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Covid-19 Who's planning on getting a COVID-19 vaccine? (Poll)

As far as I'm concerned, this also applies to the virus.

Just look at measles.

this forum is CEPS we should remember what the S in CEPS stands for.

The experimental basis for both studies linked to looks prima facie scientifically weak....
No control for sample bias.
Acute effect being extrapolated without evidence.
Not longitudinal but being misrepresented as are comparing before and after measles in individuals, Instead they are comparing against 'matched controls' which is code for uncontrolled observational bullshit.
Causal bias.
Small sample error
Conflicting financial interests who owns VirScan tech?
The VirScan tool has serious validation and reproducibility issues giving another source of serious errors.
given how many potential issues are visible on scan reading it is reasonable to expect even more would be found on thorough review.
with In fact they manage to score badly on every single metric used by Cochrane for evaluating studies.


immediate warning flag, Lead author on one is Michael J Mina, Harvard Sitting Professor of Avarice and Hubris. A man who more recently showed failure to comprehend the mathematical truth that deploying a test with a low specificity and sensitivity to test a population with low prevalence of true positives gives worse outcome than no testing at all. The vast majority of the positives you see will be false and even then some positives will be missed. Needless to say Michael J Mina has significant financial interest in promoting these tests.

We may not know everything about measles, the world would be dull if we knew everything, we do know a lot about people pitching a story promoting tech that they will profit personally from. Academics are not immune from financial and scientific bad behavior they are the worst because they never get fired.

The one thing COVID kills with 100% fatality rate is decent science.
 
@thegreenhand

I understand being apprehensive about getting a vaccination. There is a lot of negative hype floating around. If you contract the virus, though, you might pass it on to someone else and they could pass it on to a dozen people... and so on, and so forth. Not getting vaccinated could cause deaths.

My brother is in his 40s. Lifelong alcoholic. Overweight. Chain smoker for three decades. He lives in a third world country that is riddled with COVID. He says he doesn't want to get vaccinated because the only one available over there is AstraZeneca and he is concerned about blood clotting. I haven't bothered trying to convince him otherwise, because he is as stubborn as a dead mule... If he was 19 years old, I admit that I would not be concerned about him.
Vodka cures the COVID look at the Belarus.

Australasian Koolaid on the other hand causes baldness, erectile disfunction and...

Lots of coulds in your first papragraph. There is zero properly controlled evidence that vaccination prevents infection. The vaccines reduce symptoms which probably reduces transmission coughs and sneezes spread diseases, but this effect is only if asymptomatic transmission is not important. If asymptomatic transmission is not important then what is the point of lockdowns and masks and testing asymptomatic individuals?

There is no consistency to the story. The narrative keeps colliding with simple facts and coming off worse. They are pissing on your head and telling you its raining. Because you believe it is actually raining you feel the need to get an umbrella to keep your head dry.

If you hard think about how vaccines work you will understand why this is the truth.

It has long gotten beyond boring. I can wait for people to catch up, take a vaccine, don't take a vaccine, wear a mask don't wear a mask I don't care because it doesn't matter in the great scheme of things, some may never figure it out and will wonder around talking about yellow rain and virtue signalling showing off their new umbrellas.(vaccine)
PT Barnum said a sucker was born every day.
 
@novaveritas

Australia isn't going to go back to normal unless a substantial number of people are vaccinated. Perhaps that's stupid. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if mistakes are being made. Politicians aren't scientists. But, it doesn't matter. That's just how it is. People can jump up and down about masks and lock-downs all they like, nobody is going to listen. Again, perhaps they should listen... but they're not going to. I don't see the point pulling my hair out over something beyond my control unless it's really important.

You're right, it's still possible for me to contract and transmit the virus even after I have both jabs... but it is less likely and (from my limited understanding) I would be delivering a lower viral load.

I'm not particularly invested in that measles article. I just googled it as an example of a virus having long-term effects. Unless your argument is that no viruses have long-term effects (surely that is not your argument?) it doesn't matter if that particular study is flawed. The point I was making is: we don't know the long-term risks of contracting COVID-19.

The only sensible argument against the approved vaccines is potential long-term damage to the body. This is possible, but unlikely... but it is also possible that the virus causes long-term damage to the body.

Are you completely anti-vax, or is your concern the relative lack of testing as it pertains to COVID vaccines?

You spend a lot of time and energy trying to convince people on the internet of various COVID-related conspiracies. You're not the only one. I've encountered heaps of people over the past year that seem to be rabidly anti-mask, anti-vax and anti-lockdown. It leaves me scratching my head, wondering why. Even if you're right, the world isn't going to listen to you.
 
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@novaveritas

Australia isn't going to go back to normal unless a substantial number of people are vaccinated. Perhaps that's stupid. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if mistakes are being made. Politicians aren't scientists. But, it doesn't matter. That's just how it is. People can jump up and down about masks and lock-downs all they like, nobody is going to listen. Again, perhaps they should listen... but they're not going to. I don't see the point pulling my hair out over something beyond my control unless it's really important.

You're right, it's still possible for me to contract and transmit the virus even after I have both jabs... but it is less likely and (from my limited understanding) I would be delivering a lower viral load.

I'm not particularly invested in that measles article. I just googled it as an example of a virus having long-term effects. Unless your argument is that no viruses have long-term effects (surely that is not your argument?) it doesn't matter if that particular study is flawed. The point I was making is: we don't know the long-term risks of contracting COVID-19.

The only sensible argument against the approved vaccines is potential long-term damage to the body. This is possible, but unlikely... but it is also possible that the virus causes long-term damage to the body.

Are you completely anti-vax, or is your concern the relative lack of testing as it pertains to COVID vaccines?
Neither I am pro science. If people weigh it up and think the vaccine is worth it for you in absolute terms then go for it.

You spend a lot of time and energy trying to convince people on the internet of various COVID-related conspiracies. You're not the only one. I've encountered heaps of people over the past year that seem to be rabidly anti-mask, anti-vax and anti-lockdown. It leaves me scratching my head, wondering why. Even if you're right, the world isn't going to listen to you.
I can do all of that without breaking sweat. The world may not listen, that indeed is true. Over half of the people are below average intelligence, just think how dumb the average person is half are even dumber...

If someone asks you in ten years time were you taken in by the collective delusion you birdy snail person will have to say yes. If someone asks you in decade what did you, snaily birdman do to prevent a misguided authoritarian technocracy taking root you can say, I heroically sat there scratching my head and did nothing. You know who Martin Niemöller was?
 
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Dude, you don't have to be so unpleasant. Frankly, I am skimming through your posts now because I'm not super fond of constantly being told I'm intellectually inferior... and (honestly) I don't think you're as smart as you think you are.

novaveritas said:
If someone asks you in decade what did you, snaily birdman do to prevent a misguided authoritarian technocracy taking root you can say, I heroically sat there scratching my head and did nothing.

If someone asks me what I did, I will say I got vaccinated early for the sake of the vulnerable citizens of my country. I work with very sick people. I didn't think twice about it. What would you say if asked the same question?
 
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todays
Dude, you don't have to be so unpleasant. Frankly, I am skimming through your posts now because I'm not super fond of constantly being told I'm intellectually inferior... and (honestly) I don't think you're as smart as you think you are.
perhaps
 
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I've encountered heaps of people over the past year that seem to be rabidly anti-mask, anti-vax and anti-lockdown. It leaves me scratching my head, wondering why.
I freely confess to being one of those exact stereotypes, but with respect, the Why for me is the other way round entirely.

COVID didn’t even shake my own perch and I have next to zero immunity.

Had it once, treated and overcame it very quickly and easily, recovered fast without lasting harm or complications.

While lockdowns and vital treatments denied, resulting in irrecoverable side effects from multiple other infections which never have seen the headlines despite being silently prevalent on a grand level, has me now not even fighting for life as I have no fight left.

Lockdowns have destroyed my own life, health and chances of a future. Covid did nothing of the sort.

Just one short brush, which I knew how to manage and treat very well from the onset, and none since. 71 year old mum same experience as well as numerous old friends of hers.

We’ve all suffered hell because of the lockdowns though.

No deaths currently recorded in UK for heart disease or diabetes, flu allegedly doesn’t exist anymore even though I had the real thing myself for the typical exact 6 weeks from 24th December- I would take 5 consecutive Covid infections vs one more 6 week brush with true flu.

Mask wearing, within 1 minute you have exceeded maximum toxicity for your own carbon dioxide intake, deoxygenating you by the millisecond, all you breathe is damp air.

Now Anthony Fauci...I mean, Science! Aside. On paper, those exact circumstances and side effects of mask wearing, are going to substantially increase your likelihood of developing a respiratory infection and not fending it off, should you contract any particular germ particles.

Add to that, any infection one is carrying, breathing the spores all into their mask, which like the multi-sided super hygiene unaware handkerchief kaffumblers, scrapping outside every public building upon entrance to put their masks on, hand surface contact with virus spores, to then spread on every trolley, basket, door handle, card machine etc.

It’s actually a recipe for an infection rate boom. On paper.

I fully fully agree with and support the logic of what @novaveritas is saying all the way, myself and no shame in admitting which camp I stand in.

I’m not alone in how my own life, health both physically and mentally has been destroyed by lockdowns and treatment denial. Many have died of denied treatment, suicide, extra stress worsening general conditions.

Yet we only saw I believe a very mild and within realm increase in total death numbers last year, when in reality, Covid aside, there have been countless extra deaths or impending ones, including possibly my own imminently we shall see.

All directly from Lockdowns. The way the vaccine side effects have been covered up and censored is pretty shocking but good job I say they are doing very well to keep the lid on that to keep those volunteers queuing up to get as many eggs in the basket as fast as they can before the truth emerges.

Too many people have been crippled, disabled already by the vaccine, previously in full normal health. Obviously zero of this is reported by the media and heavily censored on all main social media platforms.

I can call it nothing but the greatest red herring scam of all time. Genocide. Mass Life destruction. Totalitarian control taking regime, dressed up in a pretty coloured package and visible for continuous reinforcement everywhere the eyes and ears turn. The most comprehensive, calculated and intricate PR stunt ever hands down.
 
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@AutoTripper

I'm sorry you've had a rough time. I don't pretend for one second that COVID has been handled perfectly. Far from it. I sympathize, but your situation doesn't change my opinion.

AutoTripper said:
Mask wearing, within 1 minute you have exceeded maximum toxicity for your own carbon dioxide intake

That made me laugh.

I tend to believe climate change scientists over random people on the internet. Don't you? I maintain some level of scepticism at all times, but I'm not arrogant enough to think I know more than an entire industry because I spent some time on Google. I don't mean any offense by this. You're a nice guy and you've always treated me with respect.

What you said just now about masks is nonsense, but I've spent enough time arguing with people online to know that you're unlikely to change your mind. If I was you, I'd hate masks and lockdowns too.

The truth is: hospitals in the UK were overwhelmed because of a lack of action. I work in the healthcare industry in Australia and I know a shitload of people with all sorts of serious conditions. Guess how many of them suffered like you because of COVID?
 
@AutoTripper

I'm sorry you've had a rough time. I don't pretend for one second that COVID has been handled perfectly. Far from it. I sympathize, but your situation doesn't change my opinion.



That made me laugh.

I tend to believe climate change scientists over random people on the internet. Don't you? I maintain some level of scepticism at all times, but I'm not arrogant enough to think I know more than an entire industry because I spent some time on Google. I don't mean any offense by this. You're a nice guy and you've always treated me with respect.

What you said just now about masks is nonsense, but I've spent enough time arguing with people online to know that you're unlikely to change your mind. If I was you, I'd hate masks and lockdowns too.

The truth is: hospitals in the UK were overwhelmed because of a lack of action. I work in the healthcare industry in Australia and I know a shitload of people with all sorts of serious conditions. Guess how many of them suffered like you because of COVID?
I expected a response from you to the exact, polite and respectful tone, and content.

I know we are poles apart with no likely meeting point on this so my intention is least to cause either of us stress debating our vastly contrasting sides.

I don’t doubt you knowing many chronic condition sufferers who have taken a big hit too. Exactly my point, I’m far from alone. But we are all accepted as collateral damage.

My own case is more unique as I’m able to employ the use of the deliberately corruptly outlawed method of treating infections especially life threatening respiratory ones- electromedicine. This alone is instantly effective against all types of infections I’ve ever know, many hundreds, including Covid against which it was highly effective, Covid being far less resistant to the electricity current than the Coxsackie viruses and Influenza.

If the hospitals and doctors were trained and employed by people whose genuine intent was healing and helping the sick, in a non corrupted world and healthcare system, electromedicine would take the forefront in hospital and home settings.

It could be developed and pioneered infinitely further. Currently it’s one man tax paying operations in garages, operating alone with minimal resources under ridiculous red tape regulations and ultimately outlaw, purely out of a devotion towards helping humanity, under the closest FDA scupal, only allowed to sell such devices for pet, and water use, officially.

When this stuff is lifesaving beyond the typical imagination.

Seriously, I wouldn’t expect a single death from respiratory Covid related infection when electromedicine is applied in time.

Be sure as hell they know that, the ptb, hence the war against it, just like CBD and Medical cannabis to refer to a couple things for which there is no scientific justification to outlaw in the first place, which (true) science has shone through to make increasingly abundantly clear.

Yet still I would face legal consequences if caught possessing organic cannabis.

Only my dog is legally allowed to drink kava in this household under UK laws.

And I don’t know what the situation is presently but it was alarming to me personally to hear Australia’s austere stance on CBD a while ago, long after it’s established it’s reputation for not being just harmless, but supremely medicinal, in banning it from entering Australia.

The establishment screams of corruption so loudly, always has.

I don’t believe those “climate change” experts, who only adopted this new definition after they could no longer credibly push the previous line of “global warming”.

They aren’t telling us, at large, why they have been planet wide chemtrailing us for many decades at least which I’ve seen undeniably with my own eyes too many times, off and on to levels of extreme, H.A.A.R.P EMF waves visibly active, literally turned on and off in the blink of an eye.

So these experts, who we are supposed to trust, should by rights be privy to the highest, fullest level of intel.

Yet like I say, we hear nothing about the Longterm chemtrailing yet we should take their word on what causes bizarre weather patterns and climate change, when there exist possibly thousands of individual patents for advanced technologies and methods to manipulate, alter, and control both weather and climate conditions.

Like Bill Gates recently breaking cover a bit, suggesting it would be the best idea if he saturates the upper atmosphere with (I forget what term he chose, might have been “sand” when really it’s some Frankenstein concoction of chemicals, heavy metals, aluminium and nanoparticles included) to block out the sun and save us all.

Well Bill, you’ve already been doing exactly that for decades, and still you tell us our testicles are shrinking unless we do something urgently.

Just so so many gigantic cracks.

I don’t think my comments on the backfires of mask wearing are at all illegitimate personally. I didn’t expect that argument to be readily accepted either.

I have to speak my honest mind on these things. But I don’t mean to offend or touch nerves, I obviously don’t expect many to agree with me, and I do respect your sensitive and respectful way of responding @birdup.snaildown despite the huge fences of view and belief which stand unscalable for now between us,
 
AutoTripper said:
I don’t doubt you knowing many chronic condition sufferers who have taken a big hit too. Exactly my point, I’m far from alone.

You completely misunderstood my point. Nobody I know was denied vital treatments because our hospitals weren't overwhelmed by a pandemic that we chose to ignore. Australia did a lock-down early. The lock-down prevented suffering.

I wouldn’t expect a single death from respiratory Covid related infection when electromedicine is applied in time... I don’t believe those “climate change” experts... they have been planet wide chemtrailing us for many decades at least which I’ve seen undeniably with my own eyes too many times...

Wow, okay. I'm not sure what to say to you about any of that.

I don’t mean to offend or touch nerves, I obviously don’t expect many to agree with me, and I do respect your sensitive and respectful way of responding @birdup.snaildown despite the huge fences of view and belief which stand unscalable for now between us,

You're not upsetting me in the slightest and neither did anything that @novaveritas said. I think you both have some delusions, but that doesn't bother me... Why would it?
 
You completely misunderstood my point. Nobody I know was denied vital treatments because our hospitals weren't overwhelmed by a pandemic that we chose to ignore. Australia did a lock-down early. The lock-down prevented suffering.



Wow, okay. I'm not sure what to say to you about any of that.



You're not upsetting me in the slightest and neither did anything that @novaveritas said. I think you both have some delusions, but that doesn't bother me... Why would it?
I was admittedly unsure on my interpretation of your first point above. I was considerate I may be taking it entirely the opposite way.

The electromedicine I speak of, wrt it’s instant and overall effectiveness, the dramatic difference it would make if widely employed and optimally developed, you would have to see with your own eyes to be honest.

With respect again, you cannot possibly know what to say about that, as you have no personal experience or observation to be able to have any fathom or measure of it in the light I present it. I don’t mean that at all in a belittling or challenging sense.

I won’t profess not to be delusional on various levels. I think that would be arrogant. We all have belief systems, which is like a gambling station where delusion is always a real likelihood.

But that doesn’t make us wrong on this or that necessarily whatever else we may be delusional about.
 
AutoTripper said:
I was admittedly unsure on my interpretation of your first point above.

I didn't word it very well. My point is that you were denied vital treatments because Boris failed to lock-down the country in time. You are suffering because UK hospitals were overwhelmed. UK hospitals were overwhelmed because the country was not locked down. Therefore, you suffered because of a lack of lock-down. If you lived in Australia you would have received the treatment you needed. Therefore, lock-down isn't the bad guy.

I hope that makes sense.

The electromedicine I speak of, wrt it’s instant and overall effectiveness, the dramatic difference it would make if widely employed and optimally developed, you would have to see with your own eyes to be honest.

With respect again, you cannot possibly know what to say about that

I'm not suggesting that it would be a totally ineffective method of treating COVID. I'm quite comfortable admitting that I have no idea how effective it would be, but (frankly) neither do you. It's entirely possible that it did nothing to treat your infection. Perhaps you would have been totally asymptomatic without electromedicine. We don't know.

You can't say (with any accuracy) that there would be no COVID deaths.
 
I didn't word it very well. My point is that you were denied vital treatments because Boris failed to lock-down the country in time. You are suffering because UK hospitals were overwhelmed. UK hospitals were overwhelmed because the country was not locked down. Therefore, you suffered because of a lack of lock-down. If you lived in Australia you would have received the treatment you needed. Therefore, lock-down isn't the bad guy.

I hope that makes sense.



I'm not suggesting that it would be a totally ineffective method of treating COVID. I'm quite comfortable admitting that I have no idea how effective it would be, but (frankly) neither do you. It's entirely possible that it did nothing to treat your infection. Perhaps you would have been totally asymptomatic without electromedicine. We don't know.

You can't say (with any accuracy) that there would be no COVID deaths.
Yeah thanks for clarifying that, I did consider that to be your possible meaning also.

I’m no fan of Boris one spoon, but we will still have to peacefully disagree on our Lockdown necessity and justification stance if possible.

Regarding the electromedicine again I appreciate your openness in not dismissing from your imagination the mere notion it could be genuinely effective, without knowing for sure or having direct personal experience.

And I accept that I cannot possibly know how effective it would be on the whole, in every case, but my own case was not at all asymptotic but very symptomatic.

I knew about it. My respiratory infections are abnormally severe due to my sabotaged immune system. Like more than 100 times possibly the amount of infection induced respiratory mucus in particular possibly, no exaggeration, is generated due to misprogrammed immune system.

And the speed with which the mucus fills my entire lungs, and the speed at which every new infection reaches every part of my respiratory system is abnormal.

Long before Covid I was forced to explore aggressive proactive ways to treat my infections and manage otherwise fatal symptoms.

I’m remarkably in tune with my body regarding infections location, onset, severity, pattern. Exactly like a junkie (I don’t mean that derogatorily at all, I’m a junkie myself, just not with heroin- cannabis, kava, Etizolam and also LSD) knows their drugs very well over longtime, with a sharpened nose and harnessed intuition, I’m so extremely aware of allergic reactions, and infections.

They all have their own specific signature and discernities. My Covid typically started out very severe, spreading to all areas of my lungs in one day. Full to brim with mucus, high inflammation level, impossible to breathe, painful and zero energy.

As always. I admit it was bad. I applied the electrical current. It worked immediately. I sweep over 6 main spots on my lungs. As soon as I target an infected area, mucus floods up, thick sticky dense catarrh and shiny white biofilm. Until it stops, and the relief in that particular area is indescribable.

Inflammation level drops by at least 80% there and then, in that area.

Then when all the tickling and expectoration has stopped, I move to the next area.

Exactly the same again, to the exact degree matching the level of infection in each specific area.

At times, I can cover all 6 main area, an additional 3 but less commonly needed, and I at times have to go searching for the heart of the infection. I may get zero reaction, tickling, coughing, mucus expectoration and relief, until suddenly one particular area- bingo, it’s all systems go, reaction, clearance and instant wonderful relief.

Often, it’s most if not all 6 main areas to a varying degree, but it varies.

I never do the treatment for fun, never unnecessarily, although sometimes in a purely preventative or maintenance manner but mostly out of absolute dire necessity and urgency.

To save my life truly, apart from the fact that living is unbearable and comfort is impossible otherwise. The relief I get is a good 80 % reduction in inflammation, pain, mucus and so much easier to breathe and feel alive afterwards every single time until a new infection comes in.

I have cleared many many hundreds infections this way. Not a single one has bettered me, respiratory wise.

I just cannot prevent new infections due to almost zero immunity.

Just like I can tell, to the very degree, that the new 5.6% thcv CBD flower edibles mum made are actually getting me quite a bit stoned, I can tell without question that the Bluedream vaporized hits have gotten me very nicely high, the kava has me nicely uplifted, numb tongue, the Etiz has kicked in, the difference between 2 mg’s and 5 mg’s heavy sedating effect and so on, I can always tell with absolute certainty where there is need for infection treatment such is the true function of pain, a useful thing really, and the extremely abnormally severe symptoms.

So it’s honestly not one bit based in my imagination the extent to which these treatments truly work. I really couldn’t live without it.

It took quite a few successive days to really hammer the Covid down in my lungs. It responded very quickly each time, but was somewhat distinct to many others in a fast regrowing Ivy sense each day, quickly lowered again, gradually less regrown each day.

Within 4 days it was pretty stably low.

Now had I not employed the electromedicine as well as numerous alternative treatment and symptom management strategies, like a particular incredibly effective powerfully anti microbial essential oil inhaled, plus oral oil of oregano, vitamin C, D, raw garlic, cayenne, turmeric and more, as usual always (I really have to go to town on it in the name of survival 24/7/365) then I don’t rule out I could have succumbed to it myself.

It wasn’t mild at all. But it did respond very quickly and well to treatment. Just took a number of days to fully beat the ivy back.

The two Coxsackie Viruses I had afterwards were as usual, significantly harder to treat down, taking months rather than weeks.

I felt fully back to myself after lowering Covid to a dormant trace in one section of my lungs. The Coxsackie viruses were a much bigger respiratory issue, more resistant and stubborn towards treatment and also severely messed up my entire digestive system causing gastritis and diverticulitis which I didn’t recover from by the end of the year, further exacerbated by true flu, and a load more Coxsackie viruses since February due to overly depleted immune function.

I just wanted to share a little insight into why I speak with such passion on this and how it absolutely unquestionably helps to instantly lower any type of respiratory infection I’ve ever had to a non fatal, then comfortable then non existent level, which otherwise would see my end I swear.

Going by my own long experience and harnessed intuition, I feel very confident that electromedicine would most likely be extraordinarily beneficial in treating Covid related respiratory and all infections. To the point of saving countless lives.

We will never know, but I do know myself, from myself and others and Longterm study and interest in the topic of this treatment.

It’s truly a shame this is not commonly understood accepted and practised. If I didn’t care about people, and did not know how remarkably effective it is without fail when applied sufficiently and in time, I would not bother. I do care however, as I know you do yourself @birdup.snaildown or rather I get that feeling with you at least.

LAST comment. I officially, did NOT get an alert to your reply to me here. I treble checked, it isn’t there??
 
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This thread is so depressing.
I’m sorry Jess for adding to your own misery in life (no personal meaning or insinuation there). We are all on this together, we just remain so divided. Hence the depresssiveness of it all.
 
@AutoTripper

After reading about your experience with COVID, I really don't understand why you wouldn't just keep your vaccinations up to date. Frankly, it sounds like you're a prime candidate for being vaccinated. Next time if you contract a larger viral load or a more virulent strain, you might die.
 
@AutoTripper

After reading about your experience with COVID, I really don't understand why you wouldn't just keep your vaccinations up to date. Frankly, it sounds like you're a prime candidate for being vaccinated. Next time if you contract a larger viral load or a more virulent strain, you might die.
Well I had the thing, one time, it was nowhere near the most vivacious infection I’ve dealt with, and like I say there’s been a lot, but I’ve dealt with them all.

I’ve not had Covid since and I’m not concerned about getting it again, I never was somehow, right from the off, even though I’m constantly on alert for a decade plus for Coxsackie viruses in particular which can be contracted any time and place, being neurological, depending on your level of immunity at any point, without any resistance being acquired to any particular Coxsackie strain.

So for now, I do what I believe is best for me. I’m naturally very highly disposed to side effects from anything, especially drugs and things known to be potentials that way.

Whatever is what, people do experience side effects to the vaccine. Many are mild, within predicted realms, a good portion are fairly severe in terms of symptoms.

I’ve no need to set myself back by taking that risk personally, to protect me from something I’ve not contracted since that one time.

Coxsackie viruses, they seem to have a free passport with extra holiday vouchers.

So I appreciate where you are coming from. But even if I believed the intentions behind the vaccine were as presented, and there really was no real potential for a great many people to suffer as yet unseen, crippling health effects Longterm for those exact reasons stated above, I would still personally choose to hold off.
 
It looks like if I want to leave the country, I have to get vaccinated (what an awful word). Maybe this requirement will go away like all the people who had or have had this supposed virus did. I have yet to come across anybody who knowingly has had it
 
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