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Covid-19 Who's planning on getting a COVID-19 vaccine? (Poll)

birdup.snaildown said:
The poll results on this thread are, unfortunately, eerily similar to polls conducted in the US.

Only 50% of Americans want to be vaccinated against a virus that has killed over half a million fellow citizens.
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Well 50 % of them will just have to die then right? ;)

Ignore me. Only caught 3.5 hours deep kip but had acid indigestion so stayed up drank kava vaped loadsa weed....
 
Getting my second dose tomorrow.

Hope i get that same nurse again she was kind of hot, I gave her a quick flash of the male gaze and made her a bit shy, it was kind of cute, she got flustered

I didn't feel the syringe at all last time. For a moment i thought i didnt even get it. Hours later this paranoia was proven wrong.

Perhaps tomorrow ill put on a tourniquet right before, extend my arm out, slap on my veins and say, "let make this one count".
 
The world shares the problem.

My partner has been vaccinated and I'll be doing it eventually but not eligible yet. He also likes to make remarks about super spreader events such as Trump rallies/insurrections and "letting them die" as a solution.

I mean, it's funny haha but it's not a solution or at the least it's not a contained solution.

The world shares the problem.
 
birdup.snaildown said:
@thegreenhand

I didn't get vaccinated for myself.
I did it for my country.
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Quoted for truth. You seem to have a very accurate idea of the purpose and function of vaccines and I appreciate you standing up to a lot of shit in this thread.

Since the beginning of this pandemic, I have thought about social distancing, wearing masks, staying home as my duty. If I were to get the virus I would probably be fine since I am young and healthy, but its not just about me. I will get the vaccine as early as possible, because that is what will reduce me spreading the virus to those that are weaker and more vulnerable than myself. Staying home and getting a shot in your arm is a lot better of a deal than storming the beaches of normady, but you do it for the same reason. For your country.

Those saying vaccines are 'too new' and theres 'not enough data'. No, just no. Its not true. There is plenty of data. All the doctors and scientists dropped what they were doing and focused on this for the betterment of everyone else. The technology for mRNA vaccines has been in development for decades, which allows us to cut out the middle man and develop vaccines quicker. So to try and compare these newer vaccines to older vaccines, designed using older technology to target less dangerous diseases, with less urgency is absolutely asinine.
 
@w01fg4ng

Yeah I oscillate between glass-half-empty and glass-half-full. On one hand, it frustrates me that so many people selfishly refuse to get vaccinated... But it's easy to focus on the negatives. I keep reminding myself (when I'm feeling depressed about COVID) that most of the world is actually united. We are working together against a common enemy. I don't know if that has ever happened before on a global scale.

There is always a silver lining.
 
Pickledlemons said:
Quoted for truth. You seem to have a very accurate idea of the purpose and function of vaccines and I appreciate you standing up to a lot of shit in this thread.

Since the beginning of this pandemic, I have thought about social distancing, wearing masks, staying home as my duty. If I were to get the virus I would probably be fine since I am young and healthy, but its not just about me. I will get the vaccine as early as possible, because that is what will reduce me spreading the virus to those that are weaker and more vulnerable than myself. Staying home and getting a shot in your arm is a lot better of a deal than storming the beaches of normady, but you do it for the same reason. For your country.

Those saying vaccines are 'too new' and theres 'not enough data'. No, just no. Its not true. There is plenty of data. All the doctors and scientists dropped what they were doing and focused on this for the betterment of everyone else. The technology for mRNA vaccines has been in development for decades, which allows us to cut out the middle man and develop vaccines quicker. So to try and compare these newer vaccines to older vaccines, designed using older technology to target less dangerous diseases, with less urgency is absolutely asinine.
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"we don't know enough about the long term effects" is the standard excuse for avoiding all technology someone's afraid of.

It's perfect because they can set the long term to forever and it doesn't matter what evidence is presented because that's "short term".

It's especially annoying with covid because even if there were long term risks, the known short term risks are far more real and far more dangerous.

But people won't listen.
 
JessFR said:
"we don't know enough about the long term effects" is the standard excuse for avoiding all technology someone's afraid of.

It's perfect because they can set the long term to forever and it doesn't matter what evidence is presented because that's "short term".

It's especially annoying with covid because even if there were long term risks, the known short term risks are far more real and far more dangerous.

But people won't listen.
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i dont know if this is a fair criticism. maybe some fools use the ever extending long term to avoid any real intelligent reasoning, but not everyone

the short term risks are not necessarily more real and dangerous, especially if you are young. now before you say that getting vaccinated is for others, i have a couple points for that too:

1) getting vaccinated for others makes no difference long term if we create a selection pressure on the virus and a deadlier variant evolves
2) we have been wrong about treatments before when we first began administering them
3) there is a lot of money in this business and given how much shit pharma companies normally get from the general population, i struggle to see why all of a sudden we trust them unconditionally with this

just my $.02
 
thegreenhand said:
i dont know if this is a fair criticism. maybe some fools use the ever extending long term to avoid any real intelligent reasoning, but not everyone

the short term risks are not necessarily more real and dangerous, especially if you are young. now before you say that getting vaccinated is for others, i have a couple points for that too:

1) getting vaccinated for others makes no difference long term if we create a selection pressure on the virus and a deadlier variant evolves
2) we have been wrong about treatments before when we first began administering them
3) there is a lot of money in this business and given how much shit pharma companies normally get from the general population, i struggle to see why all of a sudden we trust them unconditionally with this

just my $.02
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1. Is why we need everyone to be taking the vaccine and should be helping poorer countries with it.
2. Not often, and almost never when it involved large scale testing. And in this case it's especially crazy because worrying about the vaccine is trading the exceedingly unlikely chance that there's unknown long term consequences to the vaccine that we somehow don't or can't know about. For the certainty of millions of deaths in just the short term and near certain long term side effects. It makes no sense. Its just an excuse.

3. Well the general public are idiots. I've long ranted at the pharmaphobia people exhibit. Sure, "big pharma" is not perfect, and yes there has been corruptions. But only a fool would deny the number of times modern medicine has saved lives. Or pharmaceutical companies role in it.

I myself was cured of hep c cause of 3 months of 1 pill a day with zero side effects. You know what hepatitis c does without treatment right?

So sure, some people blindly mistrust pharmaceutical products and by extension all of modern medicine. But I don't.

It's also hilarious that those tend to be the same people who point as remdesivir or hydroxychloroquine as alternative saviors in spite of also being pharmaceutical products made by pharmaceutical companies. Except there's no good evidence at all hydroxychloroquine does anything and never was. Another case of selective excuses used on an as needed basis.
 
the anti pharma thoughts are hard for me to get around, i will admit.

we've seen them mess things up before, and the fact that they wanted to be removed of all liability before selling to the govt (at least in the US, idk the global situation). really doesn't sit right with me. perhaps i'm too pessimistic, but something deep within me is telling me that these companies are not here for the good of humanity. i'm enough of a capitalist to know that most capitalists are up to no good, i guess would be the way to put it.

i'm curious do you support the idea of vaccine passports? sorry if this was already discussed, i havent read every page of this thread
 
thegreenhand said:
the anti pharma thoughts are hard for me to get around, i will admit.

we've seen them mess things up before, and the fact that they wanted to be removed of all liability before selling to the govt (at least in the US, idk the global situation). really doesn't sit right with me. perhaps i'm too pessimistic, but something deep within me is telling me that these companies are not here for the good of humanity. i'm enough of a capitalist to know that most capitalists are up to no good, i guess would be the way to put it.

i'm curious do you support the idea of vaccine passports? sorry if this was already discussed, i havent read every page of this thread
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Of course they're not here for the good of humanity. They're a for profit operation. But that doesn't mean that inside our modern regulatory structures that their products aren't safe and effective.

Just because they are in the business of saving lives doesn't mean the latter is invalidated by the former.

As for vaccine passports I haven't formed much of an opinion yet and haven't weight enough of the pros and cons. But I don't outright oppose them in concept no.

This is hardly the first time freedoms have had to be temporarily curtailed because of a public health epidemic. It's not the first time America has done it. It's just that most Americans are completely ignorant of the history and a culture of freedom at all costs has emerged over time. I blame the cold War. It made everything about America more extreme. It made capitalism more extreme, religion, adherence to freedom, basically anything we could differentiate ourselves with our communist enemies with we became obsessed over to our detriment.

It's why we have God in trust stamped on currency. It's why Americans think regulation is a communist word. It's why so many would rather die of covid than have their liberties reduced to any degree for any length of time.
 
JessFR said:
Of course they're not here for the good of humanity. They're a for profit operation. But that doesn't mean that inside our modern regulatory structures that their products aren't safe and effective.

Just because they are in the business of saving lives doesn't mean the latter is invalidated by the former.

As for vaccine passports I haven't formed much of an opinion yet and haven't weight enough of the pros and cons. But I don't outright oppose them in concept no.
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i guess i would counter that the regulatory structures themselves are not infallible either. kickbacks, lobbying, etc.

i know probably am sounding like a conspiracy theorist idiot, but really that is not my rationale. i just have little faith left in the powers that be
 
thegreenhand said:
i guess i would counter that the regulatory structures themselves are not infallible either. kickbacks, lobbying, etc.

i know probably am sounding like a conspiracy theorist idiot, but really that is not my rationale. i just have little faith left in the powers that be
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The world is not America. The same vaccines have had to meet the combined regulatory structure of the entire planet. I'm satisfied.

Especially when we are already beginning to see the benefits of vaccination in some places. And the harms of not vaccinating as so terrible and undeniable (by non retards I mean).
 
JessFR said:
The world is not America. The same vaccines have had to meet the combined regulatory structure of the entire planet. I'm satisfied.

Especially when we are already beginning to see the benefits of vaccination in some places. And the harms of not vaccinating as so terrible and undeniable (by non retards I mean).
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true. but i dont necessarily think the WHO is leagues above the CDC in terms of honesty. although of course, not like we have any way to know for sure

not sure if you're calling me a retard (i dont think you are?) but i've never denied that covid is a devastating thing
 
thegreenhand said:
true. but i dont necessarily think the WHO is leagues above the CDC in terms of honesty. although of course, not like we have any way to know for sure

not sure if you're calling me a retard (i dont think you are?) but i've never denied that covid is a devastating thing
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I wasn't calling you a retard no. And as for the who, the who isn't leagues above the cdc it's leagues below it. It's pretty clear it's been corrupted by China (yet another reason why becoming more insulated and withdrawing from the world as trump liked was insane).

No I'm talking about the regulatory framework of all the countries that are rolling out the vaccine. The pficer Pfizer and astrazeneca vaccine has been cleared independently by dozens of health agencies in dozens of countries. It wouldn't just be them supposedly providing kickbacks to the FDA but their counterparts in Australia Canada the UK new Zealand, the EU. If you think the world's that corrupt and conspiratorial. Then we're well past the point of sensible levels of doubt.
 
birdup.snaildown said:
@w01fg4ng

Yeah I oscillate between glass-half-empty and glass-half-full. On one hand, it frustrates me that so many people selfishly refuse to get vaccinated... But it's easy to focus on the negatives. I keep reminding myself (when I'm feeling depressed about COVID) that most of the world is actually united. We are working together against a common enemy. I don't know if that has ever happened before on a global scale.

There is always a silver lining.
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Climate change is another issue that is impossible to contemplate without globalist ideals. Some people would rather die a slow painful death before admitting that working together is beneficial.
 
JessFR said:
I wasn't calling you a retard no. And as for the who, the who isn't leagues above the cdc it's leagues below it. It's pretty clear it's been corrupted by China (yet another reason why becoming more insulated and withdrawing from the world as trump liked was insane).

No I'm talking about the regulatory framework of all the countries that are rolling out the vaccine. The pficer Pfizer and astrazeneca vaccine has been cleared independently by dozens of health agencies in dozens of countries. It wouldn't just be them supposedly providing kickbacks to the FDA but their counterparts in Australia Canada the UK new Zealand, the EU. If you think the world's that corrupt and conspiratorial. Then we're well past the point of sensible levels of doubt.
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Ah ok I see. Like I’ve said, my fear isn’t necessarily rational at all times (what fear is I guess) and I probably should do some more reading
 
Zep1 said:
But isn't that the VERY same thing that they're doing w the covid vaccine?
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No, not with the new messenger RNA (mRNA) vaccines. The older vaccine technologies work like you described, but these newer vaccines work a bit differently, I'll explain in steps.
  • You are injected with the mRNA vaccine. This is basically a set of biological blueprints for your immune system to build a small, on its own harmless, protein which is a part of the COVID-19 virus called a spike protein.
  • Your immune builds the spike protein from the mRNA blueprints and discards the mRNA blueprints.
  • Your immune system then recognises the spike protein as "foreign" and begins an immune response to get rid of it by producing antibodies.
  • Later, when you come into contact with the COVID-19 virus your immune system knows how to and has already produced antibodies to effectively attack the spike protein on it.
So no virus is introduced to your system, just the instructions to make a small, harmless part of one, and consequently no nasty virus-like side effects from it.
 
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