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lol it still doesn't prove much tho.....

were they trying to make a bio-weapon? maybe....but whatever happened, i still think it was an accident....i think it came out of the lab but they're never going to admit it with so much liability at stake.....i think it had to come out of the virology lab - i mean your playing with bat viruses at a lab from bats that live 1000 miles away and that's ground zero, so where else could it be from? does anybody actually think it didn't come from that lab?
[people] on these fourms still believe it didn't come out of the lab and still believe it acutally came from somebody eating a bat lmao. Thats even more wild to believe it came from a food market than a lab. The fucking bats were never found anywhere near that seafood market. I repeat a fucking seafood market they dont sell fucking land animals at a seafood market
 
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@finitelifeform

Do you know how vaccines work yet? Are you willing to concede you were wrong about the COVID vaccines not providing immunity and not being vaccines?



Indeed.
I'm just wondering why you are so adamant on convincing me to get onboard with your beliefs. I find it troubling that you feel entitled to attempt to control another human being so badly and with so much conviction. I can see that you really want this from me. You want something from me.

What are you seeking exactly? And what do you get out of it? Moreover, what do you think the end result will be? The way I see it I have to change myself for you while you dont have to change at all. I have to give myself up to you while potentially corrupting myself in the process. I am saying this while we dont know each other personally and before this interaction had no prior connection. I feel pressured to comply in order to sooth your desire to feel in control. Why do you need to be in control? Why do you need to control other people so much? I also understand that perhaps you arent doing this for yourself solely but because of something bigger than yourself, an ideology, a movement, a political and/or religious allegiance.

When I look at it like that it looks immensely dark and violent. Wouldnt you agree? Trying to take something from someone else so you can fufill your own motives and please yourself. Do you not seek to understand how that potentially makes me feel? Or how it makes others feel?

There are certain things that are universal and one of those things is autonomy and boundaries of the individual. These are expressed in many different ways both internally and assumed otherwise. Encroaching political persecution is one very key element involved in boundary violations of the individual, or of marginalized groups. It usually leads to other types of violence; physical, sexual, mental etc. And because these groups are not recognized as being real people (because they are dehumanized and excluded from society their treatment is considered acceptable). This is a well studied area, by the way. It is weaponized in many ways. Do you like hurting people in this way because the current belief is it is okay? We said that about black people. We said that about women. About gay people. We said about disabled people. We have hurt lots of people over the years and we are still fixing that to this day. All those people were in a similiar position and at the time it was very real that these groups were a threat.

I'm just wondering whether you are aware of how complicit you might be in all of this and whether you are aware of how many people you may be hurting? How does this make you feel? I know it would hurt me. I couldnt bring myself to let this corrupt me and turn me against others. You cant easily get that back, as history shows.

Why do you want this so bad? To cause pain to others? To hurt others? Do you get satisfaction out of knowing you are trying to violate me? Dont you want to live in a sociable world where we try to get along and seek to maintain peace? Dont you realize that by doing things like this none of the abovementioned can happen?

Dont you realize that by you doing this to me it is also done to you? Because you reinforce what you put out into the world and so that is the world you live in. You reap what you sow. And you can never be happy or find peace when the root cause of your issues is the fact that you can never ever seek to get fufilment in life by doing things that do the opposite.

This isnt a one sided thing. What you do has a consequence and although it seems like you are exempt from experiencing that consequence because you believe by taking it out on me you somehow solve the issue. The issue however still exists and while you hurt me you also hurt yourself. Why? Because hurting people doesnt stop you from hurting. You want something right now to fill an immediate need but what you get soon fades away and so you are out trying to fill that need again, and again and again. Its like beating your partner. Sure, might feel good at the time. You might even think they deserve it. But now youve set the ball rolling and created a new set of issues. Youve created a fire that will slowly start to engulf you. Which means more hurt, hate, anonymosity, malice, bitterness, anger, guilt, shame, emptiness, sadness.

An integrated society doesnt do things like this. Nor does an integrated individual in that society. We dont solve issues by causing more of them.

Whatever pain you have inside, I truly wish to understand what that is. Just know this idea of whatever person you have in your head who represents these beliefs of yours that threaten you, is something you as an adult must become responsible and seek to transform into something that enables us to transcend these issues. Perhaps then we will be able to heal each other.

Have a good evening
 
there you go being violent again :)
I understand you may not be aware of what violence entails. I dont mind helping you to understand it a little better. It is not just physical but can take varying forms, sometimes more subtle. Controlling behaviour is a form of violence. As is passive aggressive behaviour, invalidating, rejecting, peer pressure, mocking, condescending, patronising, bullying, blaming, scapegoating, guilt tripping/gaslighting etc.

Its a common misconception that violence means hitting someone, or worse. It could be something seemingly trivial but has harmful consequences for the other person. You could tell someone their hair isnt on point today. You could criticize your child and not realize that what you said stuck with them. You could be passive aggressive and standoffish with someone you speak to not realizing you are threatening this other person. You could judge somebody too critically and without any basis and break their trust. You could seek to smother someones perceptions of something in order to not have to share contrasting beliefs because you are uncomfortable with how they see something.

We can all relate to these examples.
And we have all been affected by them, no matter how much or even, how well, we may have repressed them.
 
This is a thread about COVID. Off topic posts will be edited or deleted.

As the full rainbow of opinions on display here shows, you have every right to your own. But this is supposed to be a forum for civil discussion, dammit.

Read the guidelines, be nicer to each other (no matter how crazy you think someone is), and stay on topic. Thanks.
 
I understand you may not be aware of what violence entails. I dont mind helping you to understand it a little better. It is not just physical but can take varying forms, sometimes more subtle. Controlling behaviour is a form of violence. As is passive aggressive behaviour, invalidating, rejecting, peer pressure, mocking, condescending, patronising, bullying, blaming, scapegoating, guilt tripping/gaslighting etc.

Its a common misconception that violence means hitting someone, or worse. It could be something seemingly trivial but has harmful consequences for the other person. You could tell someone their hair isnt on point today. You could criticize your child and not realize that what you said stuck with them. You could be passive aggressive and standoffish with someone you speak to not realizing you are threatening this other person. You could judge somebody too critically and without any basis and break their trust. You could seek to smother someones perceptions of something in order to not have to share contrasting beliefs because you are uncomfortable with how they see something.

We can all relate to these examples.
And we have all been affected by them, no matter how much or even, how well, we may have repressed them.

im not a fan of the "vaccines" either so we're kinda on the same side although i don't agree with some of what you've posted....i just think it's funny that you're saying they're violent and im looking forward to when chinup sees you said she was using violence lol
 
This is a thread about COVID. Off topic posts will be edited or deleted.

As the full rainbow of opinions on display here shows, you have every right to your own. But this is supposed to be a forum for civil discussion, dammit.

Read the guidelines, be nicer to each other (no matter how crazy you think someone is), and stay on topic. Thanks.

you should talk to your co-worker FUBAR over there, calling ppl "cunts" and "dim-witted"....fuck that guy
 
finitelifeform said:
I'm just wondering why you are so adamant on convincing me to get onboard with your beliefs. I find it troubling that you feel entitled to attempt to control another human being so badly and with so much conviction. I can see that you really want this from me. You want something from me.

They are not my beliefs. They are facts. If you're going to spend time discussing vaccines on the internet, you should probably do some reading and establish a basic understanding of how they work. Clearly you don't want to do that, for whatever reason. That's up to you, obviously.

I'm not trying to control you any more than you are trying to "control" other people here by telling them that vaccines are not vaccines.

finitelifeform said:
When I look at it like that it looks immensely dark and violent. Wouldnt you agree?

No. What I'm doing isn't violent at all, let alone immensely so. You should refamiliarize yourself with the definition of both violence and vaccines. They are under "v" in the dictionary.
 
Violence is the use of physical force so as to injure, abuse, damage, or destroy.[2] Other definitions are also used, such as the World Health Organization's definition of violence as "the intentional use of physical force or power, threatened[3] or actual, against oneself, another person, or against a group or community, which either results in or has a high likelihood of resulting in injury, death, psychological harm, maldevelopment, or deprivation.


im sorry - im just not seeing anything violent by being for or against the shots....i really think it's a funny/weird thing to be accusing anybody of over a debate

i was accused of workplace violence one time by saying "fuck you" to a co-worker...i was challenging the accusation but before it was settled, i quit and got a new job, so i dont know how that would've ended....but that's not even happening here...it's just holding your ground in what you believe in....thats not violence lol
 
I don't think the point, from almost the outset, of the vaccination campaigns is to eradicate covid. The point is to keep the hospitals from being so overrun that they are unable to treat people who should be able to survive the infection until such a time as there is sufficient immunity developed in the population that we can deal with it as an endemic pathogen.
You make a good point here. And something which I think has been largely forgotten about and/or misinterpreted insofar as these vaccines are concerned. I knew better i.e. I simply forgot (call it "pandemic fatigue and confusion syndrome" if you will).

These things were never designed, nor meant, to totally immunize against, nor totally eradicate, the virus. Their function is to provoke or encourage a natural immune response in the event of infection by the real thing and thereby reducing the severity of the symptoms and infections in the hope that only the sickest of the sick require hospitalization. The rest is still up to our own immune systems and their reponse.

While the above statements may not be 100% technically correct (I cannot honestly say I've taken that much of an interest in vaccines generally speaking) maybe therein lies the problem and why people are being nasty to each other and firing missiles at each other on this topic. Expectations too high maybe? Point being this isn't Measles or Smallpox or Polio (the expectation being that once vaccinated you're immune type of thing).

I'm sure your point has been made somewhere before within the last 209 pages of this thread. Good reminder though.

Mind you. We're crowing about the supposed eradication of Smallpox. Methinks it's only a matter of time before somebody kicks the wrong stone or digs up the wrong carcass... 💀 🤣 And doesn't Anthrax live like forever?

Must admit: since this all started I've wondered to myself how people would react if this thing was like Ebola (which I do indeed have a keen interest in) with wings! My guess is that there'd be no arguing as to whether or not to wear a full wet suit i.e. it'd just be a question of which make! 🤣 And for damn sure nobody would be squealing about freedom and liberty.

And once again there ends my motivational and uplifting post for the day! 😁
 
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The whole point of vaccines is to wipe out covid eventually. Covid will be around forever though always mutating. So now its like influenza shots each year. You will need your yearly covid shots to stay safe as this bioweapon spreads on a mass scale unstoppable in its ever going mutations to get past our best defenses. There is now a delta plus variant been detected that has evolved even past the south African strain. Look at the rising numbers in the UK with delta. Lots of people are vaccinated and still spreading it. People can deny it as long as possible but its only increasing look each day its going to escalte till we have to admits it is a true problem. I believe this information will be reveleaed by the end of the year to be real delaying the world opening for at least another 1 year. In china everybody now believes covid came from america. The CCP is controlling them. This is a masssive cover up and those deleted gene files does not look good. The world is crazy you can not write a crazier movie than this shit that is playing out in the modern world. Donald trump was right all along. And no 1 believed him because of the fake news. Nows its proven its from the lab and people are still denying this.

Pzifer is the most effective vaccine and i would recommend everybody get it because this bioweapon covid-19 is dangerous and is only evolving at higher rates. But even then keep good hygiene up.
 
im not a fan of the "vaccines" either so we're kinda on the same side although i don't agree with some of what you've posted....i just think it's funny that you're saying they're violent and im looking forward to when chinup sees you said she was using violence lol
i think you covered that one perfectly. the mind just boggles really. it reminds me of some sociologist friends talking about 'rape in the online space,' i had to leave the room and do my ptsd in peace for that one.

i'm now wondering if FLF thinks the government is abusive because they tell you to eat fruit and veg, drink water, wear a seatbelt, and will put you in prison for drinking and driving.
[people] on these fourms still believe it didn't come out of the lab and still believe it acutally came from somebody eating a bat lmao. Thats even more wild to believe it came from a food market than a lab. The fucking bats were never found anywhere near that seafood market. I repeat a fucking seafood market they dont sell fucking land animals at a seafood market

i don't think anyone with half a brain on this forum is saying anything definitive about where this virus came form because it is not known. the closest bat coronavirus to date was found in 2013 and if you assume that it evolved naturally from that at the same rate sars-cov2 is evolving today, then there simply wasn't time. forced evolution via mutagenic processes would leave distinct artifacts in the genome, forced evolution though animals with similar respiritory systems (civets or ferrets) would have distinct host signatures, because microbial genomes evolve towards their host genomes to evade the host immune system. so though i am not completely sure that the lab leak theory is untrue, i don't see how it can have happened and leave no signatures in the genome (which i've been analysing for my job since january, if you have a signature, show it to me and i'll resign). given that many close collaborators with scientists in the WIV have come out and stated that they do not think a lab leak is likely, i defer to their expertise.

if you recall, i was firmly anti-lab leak, but after extensive discussion with someone better at articulating their arguments than you, i have changed my opinion to 'more data needed but still unlikely.' consider this if your aim is to genuinely convince people of your beliefs.

we are now finding similar coronaviruses just by researchers checking samples in their freezers in japan, south east asia, all over the place. so it seems to me that a group of extensively similar viruses has been floating around over basically the whole of asia for nearly a decade. given that, eventual zoonosis seems inevitable. i don't know what work has been done to sequence the viromes of bats in wuhan, but that is what you'd need to do to find the actual reservoir that it jumped from, were covid of natural origin. just because the closest relative found so far was 1000 miles away, it doesn't mean that that IS the closest relative.
 
I will believe it to be natural the day they put the animal that they can 100% prove it jumped from a bat to that animal to then us. Till that day i will of my free thought will believe it to be a man made engineered sars 1 virus to covid 19. that was a accidental lab leak when the employees got infected and then drove to the seafood market to get dinner. This is a story that was proven to be verifed by the mi-5 that is UK top forgien intelligence. The CIA is in deep way deeper shit than normal people if you think its crazy its a lab virus the cia does not believe its crazy the cia has way worse shit out there they could unleash on us from american bioweapon vaults. the cia is a cartel that controls the flow of information within the world. They have blackmails on many scientists linked to epistein like steven hawking, and then people like bill gates bill clinton trump, all these other people aswell.

Epstein was in deep and he got popped. If you know to much about the Government they will make you disappear. This is a reality of the planet earth we live on. The true powers at play are the ones who hold all the information. And remeber those who tried to escape wuhan with this lab knowledge info were later found dead. This info cost those freedom fighters their lives. and now its getting more likely each day it was from the lab. the information is coming to light. But they do not want to worry the general populace about it been a bioengineered virus. They were working on human transmission studies with bat viruses at wuhan. Its pretty clear there is a large amount of risk involved in such research. So here we are today just living it out with this virus that is ever evolving as i speak. Who knows what is around the corner mother nature is random. This virus is smarter than humans its ancient and then given modern upgrades by humans. This is the greatest human battle ever faced by many generations but it pales in comparsion to world war 2. People just have to live with the virus from now on once the vaccines are given to us.

We will have to wait for more research to conclude the truth. The CIA and MI5 and working on this and will be displaying said proof soon i believe by the end of the year.
 
@TripSitterNZ

If it did indeed come from a lab (as @chinup said, we don't know) proving it will accomplish what other than potentially starting a war with China?

Do we expect them to be accountable?
i expect them to admit it and not be held accountable. Because we know they will never pay up. But idc i just want this stupid virus fucking wiped out. And i expect these pharma companies to be liable for damages if the vaccine harms you or kill yous. even if its very rare. it is unfair they make all this money and u just die and ur family is fucked forevrer. thats messed up. People need to wake up to the true realities of this dark world. We walk among snakes the entire news and media is fake the movies are fake. the system was founded on lies. We must invent a new system to ensure equality across the planet.

The should pay up but it wont happen. It will be proven and then from that day on the government of the CCP should consider whenever they want to face off to america.
 
They are not my beliefs. They are facts. If you're going to spend time discussing vaccines on the internet, you should probably do some reading and establish a basic understanding of how they work. Clearly you don't want to do that, for whatever reason. That's up to you, obviously.

I'm not trying to control you any more than you are trying to "control" other people here by telling them that vaccines are not vaccines.



No. What I'm doing isn't violent at all, let alone immensely so. You should refamiliarize yourself with the definition of both violence and vaccines. They are under "v" in the dictionary.

You believe they are facts and you want me to not question this, and you also assume I havent done any research. At the same time you are trying very hard to ensure I dont question what you are saying. Why is that? Why cant we have contrasting perspectives? I dont want to change my perspective and I wont. We can discuss this by all means but my perspective wont change. You firmly stand by your perspective. I firmly stand by mine. It is your irrational belief that by me having my perspective I harm you. I have yet to see the evidence for that or for the times when the very same irrational tribalistic reaction was invoked in another. You are not in any danger.

Violence in this way is your will to try and control me and my perceptions. You would really like me to see the world like you and for myself to be controlled by the current narrative which is, like many, just another political narrative. Therefore you are doing the work of those who brainwashed you into assuming I am a threat. Can you not see how insane that is? We have never met! And probably never will but we are sucked into this toxic standoff over a narrative that only a few years ago would have had us both locked up in a psychiatric ward and evaluated for a psychotic disorder.

Here in the UK its been a psychological war against the population, admitted by SPI-B who are the people behind the applied behavioural psychology used to scare the living sh*t out of the population. All while, I might add, every single projection made that got us into national lockdowns never came to light. So SPI-B scared people for what? If the data has been grossly inaccurate every single time, why are the government breaking down citizens?

In not one instance were the criteria met for national lockdowns or any of the authoritarian measures put in place. Its sad to see our own politicians didnt fight this despite a small minority who opposed. It just sailed on through and even though most people now dont take seriously the life threatening scaremongering narrative, people are so traumatized they struggle to take any sort of action. People are frozen in time, in fight, freeze or flight. And yet we are steaming ahead with a new normal that has/is reshaping the economy, bringing in vaccine passports that WILL become universal IDs tied to everything, completely broken down the normal lives of everybody and destroyed the lives of many. It all ties in with various underlying agendas to bring closer agreements to fufill sustainability requirements, all of which are going to change how everybody lives their lives.

To top it off, we are now told to take a "vaccine" to apparently rid ourselves of all this when the agendas are still being fulfilled. These agendas will be fulfilled and when people are released from their stupor and their suspension from reality, they will be living in a different world.

So I ask, why the need to "vaccinate" against that? Why be distracted by the virus narrative when the REAL virus is the fundamental changes to our reality, society and functioning within those aspects? Unless you simply want to be asleep while it all happens, it is wise to be conscious and present to it unfolding so you are decisions and your life is directed in the best possible way for you.

That is the path I choose, which is why I will not subscribe to your beliefs. I respect what you have to say but I do not agree nor will I promote what you are doing, directly or indirectly. I want us all to live together and pretty much just get back to how things were before all this happened. You know? Before the fear of death, hysteria and paranoia wreaked havoc on peoples minds. Minds like yours and minds like mine. I choose not to live like that and I dont want you to live like that either.

And thats why I say violence because if I choose not to be sucked into your sickness and you force me to be sucked into that darkness, isnt that violence? Isnt that like forcing me to have sex with you or take a drug I dont want to take? How far does it have to go? Dont you see the implications. Take this back a few years ago and you would like be investigated by the police and potentially evaluated by a psychiatrist. And what is worse is you REALLY believe my world is your world and there is no seperation between the two and that is quite dangerous. Wouldnt you agree? After all, your world IS my world and so I might as well BE you. So what am I worth? To you? To society? Moreover, what are you worth? You cant be worth much if your worth is judged by your allegiance to ideology. If you detract you too will no longer be worthy.

Expendable. A political pawn devoid of humanity used to appease and promote the agendas of politicians, scientists, so-called "experts" and the disillusioned and sick who do not know what they say or do. Thrown away as quick as you were put on a pedastal. I think you have to be careful what you believe and how you act on those beliefs because they can sometimes belong to something or someone other than yourself. We run on auto-pilot everyday and much of what we do is conditioned. Who creates the context for that conditioning? Therefore, are you REALLY acting in your own best interests and are you conscious of the influences in your life propelling you in the direction you are going? I think most people dont realize they are a product of someone elses thinking and someone elses vision. Even though you think you are the one in control, conversations like this prove that isnt the case.
 
finitelifeform said:
You are not in any danger.

I broke into tears when I read this sentence. You hit the nail on the head. I've been afraid this while time. I am a violent man, but you know that because you can see through me. I am trying to control others. I have been brainwashed.

I'm so sorry.
 
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