AutoTripper said:
Not intentionally. And I think my point still has some basis.
Intention doesn't matter a damn to those affected, only to the perpetrator.
heh, I'm just trying to be super clear so there's as little room for misinterpretation or hurt feelings as possible, I'm never intentionally condescending"Not to sound condescending or anything...."
that's really how you need to start every post
Given one can drive a tank through the ambiguity and dissonance in “arguments” so often presented here I think your precision is to be commended.heh, I'm just trying to be super clear so there's as little room for misinterpretation or hurt feelings as possible, I'm never intentionally condescending
It's like some take even the slightest ambiguity to willfully misunderstand - my communication skills are on point mate - it's one of the only things I'm any good at!
heh, I'm just trying to be super clear so there's as little room for misinterpretation or hurt feelings as possible, I'm never intentionally condescending
It's like some take even the slightest ambiguity to willfully misunderstand - my communication skills are on point mate - it's one of the only things I'm any good at!
I’m not taking it personally rest assured. I could have added a caveat, because I knew that exact stone was likely to rebound, and given good odds I would have betted yourself might suggest it to me, and that’s just honesty and nothing personal or insinuating.
Indeed, it occurred to me that point too. Indeed, it can’t be all lies, or they would simply have no credibility.
The last time I was so naive to put any trust in the government was 1996. “Everything’s a con!” I repeated over and over walking home 3 miles from my posh school.
Well, I attempted no such thing
is it FUCK aaha, give your head a wobble man
I may have misunderstood. I saw your response as essentially normalizing what has happened because generally the government can be trusted. Thats why I found it a bit concerning because it doesnt factor in the many who have contrasting experiences. We dont need much evidence now of who or what that particular group is who has had those contrasting experiences because that group is now everybody, if we are to look behind the lines. The hidden voices that never got fair treatment or justice served now form the entire population who have been affected by the global pandemic. The silent minority of victims is now the silent majority of the worldwide population. If you put yourself in the shoes of those victims, you can see why it is hard to trust right now. This isnt a nuanced historical account of, say, ethnic discrimination and abuse at an immigration detention center. Something that spans a few binders in scope stored away for investigation by a governmental department. This is the scope of an entire global event that would run endless binders and that now has spanned to almost 2 years and affected everybody. This is a huge thing. This is more than what I would consider a generalization in that trust in government is 50/50. That argument doesnt hold when you actually seek to put yourself on the human level and witness the consequences of what has happened.
who said 50/50? nobody
The problem in all three countries has been the same. It keeps getting re-imported. India is not a good comparison because they never did a full lockdown. My point was that if all countries had done a full lockdown like the three countries I mentioned, at the beginning of the pandemic, the whole thing could have been stopped in its tracks.Yea ok - like China always tells the truth
NZ - those little islands? you wanna compare NZ to the USA? im not even sure who to compare them to....island nations should be doing well if you ask me
Australia....ya know why they're so afraid right now? because they're probably still due another wave and they know it...India was feeling great about themselves too back in January because they only had the 1 small wave...and then what happened? it's gonna do it's thing and the only thing lockdowns are doing are delaying it....and if you're delaying it because of hospital capacity, that's understood....
Well, I didn't say we should tell people what to do. I'm saddened because people won't do what they are asked to do.
Frankly, this is bullshit and a deliberate misinterpretation of my argument. Societies are judged by how they treat their most vulnerable members - Ghandi. I raged against those that did not go through enough shit. The ones that refused to. The ones that won't lockdown. The ones that won't put on masks. The ones that won't get vaccines. Go and get your jab you say? What jab? There is no fucking jab for me to get! So I sit here, confined to my house because I can't go out even at the lowest level of lockdown, reading how those that can get the vaccine won't. You won't wait until the vulnerable can be protected? You've done too much for us? Say it then, say that we should be abandoned to die. At least put it in words so that you can plainly be judged for the consequences of your argument.
I said 50/50. I hold my hand out and accept responsibility for making that assumption. That is the way it came across to me and I sought to tell you that so you knew I wasnt holding out against you as a show of my character and integrity, even if I made a mistake and it is revealed as such. Much better accepting responsibility for a mistake than trying to gloss it over and manipulate others into justifying it for you. I am seeking to better understand you because I am interested in being able to have a dialogue where the core issues are addressed so that everybody benefits. Its a human facet to get things wrong and to misintepret things and so we discuss it instead of going to war or assuming our beliefs are concrete without seeking to clarify our superficial assumptions.