you started. And everyone that has done opioids for a long time knows how it goes from there.

They even behave this way with pain too.
 
The UltimateFixx said:
Yep thanks for pointing this out.
Their original prescription was as an anti-tussive (suppressing the cough reflex), an anti - diarrhea, as well as an anti - depressive medication
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Yes until they found out how addictive it was so they replaced it with heroin as a 'less addictive' substitute and I think we all know how that turned out I do think for most people they can take a clinical dose for a short time and be ok but people like me who have an addictive personality should try to stay clear of all cost because let's be honest dealing with pain without aids or whopping cough being a little harsher them it would without medication is better then becoming a smackhead maybe you won't become one straight away but once you taste it all it takes is one recreational dose
 
LucidSDreamr said:
Opioids are not a sustainable anti anxiety drug to take the stress off after a hard day at work.

The immediately result in more stress the next day or two when they are out of your system. Causing your to take more vacsuse you feel shittier than when you started. And everyone that has done opioids for a long time knows how it goes from there.

They even behave this way with pain too.
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Agreed some people stay in denial about it even if it's ruined their lives some snap out of the denial like me and can see opiates for what they are some people might not like coming to terms with that but it's the truth
 
"Opioids are not a sustainable anti anxiety drug to take the stress off after a hard day at work"

Of course not. We are talking about using them for mental health issues. Everyone has some degree of anxiety or depression that they go through, but that is different than actual clinical anxiety & depression disorders. Stress from a hard day at work is not the same thing as living with chronic anxiety/depression.


So you'd prefer people lived in misery than take a drug that might make them feel better?

"The immediately result in more stress the next day or two when they are out of your system. Causing your to take more vacsuse you feel shittier than when you started. And everyone that has done opioids for a long time knows how it goes from there."

This is not true of all opioids. And is no different than some one who's antidepressant or benzo has warn off the next day. So I find this point rather null.
Hell, your blood pressure meds wearing off the next morning will lead to the same thing. In fact, I use to kick ass at physical labor when I took my dose of my opioid before work. The only thing that ever made it NOT sustainable was running out and not being able to get anymore.. Which would not happen if it were legal.

Ganjcat said:
Agreed some people stay in denial about it even if it's ruined their lives some snap out of the denial like me and can see opiates for what they are some people might not like coming to terms with that but it's the truth
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I think the only person in denial is yourself, about the potential for opiates to have mental health benefits.
Just because your experience wasn't positive, doesn't mean you should go around generalizing it for everyone.

In fact, since your name is "Ganjcat", I'd argue cannabis (which I love just as much) can be more harmful to your mental health & lungs than opioids.
But I bet you'll be "in denial" about that one. I love the "weed good, opiates bad" crowd, as they're always in denial about the potential risks cannabis can have on growing brains, memory retention, not to mention inhaling combusting plant matter is generally never a great idea.

So no, I'm not in denial. As much as I love cannabis and advocate for it to be legal, I still don't sugar coat it and act like cannabis is the "cure all" and "totally harmless", but do you?


Opioids have never "ruined my life", but prohibition sure has!
 
Ganjcat said:
I would prefer finding the underlying issue causing pain in the 1st place
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Sure but in the meantime it's good to alleviate it.

PS Anyone that drinks or drugs themselves into oblivion on a regular basis, the main problem is NOT the drink or the drugs.
If you are doing that then your consumption is merely a symptom of something else.
 
tubgirl.jpg said:
I agree with you, but I think the main problem is that most people chose the path of least resistance, i.e taking a pill instead of dealing with what drives them to it.
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EXACTLY!!

... ok I'm actually right now this minute kinda happily excited for you pointing that out. ;)
You see my background is the natural sciences as well as behavioural science.

Now, from a view of simply objectively observing human BEHAVIOUR, you can see the following :
- humans are naturally motivated to try out novel experiences (ie, sample various drugs).
- humans are hard - wired to REPEAT any experience associated with reward (just like any other sufficiently evolved animal).
- humans are hard - wired to be creatures of habit (and unfortunately the brain doesn't discriminate between beneficial habits and those that have become self - destructive).
- humans tend to go for the least effort in exchange for a reward; as well as immediate reward in preference to long - term benefits.

.. Considering that it's not only NOT surprising why a significant percentage of us have drug problems, but rather why not MORE of us do.
 
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@The UltimateFixx - awesomeness. You put it into words so much better than I did. I do think opiates and opiods are fantastic medicines, both for pain and nothing has worked as well on my depression/anxiety as buprenorphine did before I gained tolerance to heavier opiods.

But that circuit that keeps us running in circles in the same habits is a treacherous trail to tread.
 
The UltimateFixx said:
Sure but in the meantime it's good to alleviate it.

PS Anyone that drinks or drugs themselves into oblivion on a regular basis, the main problem is NOT the drink or the drugs.
If you are doing that then your consumption is merely a symptom of something else.
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I agree mate I do its just such a fine line I'm mainly drawing in Mt own experience with it, that as you know hasn't been good
 
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