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unexpectdely good news, i think this deserves a mention. i really thought suicide rates would have gone up during lockdowns, i've seen people in my recovery circles relapsing all over the place. another proof to myself that anecdotes are not evidence.

the study is pretty systematic, but does focus on high income countries, and actually found decreases in suicide rates in some places. they do caveat that there may be delayed effects, so further work is needed.

Suicide trends in the early months of the COVID-19 pandemic: an interrupted time-series analysis of preliminary data from 21 countries

while i'm daring to post in here might as well post the good news from last week regarding the pfizer vaccine: pfizer vaccine shows efficacy against south african variant and no safety concerns at 6 months - yes this is published by pfizer itself and pharmaceuticals companies lie so i hope independent validation (or refutation) of these results will be published soon.
 

Why the Second COVID Shot Makes You Miserable​

When the actress Sarah Wynter got her first dose of the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine, she didn’t experience any side effects apart from a little soreness in her arm. Dose two was a different story. About 12 hours after she received it, as she was about to go to bed, “it hit me like a freight train,” she says. “I just started feeling very achy, very tired and heavy.”

She woke up the next morning experiencing what felt like the worst hangover of her life. After some Tylenol and coffee, she felt almost better by late morning and was well enough to host a small birthday party for her 10-year-old twins. Then, at bedtime, it was round two, this time including violent chills. A night’s rest helped, but the following day she still felt under the weather.

Wynter’s experiences may not have been exactly typical, but they weren’t unusual, either: The second dose of Moderna and Pfizer vaccines really do pack a wallop. A study by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention found that while 30 percent of recipients experienced fatigue and a quarter suffered headaches after the first dose, those figures climbed to 54 percent and 46 percent, respectively, after the second dose. The number experiencing chills or fever climbed from 9 percent to 30 percent.

These unpleasant effects are a result of the way the immune system works. When a pathogen like COVID attacks, it destroys cells and triggers a first-wave response, so-called innate immunity, which results in inflammation and activates a horde of white blood cells. It also triggers a second system, so-called acquired immunity. A small number of white blood cells identify unfamiliar proteins associated with the threat, and over the course of the next ten days or so, these cells multiply so they’ll be ready if it ever returns.

A vaccine tries to forewarn the acquired immune system by presenting it with pieces of the pathogen that it can later recognize. But if it does that outside of the context of an innate immune response, the acquired immune system won’t be triggered to react. To fix that problem, vaccines contain substances called adjuvants that biochemically sound the innate-immunity alarm. When you get your first vaccination jab, it’s the adjuvants that tell your body it’s under attack. When you get your second jab, both adjuvants and the pieces of pathogen sound the alarm. “The immune system is already primed and ready to have a bigger response,” says Rachel Roper, a professor of microbiology at East Carolina University.

It takes time for acquired immunity to swing into action, which is why Wynter didn’t start to feel sick until the evening of her shot. After about 24 to 36 hours, her body gradually absorbed the adjuvants and the viral proteins, and the immune system responded by going back to its resting state.

People over 55 are less likely to report being steamrolled by either the first or the second dose because their immune systems have faded with time and are less able to mount a vigorous defense. “The adaptive response decreases as you age,” says Matthew Woodruff, an immunologist at Pace University. “That’s why it’s always more difficult to get a good vaccine response in aging populations.” Seasonal flu shots, which provoke a fairly weak innate immune response and so generally don’t kick anyone’s ass, can trigger such a weak response in older patients that they are sometimes made in special elderly-friendly formulations, which include extra adjuvants. If a young person were to take that version, it would more likely flatten them.

The fact that Pfizer and Moderna vaccines hit some recipients so hard is also due in part to the fact that they were created in record time, in response to a disease that was poorly understood and spreading quickly. “When the scientists originally designed the vaccine trial, they wanted maximum efficacy,” Roper explains. With the focus on saving lives, side effects were a secondary concern. “A much lower dose for the booster may be just as effective with fewer side effects,” she says, “but we don’t have data to prove that.”

(In the race to get their vaccines to market, Moderna and Pfizer were lucky to avoid the rare but more dangerous side effects that have struck some recipients of the AstraZeneca and Johnson & Johnson vaccines. On Tuesday, the CDC and FDA recommended that use of the latter be suspended pending further investigation after six women suffered a severe type of blood clot and one died.)

For her part, Wynter worries that telling others about her symptoms might discourage others from getting their second shot because “they’re scared of feeling crappy for a couple of days.”

Woodruff sees it as a matter of maintaining public trust. “We in the scientific community and the medical community can’t shy away from talking about this stuff,” he says. “The truth is bigger than any individual vaccine. We have to be open and honest and realistic and talk about the shortcomings and provide a larger context. I think that’s our job.”

The good news is that so far, missing second doses doesn’t seem to be a widespread problem. A March study found that of 12.5 million Americans who had received a first dose, only 3 percent had failed to get the second dose within a permissible time frame. No evidence has emerged since that this number has increased, even as awareness of second-shot side effects has presumably become more widespread. While reluctance to get the vaccine at all is a major concern — and may only ramp up after the Johnson & Johnson snafu — it seems that those who do want to be inoculated are very likely to follow through all the way.
 

Great FAQ-type article about the COVID variants. Worth a read. Great stuff and great pics at link.

(I didn’t know about the convergent evolutionary aspect of the variant mutations.)


COVID-19 variants FAQ: How did the U.K., South Africa and Brazil variants emerge? Are they more contagious? How does a virus mutate? Could there be a super-variant that evades vaccines?

More and more countries around the world are struggling with a new wave of infections, with an alarming increase in COVID-19 cases. Mostly these new surges are attributed to variants of SARS-CoV-2.

In lay terms, a variant refers to a virus genetically distinct from its original strain. The emergence of variants in the microbial world is nothing new, just think of “superbugs” such as MRSA (methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus), which is resistant to almost all the existing antibiotics.

How did the U.K., South Africa and Brazil variants emerge?​

Genetic transformation of a virus occurs by mutation. Mutations emerge naturally in the microbial world. They are mistakes in the genetic code caused by copying processes in the cell. These mistakes are exploited by the virus to survive and establish itself, especially under adverse conditions.

Curiously, viruses mutate at a much higher rate than other micro-organisms. Often mistakes in the genetic code come and go without leaving any traces, but in a few instances, they are selected when they offer the microbe a growth (or infection) advantage.

In the case of SARS-CoV-2, several mutations have been selected, meaning they are propagated to the next generation of viruses. They are selected for efficient access to host cells — fewer viruses are needed to infect the host — and effective evasion of the neutralizing antibodies of the immune system, meaning they are able to dodge immune response so they can circulate longer in the host, providing more opportunity to infect other cells.

However, human intervention — such as the use of certain treatments like convalescent plasma or monoclonal treatment — can drive virus evolution in much the same way that antibiotic use drives the evolution of bacterial superbugs.

How seriously should we take SARS-CoV-2 variants?​

The World Health Organization (WHO) categorizes virus variants into two different groups: variant of concern (VOC) and variant of interest (VOI). VOCs represent those variants that are linked to the rise of new infection waves in many countries, including the recent surges in Canada and United States.

Here in Canada, the B.1.1.7 variant, which emerged in the United Kingdom in September 2020, is becoming the dominant variant.

The other VOCs — such as B.1.351, first identified in South Africa, and P.1, first identified in Brazil — are being identified more often and have been responsible for several outbreaks in Canada.

There is evidence, some of which has not yet been peer reviewed, that VOCs are associated with higher virulence than the coronavirus that originated in Wuhan, China: higher transmissibility, possible higher disease severity and, in the case of B.1.351, an increased ability to evade neutralizing antibodies.

These attributes of VOCs have translated into higher hospitalizations of younger people and an increase in deaths across all age groups in Canada.

VOIs are on the radars of public health agencies for their impact on virus transmission, the severity of disease and vaccine effectiveness.

How does mutation change how a virus works?​

The genetic code of a virus provides instructions to make its proteins: strings of amino acids in defined sequences. Mutation can lead to amino acid substitution or deletion in the protein. The attention of the scientific community is focused on the amino acid substitutions that affect the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein, the protein that gives the virus its crown-like shape.

The spike protein is the key that provides access to human cells via the human ACE-2 protein (the lock), and as such is the target of the currently approved COVID-19 vaccines. Research that has yet to be peer reviewed shows two ways in which changes to the amino acid sequence of the spike protein may affect its interaction with human cells:

Proteins can be thought of as microscopic Lego structures, with amino acids behaving as Lego pieces and held together by a single thread. However, protein structures are much more flexible than Lego structures (think of Lego pieces made of Jell-O), with the amino acids able to form transient bonds with other amino acids close to them as needed for structural stability and recognizing other structures.

The spike protein’s structural flexibility allows it to sample the space inside the lock (ACE-2) to enable recognition of the key, but also to find the optimum key-shape for that lock. It is the latter function that is optimized through mutation: the best key-shape will open the lock faster and more easily.

Could mutation lead to a super-variant that can evade all vaccines?​

Many VOCs and VOIs have been identified around the world, and more variants get reported daily (about one million variants have been recorded to date). Should we be afraid of the emergence of a super-variant, which is highly virulent and can overpower all current vaccines and any others in the future?

The three current VOCs that have taken hold in many countries carry several amino acid substitutions in their spike proteins. Because of the spike protein’s crucial role in entering cells, all of the COVID-19 vaccines currently available work by targeting the spike protein.

Peculiarly, a few of the amino acid substitutions in the spike protein are common to the three current VOCs and are considered to drive their dominance over other variants. Research that has yet to be peer reviewed shows the substitutions N501Y (asparagine to tyrosine) and D614G (aspartate to glycine) are common to all three, while E484K (glutamate to lysine) is common to B.1.351 and P.1.

The E484K substitution is believed to be responsible for antibody evasion, and N501Y and D614G are thought to drive the higher transmissibility of these variants. (The CDC website offers more information on the attributes of the variants.)

It is curious that the common amino acid substitutions identified among VOCs emerged independently and in different parts of the globe. There are, in fact, 20 different amino acids provided by the host cell, all of which have an equal opportunity to substitute an amino acid in the protein through mutation. Yet, remarkably, these three VOCs evolved to acquire some of the same amino acid substitutions!

This phenomenon is referred to in biology as convergence evolution: when the same feature evolves independently. This means that the selected amino acids offer a unique property that makes the virus “fitter.”

The spike protein has an important function: it has to unlock access to the host cell, but it is also the target of neutralizing antibodies, which the virus has to prevent from latching onto the protein in order to evade the immune system. Both these functions rely on the same part of the protein: the receptor binding domain (RBD).

Enhancement of one of these two functions can diminish the other function. That means a compromise has to be reached. The fact that the same substitutions arose independently in different variants is an indication that the spike proteins in these variants have been optimized, and may not gain any further advantages.

Based on this, emergence of a super-variant seems unlikely, because these two functions — unlocking the host cell and evading the immune system — will always be in competition with each other, so neither will be able to achieve perfect efficiency.

However, never underestimate the force of evolution when there is a fertile playing field. We must adhere to public health measures, such as social distancing and masks, to mitigate the spread of the virus and limit the number of hosts that the virus can infect, for as long as most of the population remains unvaccinated.

 
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Interesting point that vaccines might provide better immunity from variants than immunity from infection due to imprinting.

Next-generation Covid-19 vaccines are supposed to be better. Some experts worry they could be worse​


With Covid-19 vaccines, the world hopes to beat back the virus that causes the disease. But some scientists are increasingly concerned that, because of a quirk of our own biology, future iterations of the vaccines might not always be quite as effective as they are today.

The concerns stem from a phenomenon that is known as imprinting, sometimes called original antigenic sin, which is believed to affect how we respond to some pathogens.

In short, when your body is introduced to a particular threat for the first time — either through infection or a vaccine — that encounter sets your immune system’s definition of that virus and what immune weapons it needs to detect and protect against it in the future.

That imprint can be helpful. In the 2009 H1N1 flu pandemic, elderly adults were protected by immune responses they’d generated more than half a century earlier, in childhood, through encounters with a related virus. But it can also interfere with your body’s ability to mount responses against strains that have evolved from the one you were first exposed to.

In the case of Covid, some scientists are concerned that the immune system’s reaction to the vaccines being deployed now could leave an indelible imprint, and that next-generation products, updated in response to emerging variants of the SARS-CoV-2, won’t confer as much protection.


Michael Worobey, who was been involved in groundbreaking research on imprinting with influenza, said he worries the responses to first-generation Covid-19 vaccines will prove to be “a high-water mark” for people’s immune responses to these inoculations.

“I do think it’s something that we need to be thinking about,” Worobey, a professor of evolutionary biology at the University of Arizona, told STAT. “We might actually see lower efficacy five years from now, if people are still locked into recalling the response to the first [SARS-2] antigen that they saw.”

Sarah Cobey, an associate professor of computational biology at the University of Chicago, shares his worry. “As long as we have competition between old antibody responses and new antibody responses … then it seems like exactly the right sort of environment to see these phenomena,” Cobey said.

“I can’t think of a reason that should be restricted to influenza,” she added.

Not everyone in the conversation is convinced there will be a problem, though.

Vineet Menachery is a coronavirus expert at the University of Texas Medical Branch in Galveston, one of the smallish community of researchers who were studying coronaviruses before the Covid-19 pandemic hit. He noted that the SARS-2 spike protein — the protein that projects from the virus’ surface, giving it the appearance of wearing a crown — doesn’t have as much wiggle room to change as the hemagglutinin proteins that sit atop of flu viruses.

Both the spike and the hemagglutinin proteins are the means by which their respective viruses attach to the cells they are trying to infect; in the case of SARS-2 viruses, attachment occurs via a receptor known as ACE2. But influenza viruses mutate at a far faster rate than coronaviruses and they have much more leeway to change — mutational space, Menachery called it — without impeding its functionality.

“The changes that we see in the [SARS-2] variants aren’t whole-hog changes,” he said.

Imprinting is one of the reasons why flu vaccines aren’t as protective as we’d like them to be. Flu is a notorious shape-shifter and its constant alterations allow influenza viruses to evade immune system protections generated by either vaccination or previous infections. People who first encountered H1N1 viruses, for instance, never get as much protection from the H3N2 component of a flu shot as they do from the H1N1 part.

“Basically, I think of original antigenic sin as some sort of hierarchy in immune memory, meaning you preferentially boost what you’ve seen before, at the expense of developing responses to the new stuff,” Cobey said. “It could impact the effectiveness of [Covid] vaccine going forward.”

Scott Hensley, a sometimes collaborator of Cobey’s, has actually seen some evidence of coronavirus imprinting in his research. An associate professor of microbiology at the University of Pennsylvania, Hensley and colleagues were working to develop Covid-19 antibody tests in the early days of the pandemic. The work involved studying using blood samples from people who contracted Covid. They compared the post-infection samples to blood drawn from the same individuals prior to the pandemic.

In comparing the before and after blood samples, they saw in the post-infection sample a “dramatic” rise in antibodies to one of the humans coronaviruses that is among the causes of the common cold. It was a virus called OC43, which is in the same coronavirus family as SARS-2, as well as the viruses that cause SARS and MERS.

In other words, Covid infection actually boosted the immune system’s protection against a different virus, one that the immune system already knew.

Still, Hensley isn’t worried about imprinting — or at least not among people who have been vaccinated with mRNA vaccines. The very strong immune response generated by the Moderna and the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccines should override any imprinting impacts as SARS-2 mutates, he said. Hensley worries, though, that people whose immunity to the virus comes from infection, not vaccination, might have more difficulty handling variant viruses because of imprinting effects.

David Topham, an immunologist at the University of Rochester Medical Center and director of the New York Influenza Center of Excellence, also envisages that possibility.

He noted that, in the earliest stages of SARS-2 infection, the immune system mounts a response to a portion of the spike protein called S2. Later, the immune system focuses its attention on other parts of the spike, notably the part of the protein that attaches the virus to cells it invades, known as the receptor binding domain.

It’s not yet known if the early focus on S2 — which doesn’t change much from virus to virus — will blind the immune system to the changes elsewhere in the spike protein, the changes updated vaccines would be trying to teach the immune system to respond to, Topham said.

Topham doesn’t think this will be a problem in vaccinated people, because of the way the vaccines in use have been designed. The spike proteins they trigger production of appear to hide the S2 region, he said. The immune system can’t fixate on something it doesn’t see.

For people whose immunity comes from infection, Topham sees three possible scenarios. “It can be a problem, because the immune cells specific for S2 outcompete immune cells against other components of the spike protein that you really need in order to get protection. It can be inconsequential in that eventually the responses to the other parts of the protein catch up and it doesn’t matter. Or it could actually be a benefit because it gets the immune system revved up more quickly.”

Topham is not alone in speculating that an original Covid vaccine with a booster targeting variant viruses could, in fact, lead to a stronger immune response.

“You might actually end up with an immune response that is broader,” said Florian Krammer, a professor of vaccinology at the Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai Hospital in New York.

Krammer used as an example research done by scientists at the Finnish Institute for Health and Welfare and University of Turku on vaccination against H5N1 bird flu. H5N1 vaccine that don’t contain adjuvants — boosting compounds — appear to generate poor immune responses. But in a paperpublished in the journal Vaccine, the researchers reported that a priming and boosting regimen that used two different H5N1 vaccines, made with different strains of the virus, induced a strong and long-lasting response.

We may find out whether this is going to be a problem sooner than you’d think. Moderna is working with the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases — which helped it design its original Covid vaccine — to test an updated version of its vaccine that targets the variant first spotted in South Africa, B.1.351. That variant appears to be able to evade immune responses triggered by earlier versions of the virus.

“The Phase 1 studies conducted by Moderna and NIAID … will produce immunogenicity data that will address this question,” John Mascola, director of NIAID’s Vaccine Research Center, told STAT in an email. “So data directly bearing on the question will be forthcoming over the next weeks and months.”

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@cduggles i really like that FAQ but would like to point out that it makes things sound a bit more magical than they are.

convergent evolution is to be expected, we see it in far more complex organisms (like those eye looking things on butterfly wings), though in that case it takes far longer.

the low rate of mutation in SARS-COV2 compared to other RNA viruses is due to its proofreading apparatus- this is what makes its genome so large, given the instability of RNA we think that 30kb (i.e. the length of the SARS-COV2 genome) is about the maximum possible genome length for an RNA virus. The vast majority of mutations are synonymous- i.e. they don't change anything, this is even the case in variants of concern. some variants have been identified that have just a single base change compared to the wuhan reference, and the average variation is about 10 base pairs per genome, this is extremely low.

in a way this makes our jobs easier as it simplifies the extra work that you usually have to do when dealing with viral quasispecies. on the flip side, it means that you have to sequence to higher depth or with higher quality technologies to correctly identify which variant you have to high confidence, which increases costs and time. there are other methods of identifying which variant you have in a sample, such as well designed LAMP assays, but they only work for variants that have already been characterised well enough for appropriate primers to be designed, afaik sequencing is necessary for identification of novel variants.

what is seriously annoying is that the vast majority of non synonymous mutations identified so far are in the spike protein, which is not only the target for vaccines, but also for many antiviral therapies. this is also why, so far, we are not seeing the decrease in pathogenicity that we usually expect in viral evolution.

describing proteins as amino acids held together by single pieces of string is a bit deceptive, they are held together by peptide bonds, which are pretty strong.

caveat- this is all off the top of my head, it is sunday morning and i'm tired and can't be bothered to open my work computer to get the references, but they are pretty easy to find and peer reviewed in reputable journals.
 
Interesting point that vaccines might provide better immunity from variants than immunity from infection due to imprinting.

Next-generation Covid-19 vaccines are supposed to be better. Some experts worry they could be worse​




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They may, then they may not. Nobody knows, anyone who has thought about what is actually known and likely is not going to call this one way or another at this point in time. Predictions are tricky expecially when they involve predicting the future.

TLDR Original antigenic sin may be a problem like seen in H1N1 and prior seasonal flu vaccines or it might not.

Infection and recovery: Broad immune response including some mucosal and local immunity.
Vaccine derived immunity: Narrow single antigen spike focused response

There is plenty of flexibility for spike to mutate without loss of its primary function of binding ACE-2 but evade antibodies (these experiments have already been done) so it is quite conceivable that the virus will eventually evolve to completely evade the current vaccine immunity. It may also evade the broader infection acquired immunity too. I don't think it will but that is a personal hunch. One thing seems clear vaccinated people will be infected and when they get infected then they will acquire broader immunity to other components of SARS2 hopefully the vaccine derived antibodies will prevent them dying or being seriously screwed up before they recover and acquire immunity.

It is important to remember that the absolute risk of dying or getting seriously screwed up by covid is very low. historically Influenza has been much more dangerous to younger cohorts than anything covid has shown so far.

There is a problem with academia and skin in the game, there are no consequences for academics who make wrong calls or even those that knowingly lie and mislead. In fact lying and misrepresenting results gets more funding. The shrill voices of scientific pseudocertaintly especially if they are narrative fitting get amplified by the media and generously funded, when they are wrong the mistake gets memory holed.

Each person has skin in their individual game, so it falls on the individual to figure it out for themselves, not rely on somebody else doing their thinking for them. Nobody cares about your own health more than you.
 
These new strains seem to be pretty fucking lethal. Young people are dropping dead with asymptomatic symptoms all across india. We are nowhere near the end of covid-19 the vaccines are ineffective in limiting its spread and we will only see the end of this nasty fucking virus if everybody is put into martial law lockdowns and those who do not comply are fucking put in gulags and worked to death til this virus is eliminated
 
These new strains seem to be pretty fucking lethal. Young people are dropping dead with asymptomatic symptoms all across india. We are nowhere near the end of covid-19 the vaccines are ineffective in limiting its spread and we will only see the end of this nasty fucking virus if everybody is put into martial law lockdowns and those who do not comply are fucking put in gulags and worked to death til this virus is eliminated

lol yea that'll fix it
 
heavy lockdowns worked for many countries. The entire world should be in lockdown til its eradicated from the face of the planet.

there's also a good chance that lockdowns are just prolonging it

so 100 years ago, what would we have called this? what about variants? if we weren't staring at all of them like we are now, it wouldn't really even matter

it's gonna do it's thing and we as a species have to adapt - its been going on forever - we've been pretty lucky for quite a run now too
 
there's also a good chance that lockdowns are just prolonging it

so 100 years ago, what would we have called this? what about variants? if we weren't staring at all of them like we are now, it wouldn't really even matter

it's gonna do it's thing and we as a species have to adapt - its been going on forever - we've been pretty lucky for quite a run now too
100 years ago covid-19 would of killed 100 m + people aswell. Its due to our modern hopstials that the death toll is not over 100m right now.
 
Right....but we gotta live too

if you wanna lock yourself up then go ahead - but you cant just tell everybody they need to stay home or its off to the gulags you go


gotta live a little too
 
Ok - as long as you understand that the human race is not in jeopardy from covid19 - not even slightly
Totally bro. Not one (please excuse my rare use of swearing here because I feel oh so much passion on this) fucking bit. The human race is in jeopardy because the majority are forming a herd of gullible, blind sheep and Lemmings.

The human race is in jeopardy because too many people are stupid enough to put full trust in the government and mainstream.
 
there's also a good chance that lockdowns are just prolonging it

so 100 years ago, what would we have called this? what about variants? if we weren't staring at all of them like we are now, it wouldn't really even matter

it's gonna do it's thing and we as a species have to adapt - its been going on forever - we've been pretty lucky for quite a run now too
100 years ago, there was no television. Hence....no pandemic.
 
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