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^ I didn’t realize he raised almost $45 million! Good for him.
Looks like he died of COVID though. What a shame.
Yip. As I said: hats off to him. And yes: damn shame the irony of it isn't it.

Only heard about it last night on the BBC (radio). But at least he was accorded due respect. Not sure if it's mentioned in the article that I posted but he was given an RAF flyby on his 100th birthday last year, made an honorary Colonel, and knighted by The Queen (obviously). I'm sure that all meant so much to him.

Sadly too: there's very very few WWII veterans left with us. But I see there's been a push to capture their stories over the last few years. Which is a good thing obviously and also a noble endeavor.

Not to detract in any way from the above but on a lighter note:

For that kind of money I'd walk more than a few times around the earth even it it took years and years! It goes without saying I suppose that my motive would not be quite as noble though!

Anyway. Good on him. Respect Sir.
 
I thought this worthy of a mention given the context of this thread.

Capt. Sir Tom Moore, the old dude that walked his garden in order to raise £1 000 for the NHS, died yesterday.

Hats off to him and to a life well lived.


The evidence so far suggests Capt Tom was infected by coronavius by Bedford hospital (nosocomial infection) the irony of fantastic NHS infecting their cheerleader with covid is truly ironic and very sad.

Nosocomial infection with coronavirus is the elephant in the room no one wants to talk about, most insiders know this is a huge issue, People in hospital are by definition not the healthiest so corona infection can tip them over the edge.
 
The evidence so far suggests Capt Tom was infected by coronavius by Bedford hospital (nosocomial infection) the irony of fantastic NHS infecting their cheerleader with covid is truly ironic and very sad.

Nosocomial infection with coronavirus is the elephant in the room no one wants to talk about, most insiders know this is a huge issue, People in hospital are by definition not the healthiest so corona infection can tip them over the edge.
I believe (or read yesterday anyway) that he was being treated for pneumonia. I'd never heard of such a thing as "nosocomial infections" until your post so did a quick search. Very interesting. I don't consider myself as someone out of touch though so you're right i.e. no one is talking about this. In just looking at the information: I wonder if this has got anything to do with the way in which the UK determines a COVID related death i.e. 28 days after the first positive test (or just a coincidence maybe?).

 
Great resource article that won’t paste in full for some reason:
How The COVID-19 Vaccines Compare To Each Other
Experts break down the Moderna, Pfizer, Novavax, Johnson & Johnson and AstraZeneca coronavirus shots, including efficacy, storage needs and more.
 
What is the difference between a strain and a variant, you ask?

Coronavirus confusion: What’s the difference between a variant and a strain?​


As if one coronavirus wasn’t enough to worry about, it now seems there are versions of it popping up all over the world.

There’s one from the United Kingdom, which looks to be about 56% more transmissiblethan its predecessors and is taking the U.S. by storm.

There’s one from South Africa, which is proving to be adept at evading our brand-new COVID-19 vaccines.

Yet another from Brazil may have an uncanny ability to reinfect people who have already survived a bout of COVID-19.


And then there’s the homegrown coronavirus that appears to be spreading faster in California than any of its competitors and may have played a key role in the state’s deadly holiday surge.

Researchers are racing to learn more about these and other incarnations of SARS-CoV-2: Are they more contagious? More deadly? More impervious to treatment?

Meanwhile, the rest of us are trying to get our heads around a more fundamental question: Are they variants or strains?

It seems like there ought to be an easy answer. Yet like with so many aspects of the pandemic, there isn’t.

Before we proceed, let’s pause for a brief review of basic genetics:

Humans share a common genome that varies from person to person. These differences account for our variation in height, hair color and other traits — what scientists call a phenotype.

Similarly, SARS-CoV-2 coronaviruses share a genome that looks a little different from specimen to specimen.

Each time a virus makes copies of itself, one or more of the letters in the genome can be written incorrectly. Coronaviruses are pretty good at proofreading, but mistakes still get through. This is how genetic mutationsarise, and it’s all perfectly normal.

If a mutation makes it more difficult for the virus to replicate — for instance, if it results in a physical change that hampers its ability to get inside a host cell — that virus will die out and take the mutation along with it. On the other hand, if a mutation gives the virus a competitive advantage, it will spread more quickly than its rivals.

There are also cases where a virus with a particular mutation just happens to take off because it’s in the right place at the right time to get in on the ground floor of an outbreak. Geneticists call this a “founder effect.”

When a mutation changes a virus’ genome, it becomes a new variant. Beyond that, things get tricky.

Confusion over the terms “variant” and “strain” predate this coronavirus. It seems virologists never got around to defining their terms.

Here’s how a group of scientists explained the predicament in a 2013 article in the journal Archives of Virology, in which they spelled out what to call members of the Filoviridae family, which includes the Ebola and Marburg viruses:

“It is unclear how to distinguish their individual subclasses (strains, genetic variants, genotypes, mutants, etc.), mainly because of a lack of definitions for these terms and the absence of generally applicable guidelines for assigning viruses to them.”

A pair of scientists stepped into the breach last month with a workable definition for the COVID-19 era.

The distinction between a variant and a strain hinges on whether the virus in question behaves in a distinct way, according to Dr. Adam Lauring, who studies the evolution of RNA viruses at the University of Michigan, and Emma Hodcroft, an expert on viral phylogenetics at the University of Bern in Switzerland.

“Genomes that differ in sequence are often called variants,” Lauring and Hodcroft explained in the Journal of the American Medical Assn. “Strictly speaking, a variant is a strain when it has a demonstrably different phenotype.”

In other words, a particular coronavirus specimen may contain one or more mutations that another specimen lacks. If there is no detectable functional difference, it is merely a variant.

However, if those mutations make the specimen more transmissible than its predecessors, or endow it with an added ability to evade a drug or vaccine, or alters it in another meaningful way, then it qualifies as a distinct strain.

The two terms have been thrown around interchangeably, especially by those who have become armchair virologists over the course of the pandemic. But they are not synonymous.

“The distinctions are important,” Lauring and Hodcroft wrote.

Another definition for strain comes from Nancy R. Gough, a scientist and editor who explains the biological world on her website, Bioserendipity. In her telling, a viral variant that becomes dominant in its population earns the right to be called a strain.

It doesn’t matter whether that dominance was achieved through superior genetics or by happenstance, she adds.

By these measures, the virus from South Africa qualifies as a strain because its response — or lack thereof — to COVID-19 vaccines sets it apart from other versions of SARS-CoV-2. Its behavior is so singular that vaccine researchers are designing booster shots to target it.

The coronavirus from the U.K. counts as a strain as well because it spreads more readily than other variants. Indeed, researchers at the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention have forecast that the U.K. virus is spreading so fast that it’s on track to become America’s “predominant variant in March.”

If that happens, it will be a strain twice over.

 
I listened to an interesting piece on NPR yesterday, they were talking about the efficacy of vaccines and what that means. The J&J vaccine has been catching flak for being only like 66% effective in preventing disease, but that number is actually pretty misleading, because it has been, so far, 100% effective at preventing death. Even when a vaccine fails to prevent you getting any symptoms, they still work flawlessly at preventing serious disease, instead ensuring you just have a mild case that you can recover from quickly without complications. The J&J vaccine has some distinct advantages too... it's cheaper, it's only a single shot one time, and it doesn't require cold storage, instead it can simply be refrigerated.
 
I listened to an interesting piece on NPR yesterday, they were talking about the efficacy of vaccines and what that means. The J&J vaccine has been catching flak for being only like 66% effective in preventing disease, but that number is actually pretty misleading, because it has been, so far, 100% effective at preventing death. Even when a vaccine fails to prevent you getting any symptoms, they still work flawlessly at preventing serious disease, instead ensuring you just have a mild case that you can recover from quickly without complications. The J&J vaccine has some distinct advantages too... it's cheaper, it's only a single shot one time, and it doesn't require cold storage, instead it can simply be refrigerated.

The published vaccine efficacy numbers are not comparable between vaccines, each trial had different endpoints different protocols different definitions of symptomatic disease etc. They are not comparisons of apples against apples.

the J&J vaccine probably has similar efficacy to AZ which is probably worse than Pfizer and Moderna. Actually pfizer 90% efficacy blah blah blah currently has the worst read out for serious disease but that is just luck and small n.

The numbers of people in the trials are just too small to read out some of this with any certainty. Death from covid in the trial cohort was actually expected to be rare and unlikely even in the placebo arm. Not sure about this, but I think there has been 1 death assigned to dead with coronavirus in the placebo arm in Moderna and one death with uncertain cause possibly covid in the AZ trials. People have died in the trials but not from covid.

Moderna score by early December was 13 deaths, 6 in the vaccine and 7 in the placebo all run of the mill: suicide, blunt head trauma, MI, cancer, a couple of unknowns just ordinary random terminal shit which seems about right 30k people, 4-6 months 0.04% so 0.1% near as damn it per year. if they had a older less healthy more representative trial population then it would be about 1.2%. On the plus side published data suggests Moderna succesfully brought people back from the grave, changing participant status from dead to serious adverse event in their trial, which is impressive. Yeah overall just being alive looks dangerous! maybe we need a vaccine for that.

On that basis many of these vaccines are either 100% effective or 0% effective or -100% (or even -∞) effective or anywhere in between at preventing death from covid, but there is no data.

There has been evidence of what might be called deliberate spinning of the trial data, anyone who can read a trial and knows the math can see some serious oddities and inconsistencies. The underlying data was not released for scrutiny. For example BioNtech Pfizer carefully played their initial read, leaking it as a carefully timed press release to show higher efficiency. if they released when they were supposed to according to the agreed protocol then the number would be in the mid 70's low 80s. Oxford AstraZeneca completely screwed up their trial and have spent the last 3 months playing at post hoc data mining to get upbeat numbers from a series of trials that are not very solid it doesn't matter how many times you slice and dice the data a cruddy trial gives crappy data.

What will be the proper tell is the rate of deaths and disease going forwards from the roll out, the numbers are going to be larger but the reporting is going to be inaccurate for a while and that requires waiting.
 
Okay, I know how weird this sounds. However, I think Bill Gates definitely had something to do with the creation and release of this disease. It honestly is bizarre, and I know it sounds like how the hell could that be? I knew nothing about him, but recently I found some shocking and fucked up videos of him talking about the coronavirus situation. In one, he even talks about the "next pandemic"?!?!?!? It's very clear that he is lying and hiding something. His body language just absolutely reeks of him being up to serious no good, like he was behind this somehow and plotting the next plague. I honestly couldn't even stomach watching the whole thing.

Then, there is another sickening video where he is SMILING WHILE TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE DYING OF COVID-19!!!!! There's another video where he is praising the way China handled the pandemic. He speaks of the draconian, ineffective Wuhan lockdown as though they handled the situation properly. My thoughts on WTF is going on with this guy is that he developed a computer simulation to predict how disease spreads, which he admits. Most likely, he offered this program to the CCP in exchange for them cutting him in on the investments they profited off of by creating, releasing, and deliberately facilitating the spread of this plague. I had no idea how evil Bill Gates was until I saw these videos.
 
youtube videos are never wrong.....

people have been talking about the next pandemic for decades. the only surprising thing about this is that its a coronavirus and not inf. a.
What's even more shocking is that in OCTOBER 2019, Bill Gates hosted something called "event 201", which was a simulation of a coronavirus pandemic!!!! Only a month before all this started!
 
can we have a legit study on pzifer to see if it works on south african strain instead of them paying some lobbyist university who tested it on 5 people to say it works
 
now what evidence do you have for that that isn't a youtube video? event 201 was a collaboration with johns hopkins and did not predict COVID19.

Who cares? It's not like predicting a future pandemic, or even a future Coronavirus pandemic is a hard guess to make. A future pandemic was inevitable.

A lot of people correctly predicted that a pandemic was coming.. Because... We knew a pandemic was coming..

Also if you don't let conspiracy theorists use youtube videos as evidence that's really tying their hands. :D
 
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victoria back into lockdown how many times will the people in charge fail australia. They should be firing everybody and the premier of victoria in jail.

Jail? No. But Dan Andrew's should definitely be removed from office. Victoria has 20 cases total out of a total 6.4 million people and the entire state is in stage 4 lockdown? I have family in Melbourne. They are hardly allowed to leave the house. Can't go further than 5km in Vic unless you have a "travel permit".

What the fuck?
For 20 cases?

In other news, I'm getting vaccinated sometime in the next two weeks. I was a bit apprehensive for a while. Now I'm looking forward to the jab. Bring it on.

Hopefully by mid-year, Australia and NZ can go back to normal.
 
You can sit still for a few days or spend the next six months wishing that you had have just sat still for a few days.

To say "only 20 cases" like it's not going to spread, hurt people, overwhelm every hospital in the country and cause an immeasurable disruption to life for a long time if left unchecked, makes about as much sense as banging your head into a brick wall before complaining about having a headache.. then doing it again.
 
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