Covid-19 Outbreak of new SARS-like coronavirus (Covid-19)

[Mr. Krinkle]

just so you guys know, i hired finite from another message board to reign down terror in this thread

 

[finitelifeform]

just so you guys know, i hired finite from another message board to reign down terror in this thread

*whispers* I have yet to receive payment I was promised a footballers salary!

 

[birdup.snaildown]

There is no fucking jab for me to get! So I sit here, confined to my house because I can't go out even at the lowest level of lockdown, reading how those that can get the vaccine won't.

As I said to you via private message when you started spamming me with bizarre messages about how I want you to die, all you have to do is go to your doctor (if you're too young to fall into the eligible age categories) and ask for a letter.

As for not being able to go out, if you're in Australia (which I think you are) there is hardly even any fucking virus. The last death was April 15th. There have been three deaths since October... that's three deaths in 8 months!

There are probably more deaths from refrigerators falling on people.

You won't wait until the vulnerable can be protected?

I continue to wait, even though (as @chinup agreed) vulnerable people have had more than enough time to be vaccinated.

How long are we supposed to wait?

Go get your jab.

If you've already had your jab, stop fucking worrying. The risk is extremely low.

 

[AutoTripper]

The problem in all three countries has been the same. It keeps getting re-imported. India is not a good comparison because they never did a full lockdown. My point was that if all countries had done a full lockdown like the three countries I mentioned, at the beginning of the pandemic, the whole thing could have been stopped in its tracks.

Look, I get the frustration about the continuing partial lockdowns. They are disruptive and impose hardship on people. My argument is that the partial lockdowns are a long term pain and drain which is a consequence of countries being unwilling to endure the short, sharp pain at the start of the pandemic of a full lockdown. It costs everyone more to do it this way. The genie was let out of the bottle because of a global unwillingness to do what it took to keep it in there.


Well, I didn't say we should tell people what to do. I'm saddened because people won't do what they are asked to do.


Frankly, this is bullshit and a deliberate misinterpretation of my argument. Societies are judged by how they treat their most vulnerable members - Ghandi. I raged against those that did not go through enough shit. The ones that refused to. The ones that won't lockdown. The ones that won't put on masks. The ones that won't get vaccines. Go and get your jab you say? What jab? There is no fucking jab for me to get! So I sit here, confined to my house because I can't go out even at the lowest level of lockdown, reading how those that can get the vaccine won't. You won't wait until the vulnerable can be protected? You've done too much for us? Say it then, say that we should be abandoned to die. At least put it in words so that you can plainly be judged for the consequences of your argument.

Totally honest question now, no criticism or questioning just curious, from an emotional angle, do you think you are angry at others you see as unwilling to take a sacrifice, because it sounds like you yourself have been forced to make difficult sacrifices against your will?

I don’t know more of your background sorry, jab status, ability to receive etc, so excuse if above is all mute.

 

[cduggles]

I’ll split off some of the off topic anti-government stuff that has nothing to do with COVID into another thread later.

 

[aemetha]

Totally honest question now, no criticism or questioning just curious, from an emotional angle, do you think you are angry at others you see as unwilling to take a sacrifice, because it sounds like you yourself have been forced to make difficult sacrifices

I Honestly understand why people are frustrated at the lockdowns. I am frustrated that people were so unwilling to do them properly once so we have to keep doing them. It's like choosing a slow drawn out death rather than amputating a limb. I'm also frustrated that people put ideology ahead of compassion. There's a lot of people railing against temporary loss of freedoms for people who aren't vulnerable. Okay, but isn't that a small thing against death? Same with the vaccine. Isn't it a small thing against people dying?

It really seems like some people have elevated individual freedom above people's lives in my position. That's ideology. Politics. We didn't used to be like this. We valued and admired charity and helping ones neighbors. Now that seems lost. In the grand scheme, if each individual had given just a little we could have resolved this pandemic with far less pain than we continue to endure.

I get angry when my feelings are dismissed or I'm accused of being on a high horse. That's really unfair. I'm not arguing for the sake of feeling morally superior. I'm arguing because I don't want to die and I don't want people in my position to die. Death is the greater harm in this situation, and to accuse me of being on a high horse or of minimizing the sacrifice others have made isn't just factually wrong, it's callous and indifferent. Basically it's low horse.

So yeah, I'm frustrated over the situation I'm in. I'm saddened because we, as a society, appear to be losing our humanity. I'm angry because some people dishonestly ascribe motivations to my valid feelings about this, or dismiss them altogether.

Thank you by the way for asking that the way you did. I can't put my finger on it, but it really did come across to me as a genuine attempt to see it from my perspective and I appreciate that.

 

[Buzz Lightbeer]

I'm saddened because we, as a society, appear to be losing our humanity.

Was there ever any humanity?

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

I feel like ppl, overall, did their best to chip in, but they can't keep doing it forever and then suffer when the government claims to have their back, and then things get delayed or whatever else

we're all in different positions....some ppl were totally fine with the lockdowns and were able to make things work...some weren't.....they're not letting you skip payments at the banks....you still owe them those months....like the deal with renters....you have to pay back all those months that you couldn't pay even tho you're not making the money you were before the plandemic to catch up....a lot of ppl are fucked and you wanna do more lockdowns to fuck them even more? that's why they're like "fuck you" and i hear where they're coming from

 

[aemetha]

To be clear. I don't want to do more lockdowns, never been my preferred choice. I feel like people in many places chose more lockdowns a long time ago by refusing the option of a single hard lockdown. Having missed that chance I just ask for people to continue with the choice that was made for long enough for people in my position to be vaccinated. Not asking for forever. I get the hardship. I have dealt with a great deal of it myself. What's the point of it though if we throw it all away with the finish line in sight?

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

To be clear. I don't want to do more lockdowns, never been my preferred choice. I feel like people in many places chose more lockdowns a long time ago by refusing the option of a single hard lockdown. Having missed that chance I just ask for people to continue with the choice that was made for long enough for people in my position to be vaccinated. Not asking for forever. I get the hardship. I have dealt with a great deal of it myself. What's the point of it though if we throw it all away with the finish line in sight?

we did do a hard lockdown here....all that did was delay the onset and slow the hospital admissions...which is all we really needed to do - not overwhelm the hospitals...and i think that mission was mostly accomplished here in the U.S.

i think we did the best we could overall with most everybody here...i dont fault anybody - it was coming no matter what....and now, we know how to better treat the symptoms than we did before.....one of them being to lay the patient prone....and many more things we picked up with time and learning things on the fly

china never said "hey lay the patient prone" - we had to figure that out ourselves - they never said hey try this or try that....they were useless through most of this....and you're over there patting them on the back like they did a great job through all of this, when they clearly didn't - only thing they did well was continue to lie - that's it

 

[birdup.snaildown]

@aemetha

It really seems like some people have elevated individual freedom above people's lives

Everybody prioritizes freedom over other people's lives, otherwise nobody would drive a car. We can't prevent all death.

You're not the only person I've met who is frustrated by people breaking the rules. My parents (particularly my mum) constantly complain about people not wearing masks. I keep telling her, it doesn't matter. We don't need everyone to wear them.

You're disappointed in Australians; I'm proud of them. It's a glass half empty thing with you. You're focusing on the negatives. People have largely done the right thing in this country and it has worked. Like I said, we've had three deaths in eight months. If that's not good enough for you, your standards are impossibly high.

I get angry when my feelings are dismissed or I'm accused of being on a high horse. That's really unfair.

Dude, you're repeatedly stating that other people don't value human life. You sent me three private messages telling me that I want you to die.

I'm not arguing for the sake of feeling morally superior. I'm arguing because I don't want to die and I don't want people in my position to die.

There is no reason to assume you are going to die.

It really seems like some people have elevated individual freedom above people's lives in my position. That's ideology. Politics. We didn't used to be like this. We valued and admired charity and helping ones neighbors. Now that seems lost.

You have a strangely idealistic perspective of the past.

 

[birdup.snaildown]

To be clear. I don't want to do more lockdowns

What do you want? What sacrifices should people make?

I just ask for people to continue with the choice that was made for long enough for people in my position to be vaccinated. Not asking for forever.

So you do want more lockdowns, but not "forever". How long then? Why haven't you already been vaccinated?

My wife asked me when I got home from work if she should be vaccinated with AZ because they widened eligibility this morning. My answer was no. My daughter is still breastfeeding. My wife may be pregnant. If not, she will be soon.

If that makes me a murderer, so be it.

 

[birdup.snaildown]

ScoMo said yesterday we should put a cap on returned visitors rather than doing more lockdowns. How about we just put a fucking stop to people coming in this country? We had cases at zero. Somehow the government keeps fucking up quarantine. Australia doesn't share borders with any other country. All outbreaks are governmental failures. Where is the accountability? Why aren't the quarantine facilities full-blown underground facilities with staff wearing hazmat suits?

People have had long enough to return to Australia. If you desperately want to travel during a pandemic, then you can stay out as far as I'm concerned.

 

[aemetha]

What do you want?

To make the vulnerable safe before advocating controls. I don't want more lockdowns, but they are a consequence of previous choices. I certainly don't want them forever like was suggested earlier. I want to hold the course and let vulnerable people get their vaccines.

You're disappointed in Australians; I'm proud of them. It's a glass half empty thing with you.

I said what??? Seriously, stop trying to find hidden messages in what I say. I said I was disappointed in the people who didn't wear masks, didn't lockdown, won't get vaccinated etc. I never said anything about Australians. In fact, I held up Australia as a country that did things well. Honestly, it's really hard to talk to you sometimes because you seem to go out of your way to find something I didn't ever say in my words.

Dude, you're repeatedly stating that other people don't value human life. You sent me three private messages telling me that I want you to die.

Again, missing context. I sent you messages explaining that when you advocate for actions, the consequences of which are my likely death, that makes me feel like that. You said you don't want to talk about it. So don't. Just don't go repeating what I said, incorrectly, when it's clear you don't want to understand it. Don't go speculating, incorrectly, about my motivation for my posts.

 

[birdup.snaildown]

You're disappointed in Australians; I'm proud of them. It's a glass half empty thing with you.

I said what??? Seriously, stop trying to find hidden messages in what I say. I said I was disappointed in the people who didn't wear masks, didn't lockdown, won't get vaccinated etc. I never said anything about Australians. In fact, I held up Australia as a country that did things well. Honestly, it's really hard to talk to you sometimes because you seem to go out of your way to find something I didn't ever say in my words.

You've repeatedly said that you're frustrated with people in Australia. I didn't say you're disappointed with all Australians.

I'm also frustrated that people put ideology ahead of compassion.

It really seems like some people have elevated individual freedom above people's lives

Cheer up, Charlie.
Count your blessings.

Again, missing context. I sent you messages explaining that when you advocate for actions, the consequences of which are my likely death, that makes me feel like that. You said you don't want to talk about it. So don't. Just don't go repeating what I said, incorrectly, when it's clear you don't want to understand it. Don't go speculating, incorrectly, about my motivation for my posts.[

It's funny how the tone of your private messages was massively different from the tone of your posts in here. I told you I didn't want to continue having the private conversation with you because you kept making outrageous comments and saying stuff like how your son deserves a father.

I don't lack compassion and I don't appreciate being told otherwise. I'm a nice person. I have sacrificed a lot for vulnerable people already.

You still haven't explained why you aren't vaccinated yet?

Have you had the first jab, at least?

If not, why not?

Put your cards on the table if you're going to question the moral integrity of others.

What do you want?

To make the vulnerable safe before advocating controls. I don't want more lockdowns, but they are a consequence of previous choices. I certainly don't want them forever like was suggested earlier. I want to hold the course and let vulnerable people get their vaccines.

You've had enough time.

 

[aemetha]

You still haven't explained why you aren't vaccinated yet?

Have you had the first jab, at least?

If not, why not?

Put your cards on the table if you're going to question the moral integrity of others.

Already did. Again, your reading comprehension is lacking.

I don't lack compassion and I don't appreciate being told otherwise. I'm a nice person. I have sacrificed a lot for vulnerable people already.

You don't appreciate it? Very sad. You said a whole bunch of things I don't appreciate too. Thing is, the ones I said were linked to things you said and the ones you said were figments of your imagination so I have little sympathy.

You've had enough time.

Oh really? So where's my fucking vaccine? Did I miss the call? Nope. THEY AREN'T FUCKING HERE YET!

 

[birdup.snaildown]

@aemetha

I challenge you to compile a list of offensive things I've said to you and I will do the same. Let's see who has the longer list. I honestly couldn't be fucked doing this and I find this weird feud you have with me extremely tedious, but I will do it to prove a point.

Again, put your cards on the table.

Here's another one from you.

your reading comprehension is lacking

I said "high horse". You told me I advocate murder. @chinup told numerous people here they basically are murderers. How is us telling you that you're virtue signalling worse than you telling us we lack compassion and don't care about human life?

Now my reading comprehension is lacking? Maybe it is. Frankly, I've consumed a lot of drugs in my lifetime. I've definitely fried a braincell or two. It's 3PM and I'm rapidly drinking my way through my second long neck of Coopers Pale Ale. I just had a joint and I'm rolling another one...

Maybe I misread something, but you don't have to rake me over the coals. I'm honestly not invested at all emotionally in our recent interactions. I find them annoying mainly because I am compelled to respond because I like you.

Oh really? So where's my fucking vaccine? Did I miss the call? Nope. THEY AREN'T FUCKING HERE YET!

I'm not trying to be mean, I just genuinely don't understand how you fit into this puzzle. You said you're vulnerable. If you're vulnerable then you would be eligible during 1A of the rollout. I got my jab literally on the second day of 1B (the first day was booked out by the time I called) and now it has been three or four weeks since my second jab. So, I'm fully vaccinated.

If you're going to accuse people of lacking compassion and advocating murder, you need to explain the situation better because I don't understand. Maybe that's because I'm stupid. I don't care. There are stupid people in the world. They deserve to be treated like everyone else. I'm just asking you simple questions.

 

[AutoTripper]

I Honestly understand why people are frustrated at the lockdowns. I am frustrated that people were so unwilling to do them properly once so we have to keep doing them. It's like choosing a slow drawn out death rather than amputating a limb. I'm also frustrated that people put ideology ahead of compassion. There's a lot of people railing against temporary loss of freedoms for people who aren't vulnerable. Okay, but isn't that a small thing against death? Same with the vaccine. Isn't it a small thing against people dying?

It really seems like some people have elevated individual freedom above people's lives in my position. That's ideology. Politics. We didn't used to be like this. We valued and admired charity and helping ones neighbors. Now that seems lost. In the grand scheme, if each individual had given just a little we could have resolved this pandemic with far less pain than we continue to endure.

I get angry when my feelings are dismissed or I'm accused of being on a high horse. That's really unfair. I'm not arguing for the sake of feeling morally superior. I'm arguing because I don't want to die and I don't want people in my position to die. Death is the greater harm in this situation, and to accuse me of being on a high horse or of minimizing the sacrifice others have made isn't just factually wrong, it's callous and indifferent. Basically it's low horse.

So yeah, I'm frustrated over the situation I'm in. I'm saddened because we, as a society, appear to be losing our humanity. I'm angry because some people dishonestly ascribe motivations to my valid feelings about this, or dismiss them altogether.

Thank you by the way for asking that the way you did. I can't put my finger on it, but it really did come across to me as a genuine attempt to see it from my perspective and I appreciate that.

Hi, thank you for saying thank you, I really am trying to maintain good will we need some sort of solidarity on some level, we are all feeling the hardship and strain, and we all need support.

It was indeed a genuine query, not poking a finger. Im just trying to understand better how you are feeling.

So Im just musing here, I don’t have any answers, just thoughts and experience.

So you say, your position. I assume you mean vulnerable, maybe immune compromised?

If that’s what you mean, then I too am in your position, massively immune compromised, permanent severe multiple recurring respiratory infections.

I can treat everything, overcome it all, but I can’t stop the revolving doors and new arrivals, it’s treading water with grit, determination and incredible ingenuity. So much energy and pain but I can do it if I just keep to protocol, though I’ve lost my head obviously in that I need to get control and discipline back n my life, diet stricter for starts, drug usage to address, would save me a lot of pain and struggle.

So I’ve such an insufficient immune system, specifically at preventing new respiratory, or any infections.

I’m a real sitting duck. Hence my passion for sharing my longterm, detailed experience with so many different infections, learning amazing ways to treat, lower, clear, saving my life every single week, 90 % better life quality, breathing wise alone, vs if I did not apply the protocols I have to religiously, to keep “rolling over”.

And just to bear living. Here is an example, maybe an insight for some as to why I’m so nutty, this an essential daily event, a basic survival task, like toileting, and hydration.

Using essential oils and steam inhalation, a variety of antimicrobial anti-catarrhal supplements/remedies either side and around the clock. About 25 non stop minutes each daytime steam itself, following 40 minutes of coconut oil Oil Pulling- amazing for asthma, allergies, mucus, infections, this is how effective the essential oils and routine is, 100% here is evacuated from my airways.

An entire cup full. First 3 photos was Friday morning. I start, suffocating so bad from allergy and infection mucus which has to be cleared or it’s double the next day, and this day is unliveable.

Photo 4 & 5 are 24 normal living hours later, Saturday morning same deal again, it’s the most torturous thing but the relief is a 90% increase in breathing ability and comfort:








Shot 5 is higher in mucus because shot 4 is immediately after the steam inhalation, I brush teeth first as the microbes and catarrh evacuated from deep can smell, then I take vitamin C powder, which is fantastic at dissolving all upper respiratory mucus for instant expectoration, so it flushes the pipes of lingering, post steam sticky residue.

Takes another 2 minutes mouth open blowing floods of mucus out into the cup.

Then oil of oregano, finally an asthma inhaler, used strategically and minimally in sync with all else. Then Im free to begin my day, get washed, but it’s a good 3 hours in then and I’m both physically exhausted and it is actually traumatic, the acute pain of peppermint oil menthol forcing the catarrh up.

For 16 years now. If I don’t do everything possible, any old infection would debilitate me at the least, odds on kill me.

I know my stuff here, from experience and my life depending on it.

So, I too, have had Covid. Twice. You may or may not have read. Last September it was purely respiratory, being localised.

It struck bad, but vs Coxsackie viruses, the respiratory Covid responded much faster to electromedicine and general protocol.

I overcame it rapidly, better every day, gone in a week, no damage done, and I was never close to death.

Without the electromedicine though, I can’t say.

Even before Covid, with my own level of immunocompromisation, I could not have lived without this treatment.

So, you don’t have this same level of powerful artillery to hit any infection with yourself, any time you are awake, without need for supervision (assistance can be provided if needed), at home, for the cost of batteries only.

Nor Im guessing such a substantial array of powerful alternative remedies.

So, without all of that, I wouldn’t be afraid, I wouldn’t be alive. 100 %.

So I can actually empathise, and hence your anger and protest is understandable to me.

I’m not making any actual point here, just sharing in pure honesty.

Now, I have long Covid. Except I’ve been treating it with genuinely effective homeopathy with which I even fully cleared Borrelia in 2.5 years from my entire body, nervous system and brain, so I’m feeling the long Covid, in my nerves, is still there, just much lower and it won’t come back up outside new infection which is inevitable.

I will be re-tested in July, get a precise picture of every specific infection, location, and level. I also incurred substantial nerve, and nerve ending damage from the Covid in my nerves simultaneously with 2 neurological based Coxsackie viruses which have been attacking my nerves for over a decade, already sabotaged by the Borrelia (“Cause” of Lyme but not Lyme itself.)

All said, I have no reason not to expect a full recovery from Covid, the homeopathy is capable of healing the nerve damage too, is doing so already.

I will surely be contracting Covid again. I don’t believe immunity is ever really acquired. My mum and I have had it twice officially,

I heard a very reliable report from a therapist of a lady who has had Covid about 10 times.

Strengthening our immune system is the way to go. Having effective treatment at hand. And always hygiene.

I HAVE been offered the vaccine. I’m personally a million times more afraid of the vaccine sabotaging my health and immune system completely via an adverse reaction, which I’m abnormally prone to. This is a real possibility.

I’ve also had Covid, two conditions there where vaccines have unpredictable risks,
If I was jabbed, I’d keep no hope at all at regaining better health and a fuller life ever, for which I’ve worked so hard for so long.

It would destroy my will and hope. I’d obviously keep on, but I can just scrape by now I can’t risk an adverse reaction I just won’t handle it.

But I have gained 15 kg’s in 2 years, from a critical 50 kg’s and dropping.

Im making steps forward despite living still feeling like a torture machine much the time, just gotta keep on.

Covid is very very survivable though @aemetha is maybe my point here, but I am so lucky to have the right artillery on hand.

I would hope to keep future Covid infections out of my nerves, no long Covid and nerve damage that way, and quick for me to treat the lungs.

My future does not hang in the balance one bit because of these two Covid cases. It’s all to play for as much as before.

So, finally, as I pretty much don’t give a damn fuck anymore lol, life is short, and I hate living in fear and secrecy, after that Saturday morning steam clearance above, hardly slept before an appointment and still well cained from weed, kava and Etizolam, you see, for 41 years and a gazillion megabytes of hallucinogens, all the conditions and abnormalities I describe including the Covid’s, I’m looking remarkably alive I think. And to my eyes, like the true acid head I am still catching up on last month’s integration, no joke. It doesn’t even show the ridiculous benzo usage level either,

Just showered Saturday right after the steam etc:

 

[AutoTripper]

There is no reason to assume you are going to die.

Indeed, no reason to assume. I don’t assume I will be run over by a car but it could happen.

It’s the media again though. Fear has been drilled into people more than ever in history potentially, collectively, if we had a guager counter for it.

The media could be a bit more encouraging on this though I do wish. Is it not statistically, by fact and record, still high 98 + % survivability rate?

On paper. With even those recorded deaths, every one of them, “with” Covid.

Is this not accurate? Because that would be worth keeping sight of. A hopeful message. It could reduce some fears.

 

[AutoTripper]

This man I have known about for decades and have mostly agreed with as far as I can comment.

I won’t consider him propaganda. There is a difference between propaganda and misinformation too.

“STORY AT-A-GLANCE

While Pfizer claims its vaccine is 95% effective, this is the relative risk reduction. The absolute risk reduction — which is far more relevant for public health measures — is actually less than 1%

While benefits from COVID “vaccination” in children between the ages of 12 and 15 are rare and short-lived, side effects are common and long-term effects are completely unknown

In the 12-to-15 age group, 75.5% experienced headache, along with a long list of other transient side effects. Serious systemic adverse events occurred in 2.4% of the trial subjects receiving Pfizer’s mRNA shot

While Pfizer boasted a 100% efficacy rate in 12- to 15-year-olds, this conclusion is a statistical trick. Fewer than 2% of fully vaccinated children avoided COVID-19; 98% of them would not have gotten COVID anyway. So, the benefit is small

Even if vaccinating children were found to reduce infection among adults, it would be unethical and against regulations to do so, because the FDA can only authorize the use of a medical product in a given population if the benefit outweighs the risk in that same population, and in children the benefits do not outweigh the risks.”

(I can’t post the link, something prevents this site being posted around. I’ll see if I can find a way around it).


And interesting too is this U.K. government’s (better safe than sorry??) apparent anticipation, expectation of a large number of potential dead bodies.

I was under the impression that the curve was pretty flattened, and “with the vaccine rollout going SO well…” as was repeated in exclamation all over media until suddenly lockdown didn’t end in June….where are these deaths anticipated to come from?

Variants? 3rd, 4th, 5th waves?

Or some other casualties? And this is propaganda proof this one at least.

Okay, I tried to post the direct link to the UK Gov’s website but something just won’t let me post this. So…