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Conspiracies The Covid Narrative

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I don't really have faith in anything....im just saying, i don't think it would happen....i think you're mistaken if you do think that would happen...we're not rounding up Chinese in the case of war with China....not even a chance

So "wearing a mask is patriotic" is kinda what you're saying...

yea maybe....people were just way more patriotic back in the 1930s and 40s

so what you're saying is, is that it's my patriotic duty to get the covid shot?
 
I wasn't really thinking about you specifically in all honesty. I really was curious about how far American culture had shifted in those years. It seems, at least on the surface, as though there has been a shift toward a entitlement to freedoms with less emphasis on the personal responsibility to behave in a manner which benefits society as a whole. It's as if the cost of freedoms is taken for granted a bit more.

Again, not having a go at you specifically, and I'm not trying to make it sound like a bad thing. It's just an observation. It is a different time and the US has for a long time now not really been a serious target of any kind of threat to its way of life, at least not in any way that individual citizens could meaningfully do anything about. It makes sense that citizens would take any suggestion of limits on their freedoms as offensive when they've never really been in a position where they had to sacrifice much for those freedoms before.

Basically, I don't think a lot of Americans think about the costs of their freedoms much, and I understand why they wouldn't. I think it's unfortunate in this case because I think if more were willing to sacrifice for a short time the covid situation could have been much better in the US, but it is what it is.

Also, I am a little biased as an observer. I'm in New Zealand where we did make those sacrifices in the covid situation, and from where I'm sitting, it looks like my country dealt with it in a better way than the US did. But I do appreciate that there are some significant advantages we have here, geography being a big one. I'm not sure how to go about quantifying how much is geography and how much is cultural.
 
I wasn't really thinking about you specifically in all honesty. I really was curious about how far American culture had shifted in those years. It seems, at least on the surface, as though there has been a shift toward a entitlement to freedoms with less emphasis on the personal responsibility to behave in a manner which benefits society as a whole. It's as if the cost of freedoms is taken for granted a bit more.

Again, not having a go at you specifically, and I'm not trying to make it sound like a bad thing. It's just an observation. It is a different time and the US has for a long time now not really been a serious target of any kind of threat to its way of life, at least not in any way that individual citizens could meaningfully do anything about. It makes sense that citizens would take any suggestion of limits on their freedoms as offensive when they've never really been in a position where they had to sacrifice much for those freedoms before.

Basically, I don't think a lot of Americans think about the costs of their freedoms much, and I understand why they wouldn't. I think it's unfortunate in this case because I think if more were willing to sacrifice for a short time the covid situation could have been much better in the US, but it is what it is.

Also, I am a little biased as an observer. I'm in New Zealand where we did make those sacrifices in the covid situation, and from where I'm sitting, it looks like my country dealt with it in a better way than the US did. But I do appreciate that there are some significant advantages we have here, geography being a big one. I'm not sure how to go about quantifying how much is geography and how much is cultural.

i don't think it matters what country you're from...although you might...if what you see or read in the news about what happens here gives you a certain impression of what we're all about, then i don't know what to tell you either

comparing your 2 little islands to the united states is definitely apples and oranges to say the least so i don't think its even worth getting into that



listen - i have responsibilities believe it or not....so i have to make a decision based on those responsibilities, and i can't risk taking the shot and having something go wrong....

so it is in my true belief, that i am better off not getting that shot....based on the odds and based on the research so far

i can't take one for the team

so im not gonna


im not going down with the ship
 
i don't think it matters what country you're from...although you might...if what you see or read in the news about what happens here gives you a certain impression of what we're all about, then i don't know what to tell you either

comparing your 2 little islands to the united states is definitely apples and oranges to say the least so i don't think its even worth getting into that
Well, to be fair, my impression of America is not based on what I see on the television. I have spent time in the states and my wife is an American, as is my son by virtue of my wife's citizenship. I think you'd be surprised about how similar our countries are in a great many ways. It's the similarities that make the differences so apparent though, especially in these times.

listen - i have responsibilities believe it or not....so i have to make a decision based on those responsibilities, and i can't risk taking the shot and having something go wrong....

so it is in my true belief, that i am better off not getting that shot....based on the odds and based on the research so far

i can't take one for the team

so im not gonna


im not going down with the ship
I understand, and like I said, I never intended to have a go at you personally. You just happened to be the one who got me thinking about it and I thank you for engaging in the civil discussion. I certainly don't mean to look down or patronize anyone in America. As I said earlier, I think that it's unfortunate, and I chose that word carefully, because I didn't want to say disappointing because that doesn't really convey what I'm trying to say. I don't want to give the impression in any way that that was what I meant.
 
Damn that sucks man. I got my second shot today and no side effects yet at all. Other than sore arm, but no more sore than a tetanus shot.
Ew. I stepped on a rusty nail as a kid and had to get a tetanus shot. It was the most painful shot I ever had. I think I had a dark bruise on my arm for about 5 days. I don't want to get this vaccine as I don't believe in vaccines but if I plan on travelling to Europe soon I may have to get it; @Xorkoth do you know off-hand if they give you proof, like paperwork anywhere you get the shot/s? Maybe I need that to leave the country, from what I've read lately

I've just been waiting to see what I'm supposed to do. I don't get sick so no worries about that on my end. Cheers
 
you're telling me that you haven't even gotten the shot yet?
i signed up for an early trial but there were no appointments available in my area.

i booked my shot within 10 minutes of receiving the text saying i was now eligible. i could probably have argued my mental illnesses are 'severe' and been able to book early but i don't currently judge them as so and didn't want to take a place from someone in greater need- its that social responsibility that anti vaxxers seem not to comprehend.
 
i signed up for an early trial but there were no appointments available in my area.

i booked my shot within 10 minutes of receiving the text saying i was now eligible. i could probably have argued my mental illnesses are 'severe' and been able to book early but i don't currently judge them as so and didn't want to take a place from someone in greater need- its that social responsibility that anti vaxxers seem not to comprehend.

Oooh...i didn't realize you were doing it to be socially responsible....i thought it was for the free donut
 
Oh ok - because everybody is the same in your brand of utopian socialism.....i gotcha

I think you're misunderstanding what I am saying. Although I think people should be vaccinating, I support the right of someone to choose not to, even if I think they should. My complaint was twofold: it was first about people who use the reason against getting it that "well I'm healthy so if I get it and pass it on, it's the person's fault who gets sick and dies, because they didn't take care of themselves enough to not be immunocompromised". And my second complain was about how the Nurses' Union is trying to say that we should reinstate mask mandates and lockdowns for vaccinated people, rather than accepting that frontline workers who choose not to get vaccinated are accepting that risk to themselves (and others). I would have thought you would agree with a sentiment that we should not re-instate restrictions
 
I think you're misunderstanding what I am saying. Although I think people should be vaccinating, I support the right of someone to choose not to, even if I think they should. My complaint was twofold: it was first about people who use the reason against getting it that "well I'm healthy so if I get it and pass it on, it's the person's fault who gets sick and dies, because they didn't take care of themselves enough to not be immunocompromised". And my second complain was about how the Nurses' Union is trying to say that we should reinstate mask mandates and lockdowns for vaccinated people, rather than accepting that frontline workers who choose not to get vaccinated are accepting that risk to themselves (and others). I would have thought you would agree with a sentiment that we should not re-instate restrictions

i gotcha...maybe i did misunderstand you....i absolutely agree that lockdowns and mask mandates should not be reinstated
 

Employers May Be Held Liable for ‘Any Adverse Reaction’ if They Mandate COVID Vaccines​

New guidance from the Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) is making employers think twice about their COVID vaccine requirements.


On April 20, companies were put on notice they’ll be responsible for any adverse reaction should they require their employees be vaccinated with a COVID vaccine.


In the Frequently Asked Questions section of OSHA’s website having to do with COVID safety compliance, a question was asked whether an adverse reaction to a COVID vaccine had to be recorded if an employer mandated vaccination as a condition for employment.


OSHA stated:


“If you require your employees to be vaccinated as a condition of employment (i.e., for work-related reasons), then any adverse reaction to the COVID-19 vaccine is work-related. The adverse reaction is recordable if it is a new case under 29 CFR 1904.6 and meets one or more of the general recording criteria in 29 CFR 1904.7.”


In general, an adverse reaction to the COVID vaccine is recordable if the reaction is: (1) work-related, (2) a new case and (3) meets one or more of the general recording criteria in 29 CFR 1904.7 (e.g., days away from work, restricted work or transfer to another job, medical treatment beyond first aid).


According to OSHA, recording requirements of serious work-related injuries and illness may leave employers with worker’s compensation claims and impact their safety record.


Conversely, OSHA states it will exercise enforcement discretion and will not require adverse reactions be recorded when an employer only “recommends” that employees receive the vaccine, while noting that for this discretion to apply, the vaccine must be truly voluntary.


In determining whether a vaccine is “voluntary,” the website states, “an employee’s choice to accept or reject the vaccine cannot affect [his or her] performance rating or professional advancement,” and that an “employee who chooses not to receive the vaccine cannot suffer any repercussions from this choice.”


If employees are not free to choose whether or not to receive the vaccine without fearing negative recourse, then the vaccine is required and employers should refer to the section on COVID vaccines as a condition to employment.


In response to the news that COVID vaccine adverse reactions suffered by workers are reportable incidents, or incidents that count against a company’s safety record, several large contractors said they have changed or will change their vaccination policy to only recommend — not require — a vaccine.
 
Anyway it's here to last, there's some benefits politically and financially, the virus has already mutated in several form, the indian one apparently pass through the vaccine, after that wich ones idk.... Got to get my 2nd morderna shot next week, honestely i don't think this gonna help, this virus is just too "good"...
 
^^That's interesting re: employment liability. In the US I'm sure its quite different, because then you run into that fact the employer is then responsible, ie. "I had a pain in my arm and couldn't lift something for 7 days." So then they are liable. Its not like the flu shot where you don't really have to get it. I mean in Canada I had the flu shot and was drunk as fuck during my shift, I had some sort of weird reaction due to lifting I guess, and no one said anything, or did anything. But you know what I mean. You run into all sorts of problems, where I can't take the time off and dropped something on the floor or had problems with operating a forklift or something and then you aren't responsible, the company is responsible. Good lawsuit if you don't want to take it and then they terminate your employment, or give you a settlement I guess?
 
honestely i don't think this gonna help, this virus is just too "good"...
there is positive selection pressure to cause less damage to hosts, as people who are lying in bed dying aren't good transmission vectors, so eventually this should become like a common cold.

not yet though, sadly.
 
Mmmm yes an no, let's say the original form of the virus got this form of positive selection among hosts, by killing mostly people with comorbidities, but the variants are more contageous and mor deadly, so there's a form of adaptation of the virus toward the struggle us, the society, put on him, so he mutates in several points over the globe, during what? One year? I hope it will eventually become common or just away but it seems to go the other way...
 
Exploring the Reasons Behind Parental Refusal of Vaccines

Religious Reasons​

One of the most common reasons parents offer for choosing not to vaccinate their children stems from their religious beliefs. With only 4 states not offering exemptions to families for this reason, it poses a major obstacle to those seeking to increase childhood vaccination rates.3 Religious reasons are distinct from other cited reasons in that they are generally linked to the core beliefs of the parents, and it is very difficult to dissuade these individuals from views against immunization. These choices are not the by-product of ignorance but rather the intentional and calculated decision related to a staunch conviction. In addition, in contrast to other cited reasons for hesitancy, those driven by religious assertions most often are linked to a complete refusal of all vaccines.
Vaccine Refusal, Mandatory Immunization, and the Risks of Vaccine-Preventable Diseases
Continued refusal after adequate discussion should be respected unless the child is put at significant risk of serious harm (as, for example, might be the case during an epidemic). Only then should state agencies be involved to override parental discretion on the basis of medical neglect. Physician concerns about liability should be addressed by good documentation of the discussion of the benefits of immunization and the risks associated with remaining unimmunized. Physicians also may wish to consider having the parents sign a refusal waiver (a sample refusal-to-immunize waiver can be found at www.cispimmunize.org/pro/pdf/RefusaltoVaccinate_2pageform.pdf).

A novel mRNA modification may impact gene expression

Can the Military Force Vaccinations?

I hope you find some insight in those scholarly resources and can further find more information for yourself and others.

As to 'not seeing your posts,' I've had an autistic meltdown/psychotic break in the last 24 hours. Shaved all my long hair off my head 🤕 and have been sobbing nonstop about Greg. I was very nearly threatened by my mom just shy of being sent to an overcrowded Emergency Room the absolute last place on this planet I want or 'need' to be.

When I did self admit to my local Riverside Psych Hospital (This was last summer 2020), my wounds were so awful, and because I'm so 'well-spoken' The medical staff 'didn't believe that I had autism' and in their 'professional opinion' I was 'attention seeking!' God why did I even try to help myself? It did more harm than good in the end. I was scared shitless! excuse my language.

No, I'm not suicidal, but I've had some recent memory loss in the last 24 hours that scares me. I've misplaced my cell phone, debit card, functioning mind, along with the telephone numbers of those that are 'safe' folks I can face time with in my family of faith at Shabbat. Many in Shabbat are getting older and this is a weekly thing for me by catching up with them etc. Many congregation members have gone home to be with God, and it's very hard not to live in a state that will allow one to even after washing hands with a rubber glove on bear hug someone you care deeply for.

At this point that is the bane of living in this great liberally inept and unkept sate of Virginia. I mean for God's sake the Governor of VA Ralph Northam is a pediatrician, 🙄 and 'first do no harm' went way out the window with this clown. "Well if a 'fetus' does survive an abortion the mother and others will be given their 'options' on what to 'do' next. 🤢🤮 Don't even get me started on him, he's not worth my emotional energy.

I hope this personal message finds you well enough. Stay safe, and God's speed.

-Hannah Capps
 
Hey there Itz Critz here, and I Just received my 2nd dose of the Moderna series today. Took a Tylenol before each vaccine, and took one before bed, and took one upon awakening (well will do it for the 2nd as well tomorrow morning.) To avoid the dreaded morning after headache.

My wife who is in the Philippines works for Chase the big bank company. Up until now she could only get the vaccine that china donated to PH, but her job is offering her AstraZeneca. I am worried about AZ's vax because it has the highest complication in women her age group for blood clots. As you can guess birth control also increases risk of Blood Clots, and she is ON BC. I wish she could get Moderna or Pfizer, but AZ is the lesser of two evil's IMO, than the Chinese vax. WHICH SINCE THEY ARE DONATING it and hell yeah this is super conspiracy thought process logic, but I honestly give it a 50% chance of being a placebo to test on a large scale public population that isn't their own citizens..
CHINA doesn't give you a "free gift", there is always strings.

SO anyway I have gotten all my vaccination's that I am eligible for at 28 (and aware of) years old. Except the dengue vaccine to many problems with it. I am pro vax, but I believe there are those that shouldn't take some vax's do to allergies/reactions, and I truly believe it must always be a choice. Let's just not let childhood vaxs drop too low or we might have Measles Mumps, chicken pox, polio and TDAP and Rubella in the millions again per year.
 
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