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Social Justice White/Straight/Cis/Male Privilege

Xorkoth said:
jfc. This is a great example of going too far. As was the radio show I mentioned in an earlier post that I listened to, about "eliminating your casual racism in food choices", all about how it's racist for a white person to post a recipe of, say, middle eastern descent. I'm like what the fuck, food is for sharing, if I post a recipe for a great middle eastern dish I'm honoring and celebrating their food! I mean of course if I stole some middle eastern person's recipe and claimed it my own, then yeah, that's not cool. But the idea that we should police people based on race to only be able to use recipes from their own ethnic background is absurd and way over the line of what is acceptable.

The conversation about white privilege is important, and I believe in it, but a number of people are pushing it into ridiculous places that are just plain wrong-headed.
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Similar example that infuriated me recently...

7news.com.au

Woolworths changes fresh chicken product name after ‘cultural appropriation’ accusation

The supermarket giant has bowed to social media pressure and changed the name of its ‘Boomerang Wings’.
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I take this as another example of how there is no idea so benevolent or positive that it can't be turned into something horrible once the extremists get ahold of it.
 
JessFR said:
Similar example that infuriated me recently...

7news.com.au

Woolworths changes fresh chicken product name after ‘cultural appropriation’ accusation

The supermarket giant has bowed to social media pressure and changed the name of its ‘Boomerang Wings’.
7news.com.au 7news.com.au

I take this as another example of how there is no idea so benevolent or positive that it can't be turned into something horrible once the extremists get ahold of it.
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Mr Potatohead was pretty cringey, too. And Dr Seuss. Come on...
 
Xorkoth said:
Mr Potatohead was pretty cringey, too. And Dr Seuss. Come on...
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Fundamentally these usually aren't bad concepts. It's not wrong to want to create a fairer world. But some people just can't help themselves but take it to extreme.

Frankly though I'm skeptical of the whole concept of "cultural appropriation".

Culture is not race. And cultures intermix all the time generally for the benefit of all. Segregation is generally a bad thing yet some people, people who would otherwise oppose segregation, nevertheless seem to believe in and fight for a kind of cultural segregation.
 
Yeah I agree. Cultural appropriation is when you take something from another culture and make it your own or profit from it without giving due. Taking aspects of other cultures into you and imitating them and admiring them is not cultural appropriation, that's just a natural response to something you like or admire.
 
I thought some of the cultural appropriation memes from back in the day were kinda humorous though

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I would love to be black for a spell... I would try to bring the colors together. We would forgive the white man. All blacks would be given 2 million dollars reparation. We might go as far as to burn the history books because it's clear that your color had nothing to do with the brutality and slavery that occurred, it was simply timing. Blacks would have done the same to whites if they had walked in their shoes. Am I wrong?
 
CfZrx said:
I would love to be black for a spell... I would try to bring the colors together. We would forgive the white man. All blacks would be given 2 million dollars reparation. We might go as far as to burn the history books because it's clear that your color had nothing to do with the brutality and slavery that occurred, it was simply timing. Blacks would have done the same to whites if they had walked in their shoes. Am I wrong?
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In other words, reparations will cost us about a hundred trillion dollars.

That's uhh.. That's steep...

Especially since the entirety of the earth is only worth about 360 trillion.
 
JessFR said:
Culture is not race.
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Agreed. Great post. Culture and race are confused so much, it's ridiculous. Race is meaningless. Beyond eye colour and skin colour, there's not much more to it as far as I'm concerned. The Wiggles got in trouble for making a song about Indian food. Surely, you would think, that's a good thing. Apparently not. How dare they embrace another culture's cuisine and sing a song about it for children? Bastards.
 
JessFR said:
In other words, reparations will cost us about a hundred trillion dollars.

That's uhh.. That's steep...

Especially since the entirety of the earth is only worth about 360 trillion.
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I think he might have been being facetious.
 
Xorkoth said:
Of course s0me individual cops are awful racists, but I very much dislike the sentiment that "all cops are bastards". They are not. Most cops want to be serving the public good. One of my oldest friends is a cop and he's amazing, a good cop. And there are so many more good cops. We need to move away from this militarized, shoot first ask questions later mentality in the police, and have a more holistic approach.
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The problem with that notion is that the supposed "good cops" do nothing to stop or punish, and usually actively protect and enable, the bad cops. If, after Derek Chauvin killed George Floyd, any of the other cops present (Or, for that matter, any cop that encountered him afterward.) had, immediately and with no hesitation, pulled his baton, brought it down win the back of Chauvin's skull, pinned him, cuffed him, disarmed him, and arrested him for murder; they would have been "good cops". If, after they invaded Breonna Taylor's home and killed her, any of the cops who did not fire the fatal shot had, immediately and with no hesitation, pulled his baton, brought it down win the back of the skull of the one who did, pinned him, cuffed him, disarmed him, and arrested him for murder; they would been "good cops". If, after Johannes Mehserle killed Oscart Grant, any of the other cops present (Or, again, any cop that encountered him afterward.) had, immediately and with no hesitation, pulled his baton, brought it down win the back of Mehserle's skull, pinned him, cuffed him, disarmed him, and arrested him for murder; they would have been "good cops". But none of that happened, did it?

If Derek Chauvin and Johannes Mehserle and Darren Wilson and Timothy Loehmann and Brian Rice and Daniel Pantaleo and Sean Carroll and Robert Bates and Terrence Mercadal and all their accomplices were, right now, sitting in prison never again to breathe free air or to look upon the sun or sky without bars interposed; then, again, you would have a point. But that's not the case either, is it?

There's a reason the proverb goes: "One bad apple spoils the barrel."
 
Emotionally speaking I see where you are coming from.
Metropolitan city cops in the US seem to operate more like a mafia.
However in the small town I live in I have friends who grew up in police officer families. They are good people, even the cops.
Well my friends have been chased off of social media thanks to this loud group (some of them were friends too) that has been
totally infected with hatred, harassing them for not publicly shaming and disassociating from their own family. I'm sorry, but that seems
so utterly and totally fascist to me.
I myself am anti-bipartisan, but most of my family is republican. I got flack for not villainizing my own family as evil Trump supporters
just because they have conservative political views.
All I can see these days are manufactured divisions.

Apparently it was okay for my friends with cop families to be harassed off of social media.
My own girlfriend was banned from from different social media accounts 3 times a for posting new age energy healing stuff that had
zero connection with any political view and contained absolutely zero misinformation...
They no longer have to do much, they made us all our own worst enemies.

Anyone see the Black Mirror episode where social media stature runs the world? It was this fucked up 1984esque situation where
everyone could judge you at all times and you had to be this fake ass tool just to make it through life without being fucked with so hard
you couldn't live your life. The world has started to come off this way to me.
 
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I'm sorry, i may have soiled my message. To me bi-partisan politics is our system of dividing our choices into 2.
2 controlling sides own each of the arguments and the only way through the political system is to be vested by one of these
power holding private organizations.
So yeah, the idea that I am against putting aside our differences is exactly the opposite of what I meant.
That being said i'm a little high and I just can't think of the single word that describes that form of government.
But yeah I suppose I knew that a bipartisan issue was one that both sides thought was an issue.
 
electronDegenerate said:
I'm sorry, i may have soiled my message. To me bi-partisan politics is our system of dividing our choices into 2.
2 controlling sides own each of the arguments and the only way through the political system is to be vested by one of these
power holding private organizations.
So yeah, the idea that I am against putting aside our differences is exactly the opposite of what I meant.
That being said i'm a little high and I just can't think of the single word that describes that form of government.
But yeah I suppose I knew that a bipartisan issue was one that both sides thought was an issue.
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I guess you might call it “oppositional politics”. In authoritarian states, the opposition is undesirable. In liberal democratic politics, opposition is thought essential (to keep the party in government honest). However, it only works when both sides believe in pluralism and compromise. Unfortunately for America American Republicans seem to have forgotten that a central element of democracy is pluralism.
 
Hmmm, well i'm not actually against opposition either.
I'm against the notion that you are either republican or democrat (or you don't matter).
I don't think there should be 2 gatekeepers to our political system.
This is largely based on the distrust of the private nature of these organizations and the obvious
divisions they have wedged into the population. I don't think oppositional politics needs to have
the populous this worked up. I can't even go on social media without seeing grossly dehumanizing
things being said by normal people about huge groups of other normal people.
I don't trust any of the issues in the media anymore because of the manufactured hatred I have seen
it imbuing the population with. I have seen innocent people demonized over and over again.
It makes me pretty sad.
But I don't have a solution. Who does anyways?
 
electronDegenerate said:
Anyone see the Black Mirror episode where social media stature runs the world? It was this fucked up 1984esque situation where
everyone could judge you at all times and you had to be this fake ass tool just to make it through life without being fucked with so hard
you couldn't live your life. The world has started to come off this way to me.
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Yeah the episode was called "Nosedive" IIRC. That was actually one of the more lighthearted, humorous Black Mirror episodes IMO
 
Xorkoth said:
Yeah I agree. Cultural appropriation is when you take something from another culture and make it your own or profit from it without giving due. Taking aspects of other cultures into you and imitating them and admiring them is not cultural appropriation, that's just a natural response to something you like or admire.
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Here's a perfect example of that. Your typical white American liberal would consider cultural misappropriation but if read all the comments you'd see that the Mexican people don't feel that way at all. From what I noticed the Latino community doesn't really buy into that cultural misappropriation bs and feel honored and flattered when other cultures get enjoyment out of theirs.




 
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