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US Politics The 2021 Former President Trump Thread - I look very much forward to showing my financials, because they are huge.

I however don't see his attempts at manipulating the mass populace as subtle at all.
I wouldn't call them attempts since he actually managed to get into the Oval Office? I don't like Trump, but the man knows his way around power dynamics. He can be very clumsy in his verbal manipulations, though. No finesse, just crude social scalping and bullying.

However, his subtle non-verbal signals, his body language, is almost always on cue, in accordance to social protocol.

At the third presidential debate with Hillary, for example: at the end of the debate, Hillary practically rushes off stage like a nervous school-kid to shake hands with those leading the debate and her colleagues and so on, while Trump simply held his ground and let people come to him, which made her look submissive and him in turn, dominant.

He excellent at reframing his weaknesses as strength, at backhand compliments, using the law of reciprocation to his advantage - I've seen him lure in people several times by feigning submission, with open palms and a tilted head for example, and the natural tendency when somebody shows friendliness is to reciprocate. And they do so (again, Hillary especially) with verbals -saying yes- and with non-verbal signs -nodding head and smiling, both submissive signs, which gives the appearance that he has their blessing, and then he tears them down another notch. All with their implicit blessing.

I find him despicable, but the man's got game.
 
The only person I saw Trump kiss up to was Putin. Otherwise, he is fucking ruthless from what I've seen, but I'm not American, so I've just seen a miniscule amount of his debates and speeches, but from what I've seen, he can be either completely socially inept or he can come across as Machiavellis protégé.
 
Thankfully, he's out. Otherwise, we'd all be in potentially very bad shape IMO. You can get into the details of what's in his tax returns, what his relationship with Putin is, whether he likes to get golden showers and sleep with hookers lol, etc., etc., etc. However, none of that sleazy, insane bullshit really matters. What matters is the fact that the man is not mentally stable and was never fit for office. He's an arrogant, impulsive egomaniac, which is exactly the opposite of the type of person who should be running the country or any government/government organization.

I think that he just went into it assuming that whatever he did would end up being good for the country, because he didn't really even consider the alternative. His extreme narcissism simply didn't allow it IMO. The guy also thinks he's a fucking genius when he really is not that sharp. Or more accurately, he's only smart when it suits his own personal interests in a major way. Honestly, I don't hate him like I did when he was in office, but I'm VERY glad he's out and not likely to return. The guy is fucking nuts.

Also, the hilarious yet frightening "maybe we could do something with the disinfectant" incident makes me think that he's probably not too smart and just disguises it by being so confident and insistent about his outrageous and brain dead ideas. I think things would have been WAY worse if it were not for his aides and assistants basically keeping him in check and congress standing in the way of him doing something even more reckless and horrible than the type of shit he usually did. I seriously hope that there aren't many people who'd be dumb enough to vote for this maniac again.
 
I find him despicable, but the man's got game.

in business, perhaps, but not in politics.

his administration was a one-term failure. i'm not suggesting that he achieved nothing but he had the white house, the house and the senate and did not get a single one of his main campaign promises close to done.

he campaigned on a $550 billion infrastructure plan. during his term, he upped that promise to a $1 trillion in infrastructure investment. never happened.

alasdair
 
in business, perhaps, but not in politics.

alasdair
Sorry, I was unclear: I meant that he was good at dominating most social situations I saw him participate in during his elections. I mean, he argued for completely ridiculous shit with outlandish techniques, but it was apparently hook, line and sinker as he won.
I'm not invested in politics, but I know Trump is pretty out there, and not in a good way. I couldn't say why though beyond his deplorable persona, because I have no clue what he has/hasn't accomplished. Okay, I'm pretty familiar with his fear-mongering.

I take your word for it. :)

I bet he's a real shark when he does business. Without the public eye on him, I think he's even more ruthless there.
 
Thankfully, he's out. Otherwise, we'd all be in potentially very bad shape IMO. You can get into the details of what's in his tax returns, what his relationship with Putin is, whether he likes to get golden showers and sleep with hookers lol, etc., etc., etc. However, none of that sleazy, insane bullshit really matters. What matters is the fact that the man is not mentally stable and was never fit for office. He's an arrogant, impulsive egomaniac, which is exactly the opposite of the type of person who should be running the country or any government/government organization.

I think that he just went into it assuming that whatever he did would end up being good for the country, because he didn't really even consider the alternative. His extreme narcissism simply didn't allow it IMO. The guy also thinks he's a fucking genius when he really is not that sharp. Or more accurately, he's only smart when it suits his own personal interests in a major way. Honestly, I don't hate him like I did when he was in office, but I'm VERY glad he's out and not likely to return. The guy is fucking nuts.

Also, the hilarious yet frightening "maybe we could do something with the disinfectant" incident makes me think that he's probably not too smart and just disguises it by being so confident and insistent about his outrageous and brain dead ideas. I think things would have been WAY worse if it were not for his aides and assistants basically keeping him in check and congress standing in the way of him doing something even more reckless and horrible than the type of shit he usually did. I seriously hope that there aren't many people who'd be dumb enough to vote for this maniac again.
Very interesting to read, thank you. It feels like the Trumpsters almost always drowns out everybody else. :rolleyes: If you can't be right, be fucking loud, I guess.

I think he thinks very highly of himself too. Or, it's pretty obvious that Donald looks at his own reflection when he's beating meat. From what I've seen, he's pretty successful (or, was, for the brief period it lasted) at maneuvering with outrageous and brain dead ideas (seems like shock tactic to me). Wasn't that Steve dude his aide or some shit? Whoever it is that helped him prepare for debates knew what they were doing, even if I think all his years as a business man made him more savvy at persuasion and underhand tactics than most politicians.

I found it hilarious to see him with Putin. He shrank like a dick in Siberia.
 
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Alright, I'm gonna look into it - thanks man. :) What is your take on Trump, if I may ask? You think he will run again?
My take is that he's a absolute loon with king baby syndrome, and I sure hope not. I could see don Jr running, but I don't think the public will really go for him running again. His administration was too poor and unpopular, two impeachments, the damage has been done.
 
My take is that he's a absolute loon with king baby syndrome, and I sure hope not. I could see don Jr running, but I don't think the public will really go for him running again. His administration was too poor and unpopular, two impeachments, the damage has been done.
Haha. Bulls eye with King Baby syndrome. I hope you guys are free from the loonies for a while now. One can only hope COVID finds it's way to him, with fatal consequences. After Capitolium, I can't believe he still has any supporters left, or how they still justify idolizing him. But domestic violence victims can need years to recover; Trumpsters might be the same. They've allowed him to dictate their reality. It's scary to see.

From what I've read, he never said explicitly that violence should be used, but rather just stirred his army of neckbeards into seething rage and malcontent over time, while pointing them in the right direction. It seemed blatantly obvious to me, with what info & facts I had, that he orchestrated that disaster of a coup.
 
Why is a Raven like a Writing Desk?


The enslaved, applauding monkeys, hide


I am disenfranchised by a spiritual void


There is nothing but neglect in the kitchen





You want me to fail


So you can keep living





Why are your slaves like the KKK?


The indoctonrated, spitting psalms like venom


We are stepping backwards from your beaddy eys





I am lost; I am a non-entity


We all exist when we want to





But – most of the tme – we fufck and eat and shit





Everything is meanginless.


My face feels good, planted in the sand.
 
Ya well Biden isn't exactly 100%
Honestly, I agree. I think that he might actually have some cognitive issues. Though, I doubt he actually has dementia, which would be an extremely dangerous situation for the country obviously. Because he definitely couldn't be trusted to make rational decisions in office. The good news is that there's no evidence of him actually getting demented. He does often get flustered, and he does have a way of seeming confused at times. However, this doesn't happen in all circumstances. People in the early stages of dementia can have episodes caused by the neurological problems at any time. Biden seems to only have issues with forgetfulness when he's flustered.

Most people with dementia wouldn't really get flustered per say. For instance, someone with dementia might forget what they were going to say. They might even realize that they forgot. Then, they might start thinking "I keep forgetting things" and focus on that. What the person usually wouldn't do is think "Oh boy, I know what I was going to say. I'm going to remember, I just need to keep trying." This is exactly what Biden does during his "gaffes". Probably, what's happening with him has several components. One is that he's obviously under a lot of pressure, and the other is that he used to be a stutterer. I saw him stuttering during one of his gaffes as well, which isn't surprising.

It tends to be an ongoing issue, and it's something that happens when a person gets emotional and kind of tripped up by a situation essentially. As he's gotten older, he probably finds it harder to remember things and snap himself out of it when this happens, because one's memory declines somewhat with age even without being compromised by dementia. Despite this, there are situations where I'd wonder if his performance could be affected. If something came up out of the blue and it was crucial to respond right that instant, I'm not entirely sure how well he'd perform. He might end up handling the situation very well, or it could be a disaster. It's hard to say.

He's the type of guy who needs time to think about things. Fortunately, most critical situations that would come up in office would give him at least some time to think about the situation and formulate a response. Even it was a really high pressure situation where it was the middle of the night and he had 5 minutes to decide what course of action to take, he very likely would handle the situation well. What can be an issue is if he's debating someone or is asked a question and has to respond with the right words, right in that moment. That's when he gets tripped up and has a gaffe. Trump is kind of the opposite. For him, taking time to think about things is very much not his strong suit.

He often doesn't really take much time to think things through. He's impulsive and does stupid things, because he hadn't taken the time to think about it. He's also overconfident. Even if what he's saying is inject disinfectant level dumb, he'll never admit to being wrong and just wait for people to forget about it basically. Or just do some other crazy thing to distract people. I think I'd rather have a guy in office whose the type of person who thrives on thinking things through as opposed to snap second decisions than someone whose very quick on their feet but doesn't think things through, is extremely overconfident, and is extremely self centered, arrogant, and has a tendency to act aggressively.

To me, Biden is not an ideal president, but at least he's sane and level headed. Also, he is a pretty bright guy I think, given that he got elected into the Senate all the way back in 1973 when he was in his early 30s. Though, I have to say that I don't entirely like the fact that he's the definition of a career politician and has essentially been in Washington for his entire adult life. I think it would be nice if someone who is more of an "outsider" actually came into Washington with a solid platform and knew what they were doing. That's what REAL democracy would be. It is true that the Washington "insiders" have interests that are very different than those of the people, and we're all sick of that.

However, in order for that to happen, we'd need at least three parties. Because then you could have Democrats, Republicans, and another party that's created for people who aren't corporate elites and/or Washington insiders. If such a party existed, I'd choose that one over the others 100% of the time. Though, no such thing exists. So, I honestly feel like the entire election was just choosing the lesser of two evils. I do think that someday, we'll have a president who isn't a super wealthy political insider who has been in Washington for decades and decades. But IMO it's better to stick with the status quo than bring in an outsider whose a crazed egomaniac.
 
Why is a Raven like a Writing Desk?


The enslaved, applauding monkeys, hide


I am disenfranchised by a spiritual void


There is nothing but neglect in the kitchen





You want me to fail


So you can keep living





Why are your slaves like the KKK?


The indoctonrated, spitting psalms like venom


We are stepping backwards from your beaddy eys





I am lost; I am a non-entity


We all exist when we want to





But – most of the tme – we fufck and eat and shit





Everything is meanginless.


My face feels good, planted in the sand.
Did you write this man? Really, really cool.
 
Do you think Trump can win again in 2024? I'm thinking no, you never know though. The US populace has a short memory imo

Of course he can. Four years? Americans can barely remember four days ago

From what I've seen, he's pretty successful (or, was, for the brief period it lasted) at maneuvering with outrageous and brain dead ideas (seems like shock tactic to me). Wasn't that Steve dude his aide or some shit? Whoever it is that helped him prepare for debates knew what they were doing, even if I think all his years as a business man made him more savvy at persuasion and underhand tactics than most politicians.

He's pretty good when it comes to political theater, really good in fact. He's a natural when it comes to the political "dark arts", like playing to the crowd/mob, exploiting grievance and/or revanchist sentiment, and constructing suitable propaganda. One thing that someone pointed out recently to me, that I had never noticed before, is that Trump never says "um" or "uh" or anything like that when he speaks (in contrast to, say, Obama)...whenever he needs time to think while speaking (as people inevitably do), he'll simply repeat himself. Also, it's well-known that if you read a transcript of a Trump speech, more often than not it'll come across as only barely-comprehensible nonsense, if that. It's the manner in which he delivers the nonsense, the body language etc which makes it very compelling and impressive imo. He just absolutely nails the performative aspect of public speaking like no American politician I've seen during my lifetime...the only one who comes close is probably Obama but he was more traditional, while Trump's style is more innovative. I've always been fascinated by "Trumpism" as a linguistic phenomena tbh
 
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