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US Politics The 2021 Former President Trump Thread - I look very much forward to showing my financials, because they are huge.

Anybody else starting to feel an impending sense of doom and world destruction based on increasingly concerning events in the US, China, Russia and other places?

I'm not sure if this is due to increasingly intense media coverage and social media exposing corruption which has always been there.... Or if the world is actually getting more fucked up.

I feel in my gut the next world war will occur in the next 20 years.... And it genuinely scares me.
 
^Yeah, I don't know.

I think it's media / social media. There are definitely more problems affecting the cushy Western world now, but they are blown up by fear mongering. Climate change is constantly rammed down our throats. People wearing sandwich boards declaring the end is nigh are everywhere now, because of modern technology. Then there's the Trump era of US politics which was preyed upon by opportunistic media scum in order to profit from dividing the population. Add to that COVID-19 and you have a perfect storm.

Shit has really been overblown, relative to worldwide problems. Many countries in the world have had much worse things to deal with than DJ Trump over the past century. The only difference is this is in our back yard. People in the Western world have had it so easy for so long, we've all become snowflakes.

COVID isn't the end of the world. Trump isn't the end of the world. Climate change isn't going to start a war. Almost every decade since WW2 people have been saying another world war is right around the corner.

Maybe it will happen, but I doubt it. Who are the major players? China & Russia. Maybe North Korea. The US isn't going to start a world war.

China has done superbly over the past 50 years. They're performing economic miracles. A world war would totally fuck the trade deals they rely on to support their economy. Countries are more dependent on one another now than they were 100 years ago. There is more to lose.

As for Russia, Putin isn't an idiot. People tend to see him as a ruthless dictator that is a stain on his country, but he's pretty popular and he's popular for a reason. He's not ethical, for sure. He doesn't play by the rules. He's dishonest. But, he's done a lot of good for Russia. I don't believe he's crazy or unstable enough to try and take on the US.

China and Russia are playing a slow tactical game.

I don't think North Korea is capable of starting a world war. Kim is totally batshit crazy, but it's a small country. One bomb could take them out. Nobody has forgotten about Hiroshima. Kim is crazy, but he's not an idiot.
 
SnafuInTheVoid said:
Anybody else starting to feel an impending sense of doom and world destruction based on increasingly concerning events in the US, China, Russia and other places?

I'm not sure if this is due to increasingly intense media coverage and social media exposing corruption which has always been there.... Or if the world is actually getting more fucked up.

I feel in my gut the next world war will occur in the next 20 years.... And it genuinely scares me.
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Funny you should mention this. I've been wondering about this myself for the last couple of months. I thought it was just me and that it was just this last year that's gone by i.e. been watching a lot more news and whatever. But after careful thought especially over these last few months: it's not. I've had just as much time on my hands before and watched just as much shit (particularly for most of 2019) in the media and I can tell you that something has changed. It feels like there's "waves" of something or the other going around the planet. And I cannot say it does much for my psyche or my personality. And I tell you: it's becoming increasingly difficult to not buy into conspiracy theories or deep state arguments or even argue with the religious fraternity for that matter.

Only saving grace is that if you look back in history: there's always been shit going on and it also seems to have come in waves. Has it been on this scale though? I don't think so. Only argument against this is possibly the fact that because ten, twenty, thirty years ago we didn't have the same access to information as we do now and it was never as pervasive or immediate.

And as contentious as I know that this issue is: the pattern that's starting to emerge for me is that the countries that are ruled with iron fists are the ones where there is little to no shit (and if there is shit it's dealt with on no uncertain terms). And one common element? Control of the media (all of it). Or at very least: having severe penalties in place for reporting absolute shit or allowing absolute shit to be put out there on the likes of Twitter and FB and the other usual suspects. YouTube as a prime example. You don't even have to actually watch uploads i.e. just scrolling through the titles is enough to make you nervous (if not depressed) (or both).

All I am sure of though is this: I see there's a lot of political posturing going on. And people (politicians) should be thinking real nice before trying the rattle the cages of Russia and China for political expediency and in order to appease the left/liberal/globalist "anything goes and everything is acceptable" views. Or pointing fingers, sticking their noses in where they don't belong, and making idle threats. And which reminds me: I'm a few posts behind on my own political thread (as some may know: I promised to keep my nose out of America's business after the Capitol building saga and I've done that) (and I don't consider this post as my once again getting involved).
 
People always have something to lose, and war rarely makes sense at first glance...just look at World War 2. Did Germany benefit from getting reduced to rubble and ultimately partitioned into 2 states? No, of course not, but it still happened. Errors in judgement happen, miscalculations happen...lets take a more recent war, the Vietnam War. It was based pretty much 100% on total bullshit and a profound misreading of the political situation in southeast Asia, people like Robert MacNamara have admitted that much...yet it drug on and on and resulted in the deaths of millions.

I don't necessarily believe that the next world war is "right around the corner", nor do I discount the element of media hysteria...hell, it's probably mostly that, and there's been a noticeable shift lately away from Russia fear-mongering and towards China fear-mongering...China's ambitions as an "expansionist power" are routinely hyped up by propagandists here in the USA...but at the same time the idea of "they have something to lose from it just like we do", while correct on the face of it, doesn't really do it for me as far as reassurance goes. We're the exact same people we were in the early 20th century...a century is just the blink of an eye really, as far as how long we've been around, with all the same kinds of prejudices, flaws, rivalries, political systems etc. only now we also have thermonuclear weapons. As people like Einstein and Oppenheimer pointed out when the first atomic bomb was created, a technological leap like that which isn't accompanied by a corresponding biological leap in human consciousness probably bodes ill for us over a long enough time frame...but maybe (I hope!) I'm wrong...we've certainly had some close calls in the past
 
SnafuInTheVoid said:
Anybody else starting to feel an impending sense of doom and world destruction based on increasingly concerning events in the US, China, Russia and other places?

I'm not sure if this is due to increasingly intense media coverage and social media exposing corruption which has always been there.... Or if the world is actually getting more fucked up.

I feel in my gut the next world war will occur in the next 20 years.... And it genuinely scares me.
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I feel it too, but you gotta remember that you truly can't predict the future.

Entire generations lived under the fear that a third world War in the nuclear age was not just likely but inevitable. The idea that conflict between America and the soviets would eventually end, with not a shot fired, would have quite rightly seemed like an absurd dream that would never happen. And they weren't wrong to think that. At the time everything they thought they knew said the ussr and us would almost certainly both exist until either one destroyed the other, or more likely they destroyed each other.

But we never know as much as we think we know, there are always unknown unknowns, and without knowing everything we can't predict everything.

Nevertheless, I think there's plenty of reason for concern.
 
So it's over and y'all can move on from Trump. Let him flip real estate and make money again. If you wish he doesn't make money, then that's fine too. I think the trump followers are a small sector and then there's the party attitude to vote for the best squirrel you can get on your ticket. The numbers for each candidate are inflated because of a party vote rather than actually liking the guys and gals.
 
This, below, is GOLD! If for no other reason than for once: the media got OWNED!

Note: this not meant to be any political contribution at all. I'm a man of my word. But good on this chap for OWNING the talking heads that have caused so much shit!

Not sure I agree with him re: PBS. But at least goes to show he's not biased and trying to convey a decent message.

 
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birdup.snaildown said:
Amazing interview.
Pure gold as you say.

Apparently lawyers are traitors if they win cases now?

I still don't understand why you're staying out of American politics.
I'm all alone here, @dalpat077.
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Nah nah. You're not on your own. TLB has been doing his best to keep the Republican Party flag flying on his own. :ROFLMAO:

There's nothing I could add here that wouldn't end up being annoying, hurtful, and just fanning the flames. And for what good reason?

Contrary to popular belief: I don't willingly and knowingly go out of my way to alienate people here or post for the sake of it. Trump is out, the Republicans are out, and the people that I really don't like are in. There's nothing I can do about that except maybe sit here and throw stones and cause ructions and I don't see the point.

Matter of fact: my first visit back here today in a while, with my post to which you're referring, only to then find that the guy's house has been vandalized and he's now a traitor for doing his job well. And comes from Philadelphia no less and guess what's been done and being done to the police in Philadelphia. One thing will lead to another, it'll eventually end up in something racial or xenophobic, and I'll be getting the BLUA and riot act sent to me via PM again. And the worst part is that I cannot in good conscious sit here and throw stones and lay into the left and liberals in America when the very same people that I was rabidly defending last year went and trashed the Capitol building did no better than the other crowd. Possibly even worse.
 
birdup.snaildown said:
Amazing interview.
Pure gold as you say.

Apparently lawyers are traitors if they win cases now?

I still don't understand why you're staying out of American politics.
I'm all alone here, @dalpat077.
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There are fanatics on every side alas.
For what it's worth I completely agree that being a lawyer representing trump is in no way betraying anyone.

Quite the reverse, in America you have a right to a defense, everyone should have a defense... And if there's someone so despicable (trump) that noone else wants to work with them, is that not serving your country if you take up the slack? They gotta have some representation right?

Not that this is even really a trial in the traditional sense. But there's a principle at stake. Can't have people calling defense lawyers traitors simply for representing traitors. It's unamerican. ;)
 
Mitch McConnell: "Donald Trump used a steady stream of conspiracy theories and lies to systematically steal the election, and failing that, destroy our electoral system on the way out". What the fuck do you have to do to be removed, anyway? If senate Republicans admit that that's what happened, and don't hold him accountable for it, then... well, you do the math.

Not only did they not vote to remove, but they're censuring the few Republicans who had the balls and principles to vote against him. Which is, in itself, one of the most un-democratic shit I've heard about for a while.

I wonder how many more Republicans would have voted for removal if the vote had been able to be cast anonymously, instead of in front of their colleagues and the American voters? The Republican reaction to their breaking ranks is exactly the reason why people didn't want to vote against Trump, I have to believe, for some anyway.
 
alasdairm said:
^ such craven b.s.

"he's responsible but we won't hold him responsible"

alasdair
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Xorkoth said:
Mitch McConnell: "Donald Trump used a steady stream of conspiracy theories and lies to systematically steal the election, and failing that, destroy our electoral system on the way out". What the fuck do you have to do to be removed, anyway? If senate Republicans admit that that's what happened, and don't hold him accountable for it, then... well, you do the math.
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Fully agree with both. I think Mitch is trying to cover himself in the cancel culture world where he isn't one of the big dogs anymore. If he believes Trump is at fault, he should have voted that way. The only reason I can see him voting to not impeach but immediately afterward saying Trump is at fault, is that Mitch is playing political games to save his own ass. Either Trump is guilty or not in your mind. Be consistent and act/speak with a conscience.
 
Saying you'll pay the legal fees of anyone who beats up trump protestors isn't inciting violence?

Trump may not have incited violence on the day, but seeing that day in isolation is entirely misleading. He had been creating an environment that would inevitably bring about this result for years.
 
JessFR said:
Trump may not have incited violence on the day
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Clearly he didn't.



Obama said the word fight. Impeach him!

JessFR said:
Saying you'll pay the legal fees of anyone who beats up trump protestors isn't inciting violence?
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If soon after he said that, people attacked protestors then he might be guilty of inciting violence against protestors... but that's not what we're talking about.
 
Clearly he didn't? Why because they didn't convict? That doesn't mean anything. Other than showing how corrupt Republicans are.

I'm not arguing this further, I'm still pissed at your blind dismissal of trump asking them to find votes. You've made it clear your position is entirely resistant to evidence of any kind.

Trump could stab you in the back and you'd probably argue the knife wasn't a knife.
 
Might I suggest that in a democracy the right of removal may be exercised through an election.

I'm no fan of the man who managed to somehow bankrupt a fucking casino (give me half the chance to own one, please) but at some point everyone needs to move on. The fixation isn't healthy and makes living next to you folk harder than usual.
 
JessFR said:
I'm still pissed at your blind dismissal of trump asking them to find votes.
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Still don't think you bothered to read the transcript.

JessFR said:
Clearly he didn't? Why because they didn't convict?
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No. Even if they did convict him I would say clearly he didn't. Because, he clearly didn't. He literally called for peaceful protest on the day and they planted pipe bombs the day before. I don't give a fuck what an impeachment trial concludes. It's all a sham.

Perhaps the election fraud stuff resulted in people storming the capitol, but - if he believed there was election fraud - that's not incitement.

JessFR said:
Trump could stab you in the back and you'd probably argue the knife wasn't a knife.
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