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Conspiracies The Covid Narrative

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The Wizard of the Creek said:
@Painful One, Hey girl! Haven’t seen you here for a while. I hope all is well in your land. I didn’t no you were anti-vax? Does that go for all vaccines, or just this one? The last conversations I remember having with you was when you got COVID last year and got pretty sick. I’m really glad to see you back here posting on bluelight! You were one of the first people here to me feel welcome in the bluelight community ❤️

I get where all of this vaccine hesitancy comes from. I was never too keen to get vaccinated, because I, like you, had a pretty good case of it last year, and I still haven’t found any information about how long the immunity lasts from actually getting the fucking virus in the wild. No one has given me a good reason why I should hurry up and get vaccinated when I probably had good old fashioned COVID antibodies anyway. I still haven’t got a good answer to how long those naturally gotten antibodies last, and why the need to get vaccinated right away! Does natural antibodies mean anything or not? No one has given a strait answer on that, because guess what, everyone is different. No one has given me a good answer on that, and you know why… this is a brand new virus and we don’t fucking know yet? How could we?

I did end up getting the J&J vaccine anyway when they dangled pretty good odds of winning a million dollars (which was really fishy anyway to have the government do that, but I love gambling for money)! My partner still hasn’t got vaccinated yet, but she’s not apposed to it (we had COVID together). She just thinks it’s a personal decision about her body, and she thinks that we are way more complexed than just one size fits all model to people’s individual health. She thinks that this is a different thing than say Polio. For her, she will not make decisions about her body based on fear. She’s not taking a stand, and she may change her mind tomorrow, but being shamed, or frightened to get the vaccine isn’t right either.

I am disappointed, but not surprised that boosters will be necessary, to feel protected and safe, but at fucking 8 months intervals. That’s really great news for the vaccine companies. They are getting real world data from a brand new pathogen that says that their vaccines work, but only about 6-8 months. Neat trick Big Pharm! This whole thing stinks to high heaven, and I can completely see why people don’t trust these vaccines, and think they are probably unnecessary. Now that Pfizer has full FDA approval, governments and private companies immediately started requiring vaccines. In New York City, now you can’t eat in a restaurant, or go to a movie without showing proof of vaccination. This is going to be the new normal from now on, and anti-vaxxers will either have to get vaccinated or they will no longer allowed in polite society. That will soon be the reality for people that have gotten vaccinated, they will need to show proof of boosters or they will be excluded from polite society. I just don’t see how this madness ends.
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I am not anti vax.
I am fully vaccinated for everything else.
This is not a vaccine.
It is an Experimental gene therapy OPERATING SYSTEM that can be accessed by The Government.
ie: New World Order.

This is madness.
I am OLD SCHOOL.
We don‘t play like this.
New Normal? Forget it!
I like the old one.
you know, the one where people used to speak to one another on the phone and in person all the time?
The one where we were allowed to breath oxygen?
The one where family was everything.
Hate to tell you all but you are most likely sterilized now.
Can never have children!

What new hellfire have they released upon us?
You know the vaccinated are the most sick and dying ones.
Many wish they never would have taken it.
Many are being blocked and censored at every step trying to show and tell others of their injuries.

I experienced Liver failure from Tylenol.
Do you all need to experience that or are you going to trust me that is was beyond your comprehension?

I think all your responses were pretty reasonable my friend.
But, don’t get another one of any of those.
It makes it worse if you already have Covid antibodies.
We are good to go.
We survived.

I know what I’m talking about.
One of brothers is a scientist who develops vaccines and the other is a Chemical Engineer.
Not to mention my superb experience and expertise.

The thing that makes me KNOW this is a terrible thing the most though, is I have a certain sense since having a Near Death Experience that is right on laser focused and everything in that is screaming, stay away from that vaccine.
I tell you, knowing I would be opposed but out of sincere love for you all.
 
Painful One said:
Yes, it speaks volumes about my character.
You are correct on that.
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i did not say, or imply, anything about your character.

AutoTripper said:
The threat of a seatbelt fine is not even what motivates me. It’s a very very worthwhile logical no brainier precaution.
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a lot of people feel the same way about the covid vaccine.

alasdair
 
alasdairm said:
i did not say, or imply, anything about your character.



a lot of people feel the same way about the covid vaccine.

alasdair
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Yeah, I know,
you went even lower than that and implied I have some sort of mental problem.
I was letting you off the hook but have it your way.

I think you are a fine person Mr. Baggins.
Good day to you.
 
The Wizard of the Creek said:
I don’t know anything about that, but I love you so much anyway ❤️ We have a lot in common if you remember, both of us have died and came back, and I’m a wizard and you’re a witch. I will agree that something definitely smells fishy, and smelling more fishy every day.

As for becoming sterile because I got the vaccine, I don’t know about that. Besides I already have 3 kids, and made myself sterile anyway after the last one by getting myself a vasectomy.
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That language of “Experimental gene therapy OPERATING SYSTEM” that can be accessed from an outside source“ is their own words. Not mine.
comes straight from the Moderna website.

Oh! Thanks for reminding me.
I have memory problems for sure.
I have no problem admitting my own flaws.
I love you so much too and I do remember!
Love you babe!
❤️👍
 
alasdairm said:
a lot of people feel the same way about the covid vaccine.
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I know! You’re telling me. (Not you, the folk saying).

It’s madness. Imagine if we had all stopped wearing seatbelts March 2020.

We’d need hospitals 4 times the size surely.

India would see a lower Delta variant surge because of the extra extra lives lost on their treacherous roads. Though probably many go unbuckled already in case the clifftop road gives way and they need to jump out quick, not joking lol.

I’m really not personally afraid of Covid. I never once was, funnily, I had it, all stages.

I won’t ask for Covid for Christmas but I am not one bit afraid of it.

I really don’t need to be. I’ve acquired immunity apparently. And it was only the misfortune of Long C in nerves that was a bother.

The respiratory infection was very very treatable, if you just know how, which I do fortunately.

So why are people SO damn afraid of Covid?

Media! Government! Facts?!

No seatbelts, we’d all know many casualties by now, probably witness high street projections of bodies through windshields.

The danger is there to be seen, felt, predicted.

How afraid would we all be of Covid without the media campaign really really driving that fear into humanity. Disgracefully IMO.
 
The Wizard of the Creek said:
I don’t know anything about that, but I love you so much anyway ❤️ We have a lot in common if you remember, both of us have died and came back, and I’m a wizard and you’re a witch. I will agree that something definitely smells fishy, and smelling more fishy every day.

As for becoming sterile because I got the vaccine, I don’t know about that. Besides I already have 3 kids, and made myself sterile anyway after the last one by getting myself a vasectomy.
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Interesting fun fact for you @ The Wizard of the Creek.
Our Near Death Experience’s make us candidates for remote viewers.

aw, the good old days of the lounge.
You came in when The Captain and us all were having a good time.
* cries a tear for The Captain.

And...don’t get the vaccine ya all.
lol.
threw that in to keep Snuggles off my back for not staying on topic. Heheh.
 
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Painful One said:
New Normal?
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I joked about this plain literary contradiction privately with a good member here today.

I despise the term. On the grounds that it is a political term and social conditioning predictive programming tool.

But I also joked about New as a concept being timeless in a philosophical sense. Because creation, how long does it take from not existing to suddenly existing?

It’s a very relative term and concept- New/newness/news.

Normal, well what’s possibly new, about normal? i.e. established, familiar, regular order- repeat ultimately.

So I threw it out. Apart from the literal and philosophical fallacy, whatever they have in mind by this “New normal” we’ve all been prepped and “conditioned” for, I don’t want one piece of it.

So, to make more sensical use of language and a brighter prognosis- I’m hoping to see the “New old”.

No contradictions there at least. 😉
 
finitelifeform said:
Parachutes and vaccines are not the same thing. You make a choice to open a parachute based solely of your own violition. Doing so does not put political pressure on your society to conform to do the same as you and not use/open a parachute. Vaccine choice is not a choice that implies the same individualistic freedom of which our societies are based. If you choose not to open a parachute in this instance, you are being gaslighted into believing you are killing your friends, family and society at large. This stokes fear, paranoia and psychosis that forces compliance and submission, hence the imposition you will take it and do the "right" thing. Nevertheless, the underlying assumption is you will make a decision predicated solely on group psychology and the notion of complying with the masses and choosing to accept indoctrination into the belief systems that such masses have adopted.

It defies logic. A goal of totalitarian regimes that use similiar tactics though is to use illogical conclusions to thwart logical arguments. A lie can be way more convincing than the truth. We our more emotionally vulnerable to illogical conclusions which opens us up to a paradox of sorts that has us struggle to make sense of what is going on. And then, just on cue, another mind f*ck comes your way until you just surrender and seek to numb your thirst for challenging nonsensical input. This happens in abusive relationships all the time. Its usually the most nonsensical arguments your abuser has that gets you in the worst bind. Its the logical arguments you can counter because, yup, they are logical.

It is pretty simple. Bring a troll to a conference on physics and see what happens. No longer does it become about advanced topics of intellectual debate, now it becomes about a much lower and primitive impulsive set of behaviours that derail the debate but bolster the troll and his intentions. Do this en masse in society and you have a recipe for behavioural modification through manipulation, or essentially, brainwashing/coercive applied psychological techniques. All historical accounts of totalitarian regimes used the same techniques. Its also something Bernays pointed out in his infamous classic book on propaganda. Based on this book were observations taken from his uncle, Sigmund Freud who studied the behaviour of the masses along with Carl Jung too.
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Sounds like you don't fully grasp the political narrative surrounding parachutes! Wake up!
 
Pickledlemons said:
Sounds like you don't fully grasp the political narrative surrounding parachutes! Wake up!
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That's a non-response. And one that isn't very intelligent. It's a subtle form of submission masked using humour because you cannot return a reasonable argument to my challenging of the comparison between parachutes and vaccines. Fairly self deprecating and revealing. Cue your emotional response in return.
 
finitelifeform said:
That's a non-response. And one that isn't very intelligent. It's a subtle form of submission masked using humour because you cannot return a reasonable argument to my challenging of the comparison between parachutes and vaccines. Fairly self deprecating and revealing. Cue your emotional response in return.
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I've tried, you don't address any of the points, and just make everything about 'political narratives.' I am always down for intellectually stimulating conversation but this would not be that. With you it seems everything is about steering the conversation into something completely irrelevant. So why would I take the bait? It would just be a waste of time, for both of us.
 
WTF?
Just reading through a few recent posts and we are at each others throats in a lot of sub forums. We used to kick the shit a couple years ago but it seems politics have given us bloodlust.
If there is nothing left in life to bond or keep us together fuck it whens the next ship out? daaaaammmnnn.

I for one am still into drugs but not souch as years ago. Hope we make it another year with these outside influenced hard stances. wheres the fuckin love? lol
 
This study is all over the news. However, protection from the vaccine is definitely waning.

More controversially, insurance companies want to limit coverage for unvaccinated individuals treated for COVID (which I see as a money grab), and hospitals want to prioritize vaccinated patients over unvaccinated for admission to the ICU if beds are highly limited, which they are in an alarming number of stares. Their reasoning is that they want to allocate those resources to those who are more likely to survive.

Unvaccinated 29 times more likely to be hospitalized with COVID-19, CDC study says​

Infection and hospitalization rates in late July were five and 29 times higher, respectively, among unvaccinated people in Los Angeles County than the fully vaccinated, according to a new report out Tuesday from the CDC.

Why it matters: Hospitals and state health officials have been warning that the spike in COVID-19 hospitalizations is mostly attributed to unvaccinated adults.

The big picture: Still, the data, which shows one-fourth of Los Angeles infections were among the vaccinated, coincides with another CDC report out Tuesday that also shows the waning vaccine effectiveness against the Delta variant.

  • The CDC looked at a cohort of front-line health care workers and determined that vaccine effectiveness had gone down to 66%, independent of time since vaccination.
  • Last week, the agency released initial reports on vaccine effectiveness including one on adults in New York with vaccine effectiveness declining from about 92% in early May to nearly 80% by late July.
Between the lines: The two datasets out Tuesday add to the emerging evidence that protection from COVID-19 shots decreases over time.

By the numbers: Among the 43,127 COVID infections in Los Angeles County, between May 1 and July 25, about 25% were fully vaccinated, about 3% were partially vaccinated and about 71% were unvaccinated, the report shows.

Fully vaccinated people with COVID-19 were also less likely to be hospitalized than unvaccinated people.

  • About 3% of vaccinated people were hospitalized, .5% were in an ICU and .2% needed a ventilator.
  • Among the unvaccinated, nearly 8% were hospitalized, 1.5% were in an ICU and .5% were on a ventilator.
The bottom line: The vaccine still protects the majority of people from severe illness, and breakthrough cases among the vaccinated are still rare.

Go deeper: We're all going to pay for the unvaccinated
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www.axios.com

Unvaccinated 29 times more likely to be hospitalized with COVID-19, CDC study says

The two datasets out Tuesday add to the emerging evidence that protection from COVID-19 shots decreases over time.
www.axios.com www.axios.com
 
cduggles said:
This study is all over the news. However, protection from the vaccine is definitely waning.

More controversially, insurance companies want to limit coverage for unvaccinated individuals treated for COVID (which I see as a money grab), and hospitals want to prioritize vaccinated patients over unvaccinated for admission to the ICU if beds are highly limited, which they are in an alarming number of stares. Their reasoning is that they want to allocate those resources to those who are more likely to survive.

Unvaccinated 29 times more likely to be hospitalized with COVID-19, CDC study says​



www.axios.com

Unvaccinated 29 times more likely to be hospitalized with COVID-19, CDC study says

The two datasets out Tuesday add to the emerging evidence that protection from COVID-19 shots decreases over time.
www.axios.com www.axios.com
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I and @ageingpartyfiend were talking about that a few pages ago... Pay attention
 
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