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Covid-19 Outbreak of new SARS-like coronavirus (Covid-19)

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ageingpartyfiend said:
Your source has far too much skin in the game to be taken seriously (yup, before anyone responds, just like Big Pharma etc)

This good doctor has made a great living manipulating the easily manipulated out of their hard earned £££ for many years selling his 'cures' etc.

@AutoTripper iirc you attended University - can I ask what subject you studied? I'm asassuming they encouraged you to investigate the credibility of your sources thoroughly?
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I took a joint degree in psychology and philosophy. But I honestly never had a career path in mind. No fireman, spaceman, policeman, lawyer when I grow up business.

I never wanted a career. I chose those subjects because my actual goal and intent from ever was personal development. I know it’s stupid in a money making demanding oriented world.

I don’t mistrust Dr Mercola. He’s anti-establishment alright as am I and a huge dartboard target for smearing and discrediting propaganda.

Those figures, do you think he just fabricated them then? I can’t see that myself. It must be possible for anybody to properly check those databases.

I’m absolutely shit at that side of things. I would give it a go but I haven’t managed to find the energy to ring my bank after stupid fraud department insisted I set up a new account, bad line months ago, took an hour and they stopped my bank card before it was complete.

I have no bank card. For nearly 3 months now. To hang on line with them for an hour of formalities to sort out new accounts, would just take too much precious mental energy I can’t spare presently.

Done all my allergy shit today, about to wash, and crack on with maintenance treatments.

Major Brian fog and so much time and resource diverted which I would likely use to better corroborate.

Those databases are there, I’m not aware of how to hunt out, navigate and assimilate that, it isn’t my speciality. Stats and maths were my weakholds at Uni and school. Language and art was my stronger hold.

Plus, having decades of experience using alternative supplements and remedies, I can say I support Dr Mercola n most if not all, he does sell a lot of high quality supplements for very good price and global service.

It’s always used against his credibility. Just because somebody sells supplements and promotes them, which I believe he believes in with good reason, doesn’t make them untrustworthy sources, propaganda or misinformers.
 
Covid is evolving at a ever greater pace in a few years its going to be perfected if it is not stopped. If your country has fucking covid you need to take massive measures to ensure its eliminated because its eventually going to defeat our vaccines and could become extremely infectious with higher R rates.

Plus we still do not know the long term safety of these new vaccines. 15-16 year olds have dropped dead in america from the Pfizer vaccine its obvious this shit is dangerous and alot of people are ignoring the true dangers of these untested vaccines. they are running a experiment on you all. Science need to realize we are fucking humans not fucking lab rats man. Though i accept its a emergency and we have no time. Proper plans in place when it first emerged would of elminated this virus but the world governments all fucked up massively. China owes us ten trillion dollars for fucking the world up with this genetically engineered bioweapon. Wake up everyone covid-19 is not natural. It is a engineered bat virus this is the first move for the communists to disable the world remeber mao welcomed a nuclear war with america believing if everything was wiped out some people would still survive and thus the world would become communist.

This is the CCP master plan. They planned this out 100% to fuck us up. See china is now building shit loads of nuclear missiles and silos now. This is fucking insane they are up to something no good! they have completly bought out the NZ government with their money. We are a puppet state that now ignores genocide. Adren is the fakest women on the planet people doesn't take a fucking genius to work that out. She is a genocide denier and yet people sing her praises WTF!!!!!!. I will laugh when the CCP arrive with their navy and make all the white people slaves lol ill just fucking laugh man all you woke people are one day gonna be a communist slave due to your idiot thoughts.

We must respond in the western world and build thousands of hydrogen bombs and ICBMs with new tech because the CCP are planning on taking over the whole world just like how mao wanted. The 3rd great world war will be coming in the next few decades i suggest getting a high education and been a researcher so you dont get shipped off and murdered in the war. Taiwan and south korea will very likely be turned into rumble by the north Koreans and chinese with the russians fighting a massive battlefront across europe. I reckon 2045-2050 will be world war 3. You heard it here first people if im right this post will be here forever and people will go back and see it.

Covid was the first plan to weaken the world so we can't defend ourselves in a military invasion. Ill probably be living out in the forest by then living off the land never to be found by the communists living deep in the forest in harmony with the natural world till the bulldozers come one day and flatten the land.

i believe covid will most likely kill 25 million people.

www.bbc.com

Covid: Is there a limit to how much worse variants can get?

The coronavirus has changed and changed again, getting more transmissible each time.
www.bbc.com
 
Variants continue to pose a threat to the 45% of Washington residents who have yet to receive one dose of a COVID-19 vaccine.

The delta variant has gained some ground in the state, going from just 7% of the state’s detected variant cases in late May to 17% of variant cases sequenced from the first half of June. Acting State Health Officer Dr. Scott Lindquist said that while the rise in the number of delta variant cases detected could be an early signal, Washington continues to see declining COVID-19 case rates.

“We’re not seeing big clues of any of these variants becoming predominant in severity,” Lindquist said.

The alpha, gamma and delta variants are the three most dominant strains of COVID-19 circulating in Washington currently, and all three are more transmissible. The gamma variant is associated with higher rates of hospitalization and death. Lindquist said no variant so far is causing more breakthrough cases in people who are fully vaccinated than he would expect.

While 69% of the state population 16 and older has at least one dose, that vaccine coverage is not equal among counties.

For example, while King County has 77% of its population 12 and older vaccinated, Garfield County on the Oregon border in Eastern Washington has just 30.4% of its eligible population vaccinated.

Only 52.7% of Spokane County residents 12 and older have received at least one dose of a COVID-19 vaccine.
 
so based on that ^ why bother paying attention to any variant news?

variant news = more drama for the big show

don't even pay attention to that fluff
 
My mum told me, on the same day Matt Hancock was sacked, Public Health
England, an official government body, released the news that apparently officially 62% of the people dying in England or UK, with Covid currently, have had two jabs.

She is saying this was an official government admission. My mum is a lot more into corroborating and far less esoteric than myself.

I’m sure this will be widely rejected with demands for their heads…ahem, Evidence I mean.

I meant to ask her earlier, if she has an official source to send me but I was trying not to converse too much tbh, we went to the tip, a shop and….bought some new mattresses at last hooray!
 
yea and when ppl who have been vaccinated catch it, they blame it on the variant rather than the shit shot not as effective as they claim


if they only have mild sypmtoms "oh that's the shot working, if you didn't have the shot, you'd be in the hospital" even tho you're most likely outcome even without the shot are either no symptoms or mild symptoms

and then if they end up in the hosptial really sick, that's because the of the variant


what a fuckin joke

than ya got this going on:

childrenshealthdefense.org

CDC Experts Disagree With Pfizer on COVID Boosters, Threatening Pharma Giant’s Billion Dollar Revenue Stream

The CDC’s advisory committee said there isn’t enough evidence to recommend booster shots as Pfizer reassures investors boosters will be needed long after the pandemic ends in an effort to secure its multi-billion-dollar revenue stream.
childrenshealthdefense.org childrenshealthdefense.org
 
I want to see some examples of hospitalizations from covid with people who have been fully vaccinated. I'm sure they exist, but until recently the stats showed a 100% success rate in preventing hospitalizations from covid. What I am hearing is that the delta variant will result in a mild case at worst with the vaccine. I'd like to see some stats for comparisons of serious disease between unvaccinated and vaccinated. I don't really care if there are a handful of severe cases. We already know there have been millions of deaths in unvaccinated people.
 
Xorkoth said:
I want to see some examples of hospitalizations from covid with people who have been fully vaccinated. I'm sure they exist, but until recently the stats showed a 100% success rate in preventing hospitalizations from covid. What I am hearing is that the delta variant will result in a mild case at worst with the vaccine. I'd like to see some stats for comparisons of serious disease between unvaccinated and vaccinated. I don't really care if there are a handful of severe cases. We already know there have been millions of deaths in unvaccinated people.
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here's your stats buddy

COVID-19 Breakthrough Case Investigations and Reporting | CDC

Information and resources to help public health departments and laboratories investigate and report COVID-19 vaccine breakthrough cases.
www.cdc.gov www.cdc.gov
 
According to that page, as of the end of June, 879 people who were vaccinated have died from covid, out ~154 million fully vaccinated individuals. That is a vanishingly small percentage (0.000005% ) and FAR lower than unvaccinated deaths. A few thousand more were hospitalized to some degree but did not die. Using a conservative estimate of 0.1% death rate among unvaccinated (some sources suggest it's higher but it also depends on circumstances and location), that means you're ~20,000 times more likely to die from covid if you're unvaccinated.

At this point over 99% of covid deaths in America still happening are among unvaccinated people.

Like I said, I realize it's not perfect and there are exceptions. But even the evidence you presented says that vaccination massively decreases your chances of getting seriously sick or dying from covid.
 
Xorkoth said:
According to that page, as of the end of June, 879 people who were vaccinated have died from covid, out ~154 million fully vaccinated individuals. That is a vanishingly small percentage (0.000005% ) and FAR lower than unvaccinated deaths. A few thousand more were hospitalized to some degree but did not die. Using a conservative estimate of 0.1% death rate among unvaccinated (some sources suggest it's higher but it also depends on circumstances and location), that means you're ~20,000 times more likely to die from covid if you're unvaccinated.

At this point over 99% of covid deaths in America still happening are among unvaccinated people.

Like I said, I realize it's not perfect and there are exceptions. But even the evidence you presented says that vaccination massively decreases your chances of getting seriously sick or dying from covid.
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This is coming from no angle, but in relation, I feel very confident about being able to home treat Covid, respiratory wise, even if it was localised in my heart or kidneys for example, using the…yep, electro blah blah lol.

The nerves, is a different matter to pinpoint hence this Long Covid being a totally different thing than the purely respiratory, admittedly initially severe respiratory bout last year.

But the 6 week flu I had from December was still much more of a horror than even this Long Covid.

Although it has impacted me a lot, especially the nerve damage, although the other two genuine Neurological Coxsackie Viruses in tandem contributed as always have done.

I’m not actually trying to downplay the potential severity of Covid, or any infection.

I’ve seen first hand it can vary wildly.

However, I do expect to be able to fully recover. I’m on the way already but I already had major post viral fatigue syndrome from the Flu, and so many viruses, it’s exacerbated my long running true chronic fatigue condition on the muscular and cellular energy level, especially stamina wise, despite my physical body actually being bigger, and much stronger, like Ican support myself lifting our weed plants easily now, however fatigued.

Previous years it weighed so heavy on my back with strain, eventually pulled back.


All said, I honestly so far, do not feel COVID is likely to kill me. The electromedicine ensures I can prevent that by respiratory infection.

And I truly do fear a vaccine. We can say the risks are low, and outweighed statistically by death chances.

Vaccinated can still spread it, if they can catch it. So not a full extended finger can be pointed at us nonners (haha XorKoth nother new word lol), as the sole superspreaders, not that YOU are at all.

I’m rarely away from home, very hygiene conscious already. Like, for decade over, disciplined practice of never touching anything, even at home, not even a tap, if my hands have been on my face like eating, pulling a simple hair out of mouth, without soapy washing them not even touching the tap.

But however low, adverse events, crippling ones, and deaths, do occur. I’m abnormally reactive to things, and my immune system is already so disordered.

That goes, even if I actually believed the vaccines are purely benevolent.

Because I simply don’t, it would be a massive anxiety to me fearing tomorrow, next month, next year, my dream of basic normal health and living could be unachievable.

While I’m not scared of Covid. I just hope to avoid it obviously and learn more about it while I focus on strengthening my immune system.
 
I was never personally scared of covid, I just saw how it brutalized a lot of people, including my aunt and cousin's girlfriend (killed them), so that's why I take it seriously. I got it, it sucked but it was no big deal. Wouldn't be for most of us. But it's a big deal for a lot of people who are more vulnerable.
 
Xorkoth said:
I was never personally scared of covid, I just saw how it brutalized a lot of people, including my aunt and cousin's girlfriend (killed them), so that's why I take it seriously. I got it, it sucked but it was no big deal. Wouldn't be for most of us. But it's a big deal for a lot of people who are more vulnerable.
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I support your thinking and motives. But hopefully all vulnerable will be offered the vaccine. If it genuinely works, then they don’t really need everybody else, or any particular other, to be vaccinated right?
 
Xorkoth said:
According to that page, as of the end of June, 879 people who were vaccinated have died from covid, out ~154 million fully vaccinated individuals. That is a vanishingly small percentage (0.000005% ) and FAR lower than unvaccinated deaths. A few thousand more were hospitalized to some degree but did not die. Using a conservative estimate of 0.1% death rate among unvaccinated (some sources suggest it's higher but it also depends on circumstances and location), that means you're ~20,000 times more likely to die from covid if you're unvaccinated.

At this point over 99% of covid deaths in America still happening are among unvaccinated people.

Like I said, I realize it's not perfect and there are exceptions. But even the evidence you presented says that vaccination massively decreases your chances of getting seriously sick or dying from covid.
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No it doesn't

if you're unvaccinated, you have to catch covid first, and what's the odds of that happening at the moment? you gotta factor that in to come up with anything numbers-wise
 
These numbers do boggle me I’ll be dead honest.

An injury to my optic nerve in 2016 altered how my brain works, so my personality had to change and adapt to equalise it.

I suppose, not too dissimilar to the concept of going deaf, blind, and compensating by adapting to enhanced tuning with the other senses.

I became much deeper thinking, more philosophical, more psychic for those who can believe in that phenomenon.

It’s concentration in particular, as well initially as visual re-focussing speed with every eye glance, hence drastically more taxing and slow basic task performance.

Like, walking to town, easy.

Kitchen prep, diff cupboards, draws, chopping, cooking etc, massive headwork.

I don’t regret it now. I feel I’ve gained from becoming deeper and more philosophical and the injury has healed to the point of not consciously bothering me.
 
Mr. Krinkle said:
No it doesn't

if you're unvaccinated, you have to catch covid first, and what's the odds of that happening at the moment? you gotta factor that in to come up with anything numbers-wise
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That's true. 154 million vaccined people didn't all get exposed to covid. I'd be curious to see stats for vaccinated vs unvaccined population over, say, the past month, and rates of hospitalizations and death among both. Assuming equal chance of being exposed. I'd also be interested to see stats for those 154 million vaccinated who were exposed, but there is no way to get those numbers. Especially since most simply won't get sick at all.
 
Xorkoth said:
That's true. 154 million vaccined people didn't all get exposed to covid. I'd be curious to see stats for vaccinated vs unvaccined population over, say, the past month, and rates of hospitalizations and death among both. Assuming equal chance of being exposed. I'd also be interested to see stats for those 154 million vaccinated who were exposed, but there is no way to get those numbers. Especially since most simply won't get sick at all.
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that's why i think a lot of stats between vaccinated and not aren't really true stats unless everybody is exposed equally - and how are you ever gonna know that?

and is it actually dying down anyway? it was already quieting down here when the big vax rollout started....and we had 3 or 4 waves in the US....the only countries you're seeing now with big outbreaks are the ones that were fairly quiet that had maybe only 1 small wave, like India....so India's big explosion is relative to our big wave around the holidays - and it was super quiet in India during that - they were like we were during the summer last year

Italy has always been ahead of us and they've been quiet for a while now - so a lot of times, i like to look at them - Italy also has a lot of Chinese working in the garment areas of the north which played a big roll in their cases

stats are relative to too many variables if you ask me
 
I'd also be willing to bet, that most ppl you still see at the grocery store and whatnot, wearing masks even tho the mandate ended in that state, probably got a shot or 2 and they're just super paranoid still, and they're still laying low for the most part

and then where's all the big outbreaks from these packed stadiums for playoff hockey and basketball games? that's not happening either....realistically, i think cases should be raging if only half the population has a shot, most ppl have ditched masks, and we're nearly back to normal
 
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