Police Brutality Thread

[hydroazuanacaine]

speaker of the house struggling with words.

 

[Xorkoth]

George Floyd died of an overdose of fentanyl/other opiates and METH.

We have already discussed this. The levels of fentanyl in his system were below what they use for anesthesia. The levels of meth present were very low. There are many Bluelight users who probably have higher levels of both of those drugs in their system posting in Other Drugs right now.

Will the Floyd 'family' who George completely ignored and cared more about bags of dope/fent, crystal METH, and crack than his own children and family, do the right thing and donate any or most of their $$$ to rebuilding the cities they and burn loot murder helped destroy by advocating for riots?

They will waste the money. It will be gone in 1-5 years, lawyers will get most of it, and their family, friends, etc. will get the rest and they will spend it like crazy.

The ultra wealthy both old money and new money, both in the USA and worldwide will hate them as they did nothing to earn, invest, inherit, or save this money.

Jesus christ dude. Listen to yourself. Talk about making massive assumptions about people you have never met and know nothing about. And what the fuck does putting quotes around "family" mean anyway? You should be ashamed that you would say something as callous as this. It's not enough to demonize Floyd, you have to demonize his family, too? You must really need your narrative to be correct...

And your frequent insinuations that drug addicts are immoral people who don't deserve due process or compassion is ugly, and not at all appropriate for a forum full of drug users and addicts who use this place for support.

 

[PriestTheyCalledHim]

No. That’s not what I said. It’s not ‘fine’ that anyone would do such things, on drugs or otherwise.

I’m saying two things really. One is that those actions were immaterial in the trial of Chauvin. The other, is that on this judgement-free harm reduction site we are pretty big on the idea that drug addicts are ultimately capable of redemption and worthy of forgiveness once they sort themselves out. Floyd may not have been at that point yet, but we’ll never know if he could have made it. Because HE WAS MURDERED.

There’s more than a few ex-women bashing standover merchants here on BL. In fact there’s a whole bunch of people who actively encourage violence in certain situations. I don’t see you wishing extra-judicial murder on any of them.

In either case, you’ve made your point you find Floyd distateful in life and believe society improved by his death. Stop being repetitive. It looks like gloating. And gloating is ugly.

What are 'ex-women'? The only MURDER that George Floyd did was SELF-MURDER or suicide by drug overdose, as he had high mg of opiates/fentanyl and METH he took that day. But oh that knee to the neck, err shoulder is the real culprit.

BLM, as well as the Black Panthers both original and new, Nation of Islam, Black Israelites, etc. are all racist black supremacist hate/domestic terrorist groups on par with the KKK of the past. Their tactics are literally the same as the KKK, witness intimidation, threat of violence and etc... They are willing to kill innocent people.

 

[Zephyn]

What are 'ex-women'? The only MURDER that George Floyd did was SELF-MURDER or suicide by drug overdose, as he had high mg of opiates/fentanyl and METH he took that day. But oh that knee to the neck, err shoulder is the real culprit.

BLM, as well as the Black Panthers both original and new, Nation of Islam, Black Israelites, etc. are all racist black supremacist hate/domestic terrorist groups on par with the KKK of the past. Their tactics are literally the same as the KKK, witness intimidation, threat of violence and etc... They are willing to kill innocent people.

Do you, or have you ever, used drugs? Just trying to figure out your biases here

 

[PriestTheyCalledHim]

Do you, or have you ever, used drugs? Just trying to figure out your biases here

Yes. I was much more into psychedelic drugs, than the super boring hard drugs that killed friends of mine and the ones who 'survived' had their lives ruined from them and said how if they could change anything they would have never used drugs or their DOCs, or just smoked hash on weekends only. :-/

 

[Kaden_Nite]

Do you, or have you ever, used drugs? Just trying to figure out your biases here

I think I heard he was addicted to PCP (I'll assume it to be factual) which also means he knowingly associates with criminals. Couple that with his automated tendency to defend murderers and we have a real worrier here..

 

[Xorkoth]

So? People can and do overdose and die from lower levels or mg of opiates and/or METH all the time.

I put 'family' in quotes as his children when told their father died had no idea who he was, what he looked like, what his name was, etc. as he would rather smoke METH, crack, use opiates/heroin which he died from, and rob people and stores than spend time with them. His siblings and other relatives knew he is a violent sociopath that would think nothing of robbing them so their acting, or hamming it up for the media with crocodile tears is a joke.

I did not say that about drug addicts. George Floyd was a violent out of control criminal and a sociopath as he had no regret hurting his family, or the pregnant woman he robbed, beat up, threatened with a gun and he and his 'crew' probably gang raped her or sexually assaulted her, and he eventually died from a drug overdose.

I'd like to see you say that to their faces. But your true colors are showing, so good to know.

 

[Foreigner]

Glad Chauvin got convicted on 3 counts, but any bets that his sentence will somehow be mediocre?

Without bystander filming this scumbag would have got off, no matter how many witnesses came forward. The police bodycams didn't even show the worst of it.

 

[PriestTheyCalledHim]

I think I heard he was addicted to PCP (I'll assume it to be factual) which also means he knowingly associates with criminals. Couple that with his automated tendency to defend murderers and we have a real worrier here..

Nope, PCP was/is super common in the area I grew up in but I have never used Angel-dust, wet, crystal THC as it was called decades before synthetic cannabinoids, Ketamine, DXM, or any classic disassociative drugs. They did not appeal to me and did not seem like sexy or fun downers/highs. I have seen friends on these drugs. They were extremely confused, stumbling around, could not move, and would sometimes vomit if they took too much. Or when they came off of them, if taken in large amounts, they said how they had thought they had died via overdose.

My friends that used them all a lot got really weird, and it damaged their vital organs, and destroyed any short and long term memory recall they had as adults in our 20s...So I never used any.

 

[alasdairm]

the state will be asking for a lengthier than usual (under state guidelines) citing aggravating factors.

i expect at least 20 years given the most serious if the charges.

alasdair

 

[Jabberwocky]

George Floyd was a violent out of control criminal and a sociopath as he had no regret hurting his family, or the pregnant woman he robbed, beat up, threatened with a gun and he and his 'crew' probably gang raped her or sexually assaulted her, and he eventually died from a drug overdose.

Priest, that's just fucking slanderous defamation man. Ans it really opens up the question of what other statements you've made about the man are just equally made up bullshit. The more people like you slander the guy, the worse he is going to appear. And that's clearly your goal.

 

[dalpat077]

 

[Jabberwocky]

What are 'ex-women'?

The hyphen was in the wrong place. But the intent was clear. There are many people on BL, myself amongst them, whose behaviour on drugs paralleled at one time or another Floyd's behaviour. Personally I have never been violent but I ignored my daughter for 2 years and wanted to deny parentage permanently because I was so fucked up and ashamed of myself on coke. No worse than the way Floyd ignored his kids. I got well and have a wonderful relationship with her now. Sadly Floyd and his daughter will never have the chance to have that happen. Because, you know, he was murdered in an extra-judicial killing.

Calling him out as some kind of special monster while not calling out all a good proportion of BL makes no sense. I've lived in countries where the police were big on extra-judicial killing. Mostly it was drug dealers and users. But you know who violent cops tend to hate as much as druggies. Queers like you. You'd be so damn close to to the top of the list if you lived in the kind of system you seem to be endorsing.

 

[Bagseed]

in case priest didn't make it clear enough:

METH

 

[PriestTheyCalledHim]

I'd like to see you say that to their faces. But your true colors are showing, so good to know.

Haha I gladly would but what would the point be? I do not need to tell them this, as everyone already knows it. They will just fight over the money and try to steal it away from each other.

Meanwhile, so many other people are getting killed each day, including a lot of black people killed and actually murdered by other black people, and nobody is donating a cent to them or their families.

Minneapolis just spent 27 million dollars giving a bunch of idiots free money.

But the Floyd 'family' lied about what the money needed was for. They said it was for funeral, eulogy, and Floyd daughter's college tuition-which college would ever accept her besides a racist woke joke of a college/uni?- with multiple gofraudme accounts, yet all those were payed by black celebrities including Kanye West, Floyd Mayweather-people in Minneapolis and in the USA are out of work homeless, or almost homeless, and struggling to buy food, but buying a solid gold casket to feed Mayweather's narcissism and get media attention was more important-and the taxpayers of Minneapolis and in Minnesota will be paying this for decades.

 

[PriestTheyCalledHim]

The hyphen was in the wrong place. But the intent was clear. There are many people on BL, myself amongst them, whose behaviour on drugs paralleled at one time or another Floyd's behaviour. Personally I have never been violent but I ignored my daughter for 2 years and wanted to deny parentage permanently because I was so fucked up and ashamed of myself on coke. No worse than the way Floyd ignored his kids. I got well and have a wonderful relationship with her now. Sadly Floyd and his daughter will never have the chance to have that happen. Because, you know, he was murdered in an extra-judicial killing.

Calling him out as some kind of special monster while not calling out all a good proportion of BL makes no sense. I've lived in countries where the police were big on extra-judicial killing. Mostly it was drug dealers and users. But you know who violent cops tend to hate as much as druggies. Queers like you. You'd be so damn close to to the top of the list if you lived in the kind of system you seem to be endorsing.

That is good you were never violent and that you have repaired your relationship with your daughter and any other children you have.

If someone on this site is violent, physically/sexually abusive, or causes PTSD to others I would not like it.

Which countries did you live in or travel to where the police would kill or torture civilians besides the Philippines, Thailand, and Indonesia?

 

[Jabberwocky]

Which countries did you live in or travel to where the police would kill or torture civilians besides the Philippines, Thailand, and Indonesia?

I lived in Indonesia during a period of large scale officially sanctioned extra-judicial killings and occasionally saw the results in the streets. I worked in the Philippines, Burma, Thailand, Malaysia, and the PRC during periods where there were regular extra-judicial killings. I was arrested a couple of times for non-drug related matters (intimidation by business partners and ex employees) and feared for my life more than once at the hands of police or military officers.

 

[birdup.snaildown]

murder is a more serious crime than armed robbery and assault. he should receive a harsher sentence.

I'm not convinced Chauvin is guilty of murder.

No situation is black and white.

No situation is absolutely black and white, but everything is relative.

If Chauvin put a gun to Floyd's head and pulled the trigger on camera, that'd be much closer to black and white than the situation that occurred.

Chauvin is going to get more time than Floyd did when he pistol whipped a pregnant woman... That leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

I don't understand this argument. It's not relevant.

I didn't make an argument. I just think it's wrong. Not saying that Floyd's criminal history should influence Chauvin's sentencing... Child molesters get less jail time than Chauvin is likely to get. I also think that's wrong.

I certainly empathize with your quest for certainty. Don't dwell on it though, you've argued your side passionately throughout this thread. I think you do need to acknowledge that the standards you have in mind just aren't what the majority of people agree with. That needn't feel "right" or "fair". In a perfect world, certainty would be what we work with at all times. It isn't a perfect world though. Perhaps you have a bit of idealist to you, I say that as a compliment. Idealism is a good thing, but it can, sometimes, make things harder or less practical. What do you think?

As always, I appreciate your kind words. It's been a pleasure discussing this with you, even though we happen to disagree on most of what is being said here.

I don't agree that the "majority" of people disagree with me. I honestly suspect that the majority of people on Earth would agree with me, particularly if the case wasn't so polarizing and politicized.

I'm definitely idealistic, but much less so than I used to be.

For the record: I never used the word certainty. You did. I said beyond reasonable doubt... Nothing is certain in this world.

Some people are arguing that the trial was not fair to Chauvin. However the trial does not take place in a vacuum and public discussion about the case is unavoidable as are attempts by interested parties to influence the outcome by influencing the discourse. This is the orincipal reason why juries are sequestered (not for their protection, but so their field of vision and their judgement is limited to the case and they are kept away from the broader public discourse).

Can anyone point to where Chauvin had been unreasonably denied either due process or natural justice as commonly understood in the American judicial system?

What was uniquely unfair to Chauvin (as opposed to a systemic injustice all accused persons face in the US when before the courts)?

The trial was destined to be unfair. The jurors (and everyone else involved) know that a non-guilty verdict means more deaths. This is going to influence decision making.

If Floyd was white trash, I strongly believe the outcome of the trial would have been different.

 

[birdup.snaildown]

BLM wouldn't exist if people like George Floyd weren't "accidentally" killed by cops a liiiiittle too often

What is a reasonable amount of accidental deaths (at the hands of police) in a population of 330 million?

BLM shouldn't exist, because white people are more likely to be fatally shot by police if you take into account the fact that the overwhelming majority of violent crimes are committed by African and Latino Americans.

 

[Jabberwocky]

BLM shouldn't exist, because white people are more likely to be fatally shot by police if you take into account the fact that the overwhelming majority of violent crimes are committed by African and Latino Americans.

I wonder what that sentence would look like if it were reframed in colourblind terms of class? Are people likely to be shot by police in the same wealth/income bracket as people likely to commit violent crimes.