Mental Health Can you take benzo's every day?

JohnBoy2000

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Or are they more so for occasional use?

Noted as having addictive properties but I took zopiclone every day for years and had zero withdrawal.

For daytime anxiety.
 
if you want to be addicted then you can take it everyday. Benzos have horrible withdrawal. you will be much better without benzos and tolerance to them raise very quickly.

Benzos are highly addictive and have the worst withdrawal. it takes months or years to feel better.
 
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your anxiety will get worse on benzos after some time and during withdrawal your anxiety will be fucking unbearable for months because there is nothing which can help you during withdrawal. don't take it at all. I been there and I really can't describe how bad it is and you don't want to find it out by yourself.
 
It's not nearly so bad for most who actually comply with their doctor on a constant dose by prescription.

Long-term regular doses have some benefit, but they are inferior to SSRIs in the long run for anxiety. I think this applies to situational dosing, as-needed, too.

For acute anxiety, they are quite valuable. Trauma like a loved one passing away. Anything longer than about four weeks, and most of the effect goes away. But 100% tolerance never really develops.

Seems like your doctor would know best how to answer any questions you have about it. They do vary a bit. What one are you wanting to consider?
 
Benzos are simply not the best long term option for most people. Some have such severe problems they may be on them for life, but benzos ALWAYS do more damage in the long run. The damage benzos do after 5, 10, 20 years is significant in some people. It completely rewires your brain and makes your anxiety worse than it was before taking them. *(by "damage" I am referring to the fact that they are a bandaid for anxiety, keep it on long enough and the wound never heals, only festers, and then one day someone rips off your bandaid and takes away your pills and it's a nightmare)

I forbid myself to take them for more than a month maximum daily. After that you dive into the sheer hell that is benzo dependence and withdrawal.

I get insane rebound anxiety from taking benzos for a week or two and then stopping.

Even the damn medical literature states that they lose their effectiveness after a few weeks (because they do)

sorry went off on a little rant there

benzos are invaluable drugs and a Godsend for anxiety - but they simply are a tool not a crutch to lean on
 
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have you ever had withdrawal from them ? I wouldn't advice anybody to use them.
In a medical setting people should always listen to their doctors. I really hate antipsychotics and they do even worse things to people, but I would never tell anyone not to take them from their doctor. Telling a schizophrenic not to take their medication is dangerous and unhelpful.

Benzos definitely have an evil side - but they also really do amazing work and help people.

I just tell people that it's not a long term solution. But for someone in a really bad way/situation in life they can do amazing healing in temporary scenarios.
 
Daily benzo use will definitely produce dependence after a little while, so absolutely avoid it. I have been able to get away with every other day, once per day (night for sleep) etizolam dosing without producing dependence, but that is because it is a short acting benzo that wears off quickly, so most of my time is spent not on benzos. Dosing a long half life benzo every other day would probably lead to dependence because you'd have a lot less time without a benzo in your system.

benzos are best for occasional, non-regular use. Some people have such severe anxiety disorders that it is worth it for them to be dependent on something like clonazepam. But if you don't really need that, you should avoid it like the plague, because benzos have probably the worst withdrawal of any class of substances. Like all gabaergics, the withdrawal is dangerous due to seizure potential, and benzo withdrawal lasts a long time, too. They are very difficult to come off of. Used recreationally, many people develop really sever problems because as you become tolerant and dependent, you need more and more to get the same effect and you dig yourself into a really deep hole.

Benzos are valuable substances when they're used for their purpose, which can be occasional insomnia relief, relief from panic attacks or severe anxiety episodes, and coming down from stimulating drugs ("landing gear"). If you use them sparingly and responsibly, they're a great thing to have in your drug toolbox. Abuse them and they become terrible. I always keep etizolam on hand and I use it fairly regularly, because I often have insomnia, and I like to use it to come down at the end of long-lasting psychedelics in order to sleep (otherwise I won't sleep for a whole night and that is bad for you). But I take great care not to use them too often so that I don't ruin it for myself by becoming dependent.
 
have you ever had withdrawal from them ? I wouldn't advice anybody to use them.
I have. But I never abused them. It wasn't a high that I was coaxed to chase. There really is a difference between honesty+dependence and free reign+addiction.

I don't think that they're good as a long-term thing. There are plenty of minor GABAergics that don't come with the host of exponential, eventual downsides to their use. Keeping something regularly attached to the benzo area like that is no good. It's not much different than relying on booze in that manner, not quite so bad, but quite a large upset. GABA is a very, very active neurotransmitter in the CNS.

But again, in the short-term, they are really quite valuable.
 
In a medical setting people should always listen to their doctors. I really hate antipsychotics and they do even worse things to people, but I would never tell anyone not to take them from their doctor. Telling a schizophrenic not to take their medication is dangerous and unhelpful.

Benzos definitely have an evil side - but they also really do amazing work and help people.

I just tell people that it's not a long term solution. But for someone in a really bad way/situation in life they can do amazing healing in temporary scenarios.
they're very addictive and withdrawal is hell. from my personal experience I would avoid them totally. there are many people who can't quit these evil pills at all. they are definitely a hard drug.

there is nothing which can help you during withdrawal and that makes them dangerous. not being able to function for months is normal during withdrawal.
 
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get insane rebound anxiety from taking benzos for a week or two and then stopping

And me it's why I am to scared to stop

Some people have such severe anxiety disorders that it is worth it for them to be dependent

Yeah me, so what the fuck am I meant to do when benzos are the only thing that helps

So yeah @JohnBoy2000 STAY AWAY, they are addictive as fuck, so hard to come off

I started on small amount and now I'm thinking of going to get another pill to calm down as I think the clonazepam has made me hyper, a paradoxical reaction, right I'll go grab a valium fucksake
 
I mean sort of implicit in the number of psych meds we have today that act the same on paper, is the idea that people respond differently to different meds, and there's no sure-fire way to predict how someone's chemistry will react to a substance. We are unique. My point is that some people have an incredibly difficult time trying to stop benzodiazepine therapy, and others do not much feel any significant withdrawal or discontinuation symptoms.

But, following other theories, it's safe to say that these negative effects of stopping use will be more pronounced in those that fully qualify for such treatment.

The psychiatric system, as it is, is designed to make people lifelong patients. It treats what appears on the surface, not the most fundamental core issue. The good thing is that good CBT therapy can help ameliorate the core issues while medication sets people up to be receptive to therapy. THat's the idea, anyway.

But my opinion is that benzos are on the much more crude side, opposed to psych drugs that tend to take more time to work. They kind of are a relic of the 1960's in some sense, a relic of the time that promised a quick fix to all issues with a little capitalist spirit and sure mindset.
 
Doctors don't like prescribing longer than 3-6 months. If you have severe anxiety some people do take them long term, some people take 1-2mg of lorazepam a day and some people take 6mg of cpam/alp. I do benzos and the thought of people getting 60 bars a month blows my mind. The more mild benzos are a safer than xanax, but they all get pretty addictive. Daily high dosage usage is horrible for you and can cause withdrawals and seizures.
 
My point is that some people have an incredibly difficult time trying to stop benzodiazepine therapy, and others do not much feel any significant withdrawal or discontinuation symptoms.

are there people who can stop benzos without withdrawal ? it's hard time for everybody because brain downregulates GABAA receptors.
 
And the reality is always down a rabbit hole. Welcome to post-modernism.

Anyway, doctors, particularly psychiatrists, do vary in philosophy. In the US, they vary. In Europe, they vary. But there is almost always a stark contrast between what US psychs will prescribe compared to your average European psych. Because US doctors are much more skippy about prescribing benzos long-term. In Europe, it's almost unheard of for benzos to be prescribed for over than about four weeks.

Xanax is kind of another animal. There is credible evidence that because it's so powerful and so short-lasting, that it may in fact catalyze panic attacks. Even if taken in XR form. I am not a doctor. But I tend to shy away from the prospect of xanax. Maybe loprazolam is better because it lasts longer and still has that somewhat independent mood-lifting ability..but not so sure if that trait is a sustained mood lift, or just a high. Also loprazolam is not marketed in the US, as far as I've been told.

For some known reasons and some more mysterious ones, clonazepam tends to be more used in the states, according to my knowledge of across the pond. It lasts a while, has credible hypnotic/anxiolytic properties, may not produce as much depression as others, acts somewhat fast, and relaxes muscles. It doesn't take as much time as librium to kick in, lasts for longer than valium, and is safer for the more people who have had addiction problems.

It's far from common knowledge, but the literature is almost unmistakable in damning long term benzo play. Lots of bad stuff. Maybe for some it works well, though.

I have known some people who have stopped benzo use without much of an issue. High doses too. Once you get into years of being on them, then things get a bit more sketchy. Always taper, if instructed. If someone has a past addiction to drugs that work on GABA-A, then that adds another layer to the conundrum.
 
I quit 60 mg per diem of Restoril (temazepam) with no problem, but take away my 40 mg 1x per os at bedtime @ Zyprexa (olanzapine) and 600 mg Seroquel (quetiapine)--both +/- 10% as far as the dosage goes, of course, per FDA mandate--and I get stuck up Schitt's Creek in a few days of zero sleep.
 
and is safer for the more people who have had addiction problems

How is it safer, I'm interested to know because I obviously have addiction problems but can't keep taking clonazepam as they make me hyper and cause me to wake up after a couple of hours, made me hyper enough yesterday to need to take a 10mg vallie to calm down lol
 
How is it safer, I'm interested to know because I obviously have addiction problems but can't keep taking clonazepam as they make me hyper and cause me to wake up after a couple of hours, made me hyper enough yesterday to need to take a 10mg vallie to calm down lol
Why not take the valium instead?
This is not the first time I heard about a paradoxical reaction to clonazepam, I'm not a fan either tbh.
 
Why not take the valium instead

I do, but it's always been my favourite and been addicted to it off and on so many times that I was trying other benzos, but now back on the vallies, just have 15 clonazepam left to use in the day as vallies better for sleep
 
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