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Jan 6 Attack on the Capitol and the aftermath

The scorn that society has heaped on these people has contributed a lot to the damage done, and it plays right into the hands of those who have spread the propaganda.
 
OpiateKiller said:
Indictments drop tomorrow and tuesday don’t worry.

Haven’t you heard bad boys move in silence? Never show the enemy your hand till the chips are on the table 😉
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He's had 4 years. He hasn't built the wall, locked Hillary up, revealed Qanon deep state pedo secrets, fixed the economy, created jobs, fixed healthcare, gotten rid of corrupt politicians, gotten USA out of the middle east...

Want me to continue the list of things he's promised and not done? He had 4 years and he's going to do the entire list in a few days? Seems legit. Definitely not a delusional cult. $4.2 TRILLION loss in one single year. Not even going to mention the other 3. That's about $11 billion per day, or $479 million per hour. Think about that. That is how much money Trump is losing us, our country, our money. Our country has probably lost $10 million since you started reading this, and chances are someone died from covid. 1730 people died from Covid in the USA yesterday. There have been days this week where over 4000 people died in a day. What possible reason would he have to wait until everything is absolutely destroyed to implement his plans?
 
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To be fair, the pandemic wasn't Trump's fault, we were going to have to throw money at that regardless. But I agree with you, Trump certainly hasn't curbed government spending or spent money wisely. I just wanted to be fair and point out that in a non-pandemic environment, it wouldn't have ben as bad. And any president would be looking at an inordinately large deficit spending hike under a pandemic.

Your point still entirely stands though. It's pretty delusional to believe that he's waited until the final couple of days of his presidency to suddenly accomplish all of his goals. It doesn't even make sense as a theory.
 
Xorkoth said:
To be fair, the pandemic wasn't Trump's fault, we were going to have to throw money at that regardless. But I agree with you, Trump certainly hasn't curbed government spending or spent money wisely. I just wanted to be fair and point out that in a non-pandemic environment, it wouldn't have ben as bad. And any president would be looking at an inordinately large deficit spending hike under a pandemic.

Your point still entirely stands though. It's pretty delusional to believe that he's waited until the final couple of days of his presidency to suddenly accomplish all of his goals. It doesn't even make sense as a theory.
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I agree it's not 100% his fault, but how bad it got is, and his followers brazen flaunting of breaking laws, or claiming wearing a mask is oppressive.

Compare USA to india. They almost have 4x as many people, way, way more densely packed. They have a serious lack of medical care, many of them dont even have running water or aspirin. They have less than 150k deaths. USA is about to break 400k. That's not a coincidence. Trump played the "it's not a big deal; ignore it and itll go away" card heavily, for months. Not to mention no federal rule on wearing masks or other preventative measures. The numbers speak for themselves. Absolutely embarrassing. Worse rates than a developing country. Not even slightly worse, exponentially worse, especially when you consider their lack of resources and ability to social distance.

As far as national debt, I didnt mean to imply that was a direct result of covid. I think that is a direct result of a much wider variety of themes: mostly his financial incompetence, but also his ego, ignorance, and desire to make himself rich at the cost of every other human in the world. Dude has more pissed off creditors, and more ripped off business partners in his past than anyone ever known to american politics. He cant even handle a private business, with hundreds of millions he borrowed or sued out of his own dad, and people expected him to oversee an entire country. Fucking embarrassing.
 
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I reopened and renamed this thread as the investigations and events surrounding the Capitol attack are ongoing.
A second police officer who responded to the attack has taken his life.
www.politico.com

Second police officer died by suicide following Capitol attack

“We honor the service and sacrifices of Officers Brian Sicknick, Howard Liebengood, and Jeffery Smith," said the acting D.C. police chief.
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It would be amusing to watch the Republicans flail around banging on about “unity” and their eternal status as victims if the attack on the Capitol, the related deaths, and the attempt of an armed mob to subvert democracy weren’t at the root of this mess.
The backlash against the House Republicans who voted for impeachment and the stalwart defenders of Trump in the Senate are racing towards an inevitable clash between the historical values of the party and the political calculation of supporting Trump.
Liz Cheney, #3 Republican in the House of Representatives, voted for impeachment and is facing the repercussions of that vote right now. But will she be lauded in the future for having foresight or shunned for the crime of choosing what might end up being the losing side?
There’s a really good article in Politico about her positioning and where she might end up in history. Worth a read.

www.politico.com

Trump Loyalists Want To Punish Liz Cheney. So?

She’s making a big bet that what’s unpopular in her party today will make her more formidable in the future.
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She wants to do away with the Trumpian lunatic fringe, so we can all go back to the more respectable "bombs away" lunatic fringe of the Dubya era

Still, it shows more backbone than most of the sycophants and courtiers in the GOP currently
 
I would love for the Republicans to be like they were in the Bush Jr era if it were either that or trumpian "Republicans".

Id prefer neither, but at least the Bush era Republicans acted like adults rather than spoilt narcissistic babies.
 
alasdairm said:
as i understand it, in the second case, "i was only following trump's orders" will be a factor in the criminal defense.
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It’s looking like no one and everyone was responsible for the Capitol siege. Trump was “just there” being a leader but somehow not leading anyone anywhere, with followers who were following him but not following him, and ultimately aren’t responsible for their own actions because they thought Trump was inviting them to the Capitol. 8(
 
alasdairm said:
two related stories...
as i understand it, in the second case, "i was only following trump's orders" will be a factor in the criminal defense.

alasdair
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Once again we see just how disloyal these people are, turning on each other the moment things get tough. And they expect to fight a civil war?
 
JessFR said:
Once again we see just how disloyal these people are, turning on each other the moment things get tough. And they expect to fight a civil war?
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Because people aren't actually fighting for anything anymore. It's two sides of the same coin disguised as being completely seperate. Plus you have the government who have for generations used their own intelligence and military apparatus against their own citizens to weave social unrest and cause divides among the population and so the foundations are already set for theater like what happened on January 6th. It was clearly more than just a bunch of Trump supporters demanding their elected and then currently sitting president have a right to be treated fairly and heard. You look at the surroundings in certain parts of Washington now and they have troops OUTSIDE the barriers "protecting" government buildings from so-called domestic terrorism threats. None that have actually ever been verified as being true. It seems all too convenient that a controversial event like what happened on Jan 6th culminated in now what Biden anticipates as the war on domestic terrorism, this after the fact he was the biggest proponent in the actual war on terrorism that saw everyone allied with the US destroy parts of the Middle East for terrorists, I mean regime change and instilling of puppet governments sympathetic to Western rule while pillaging resources like oil. Now the new administration has effectively gone to war on it's own people and turned the average Joe into a potential terror suspect. All the while the sting from COVID-19 lockdowns and cessation of civil liberties and freedoms leave a bitter taste in people's mouths. Itself arguably an ideological war against the general population.

It's all a little bit too convenient. And the people are supposed to fight a civil war? Ha! They've been mindf*cked for so long, the last time people ever had a semblence of solidarity and mutual goals was no doubt in the sixties when the anti-war movement reached it's most critical point. Before that and you're probably talking about the civil war after the revolution.
 
There was a time when I might agree with left and right being two sides of the same coin, especially the far left and far right.

But that was before the cancer of trumpism and conspiracy theories infected the republican party and the American right. Now I see a very noticeable difference, and see it less as left vs right but left and right vs trumpism.

The more sensible members of the right, the traditional right so to speak, need to realize this is destroying their party and they need to fight it.

Because the trumpist conspiracy theorists are not like the Republicans of old. They are most like a fanatical cult that has emerged from the more extreme side of the American right and infected the rest of the right wing political alignment.
 
finitelifeform said:
a semblence of solidarity and mutual goals was no doubt in the sixties when the anti-war movement reached it's most critical point
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This is interesting because I’ve heard historians say this was one of the most divisive times in American history. I don’t think of it as a time of great unity, which is not necessarily a bad thing as long as one has a clear moral purpose, whatever that is.
 
cduggles said:
It would be amusing to watch the Republicans flail around banging on about “unity” and their eternal status as victims if the attack on the Capitol, the related deaths, and the attempt of an armed mob to subvert democracy weren’t at the root of this mess.
The backlash against the House Republicans who voted for impeachment and the stalwart defenders of Trump in the Senate are racing towards an inevitable clash between the historical values of the party and the political calculation of supporting Trump.
Liz Cheney, #3 Republican in the House of Representatives, voted for impeachment and is facing the repercussions of that vote right now. But will she be lauded in the future for having foresight or shunned for the crime of choosing what might end up being the losing side?
There’s a really good article in Politico about her positioning and where she might end up in history. Worth a read.

www.politico.com

Trump Loyalists Want To Punish Liz Cheney. So?

She’s making a big bet that what’s unpopular in her party today will make her more formidable in the future.
www.politico.com www.politico.com
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Liz Cheney will keep her post as #3 in the House.
House Republicans also announced they aren’t going to strip Representative MTG (Greene) of her Committee posts.
 
cduggles said:
Liz Cheney will keep her post as #3 in the House.
House Republicans also announced they aren’t going to strip Representative MTG (Greene) of her Committee posts.
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But Democrats can force a vote on it right?
 
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