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Election 2020 The Final Countdown v. Nov. 3rd

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birdup.snaildown said:
First you said it was impossible because of republican legislative control in individual states. I pointed out that the states with the worst death rates are all democratic. Then we moved on to it being constitutionally impossible to perform whatever sort of lock-down is necessary to contain the virus. Either way, it can't really be mostly Trump's fault.
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I think you misunderstand me and are (unintentionally) taking me out of context.

There were states that had lockdown and safer at home orders that were implemented by Democratic governors that were challenged, successfully, by Republican controlled state legislature.

The comment about me not believing it would be constitutional was solely in regards to your comment about a hard lockdown. What I was referencing was far less of, what I would consider, a “hard lockdown” that you mentioned, but as I said, I’m not sure what specifically a hard lockdown entails.

I’m by no means saying 100% of the blame lies with Trump, but it’s hard to argue his response wasn’t a significant contributing component.
 
JGrimez said:
Can't believe there are so many election fraud deniers.
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When I first read about what they found during the Georgia recount, I thought, "Wow. There actually was fraud." But, clearly I was wrong. I think I wanted to believe it, because I lean right and I wanted Trump to win the election.

At first it seemed like the Georgia recount was only adding votes to Trump, but I was seeing what I wanted to see.

The uncounted votes were from three counties. There were 162,672 pre-existing votes counted in these three counties and 104,917 of them were for Trump. So he had a bit over 64% of the votes that were already counted.

Out of 159 counties, there were only significant issues in 3 counties (excluding what almost happened in DeKalb).

They found 2,755 uncounted votes in Fayette county. 1,577 of these were for Trump. That's 57.2% of the uncounted votes. Across the entire county, Trump received 52.7% of the vote.

In Walton county, they found 284 uncounted votes. 224 of these votes were for Trump. That's 79.2% of the uncounted votes. Across the entire county, Trump received 74.1% of the vote.

Finally, Floyd County. They found 2600 uncounted votes. 1,643 of these votes were for Trump. That's 63% of the uncounted votes. Across the entire county, Trump received 69.9% of the vote.

The numbers are consistent.

There was a total of 5,639 new votes in these counties. 3,444 of these votes were for Trump. That's 61% for Trump across all three counties which (again) is consistent with the tri-county percentage. But - even if he won 100% of them - he'd still be down over 7,000 votes.

He lost. Wake up.
 
birdup.snaildown said:
When I first read about what they found during the Georgia recount, I thought, "Wow. There actually was fraud." But, clearly I was wrong. I think I wanted to believe it, because I lean right and I wanted Trump to win the election.

At first it seemed like the Georgia recount was only adding votes to Trump, but I was seeing what I wanted to see.

The uncounted votes were from three counties. There were 162,672 pre-existing votes counted in these three counties and 104,917 of them were for Trump. So he had a bit over 64% of the votes that were already counted.

Out of 159 counties, there were only significant issues in 3 counties (excluding what almost happened in DeKalb).

They found 2,755 uncounted votes in Fayette county. 1,577 of these were for Trump. That's 57.2% of the uncounted votes. Across the entire county, Trump received 52.7% of the vote.

In Walton county, they found 284 uncounted votes. 224 of these votes were for Trump. That's 79.2% of the uncounted votes. Across the entire county, Trump received 74.1% of the vote.

Finally, Floyd County. They found 2600 uncounted votes. 1,643 of these votes were for Trump. That's 63% of the uncounted votes. Across the entire county, Trump received 69.9% of the vote.

The numbers are consistent.

There was a total of 5,639 new votes in these counties. 3,444 of these votes were for Trump. That's 61% for Trump across all three counties which (again) is consistent with the tri-county percentage. But - even if he won 100% of them - he'd still be down over 7,000 votes.

He lost. Wake up.
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You need to wake up, sir. Especially for someone who claims to desire a Trump win. This is not over yet (legally).

There is some serious dealings going on with large numbers of votes.
You can't have 300% voter turnout in an area. That's direct evidence of - at the very least vote irregularities - but I would say fraudulent behavior.
It's also going to be difficult to include votes where people broke the law to prevent ballot-watchers from observing the counts.
The number of sworn affidavits from people personally witnessing fraud is growing quickly. Unfortunately many of these people are hesitant to come forward publicly because they are being viciously attacked, harassed, doxxed etc by certain people - I don't want to say the Left - but it's pretty obvious where their political leanings lie.

It's also important to note (since surprise surprised the media is lying) the difference between a recount and an audit. The media will lie and say there was an audit but it was a recount - and a recount of fraudulent votes does nothing. However if they're actually do actual audits then be very worried if you're a Biden voter.
 
birdup.snaildown said:
When I first read about what they found during the Georgia recount, I thought, "Wow. There actually was fraud." But, clearly I was wrong. I think I wanted to believe it, because I lean right and I wanted Trump to win the election.
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Not so fast there buddy 'ol pal.

They're recounting the same ballots. That's not the same as VERIFYING them and THEN recounting them.
 
Anyway and not to start up again BUT (always a BUT isn't there)...

Kept away from here for a short while and decided to go looking elsewhere (in a crass attempt to get an alternate perspective). Only other stuff like this that I read (but have never posted on) is on Quora. I must say: some dudes over there (from both sides) sure do go to a lot of trouble when it comes to backing up their posts with documentation and links and the like (you think some of MY posts here are long i.e. think again). Anyway and for what it's worth: there sure now does seem to be a focus shift to the Electoral College and THAT possible little hiccup in the proceedings. I myself, in fact, did not realize in just how many states that Electors are NOT legally or constitutionally bound to vote according the popular vote. On Quora anyway: a lot of people have gone to a lot of trouble detailing which states and how many Faithless Electors would be required in order to swing this in Trump's favor. While the numbers are high, and possibly unlikely to happen (but with THIS election who the FUCK knows), the number of Faithless Electors that would be required in order for this to still go in Trump's favor is not quite as high as one would imagine relatively speaking.

And no I'm not pulling at straws i.e. merely stating an opinion and based on stuff I've read somewhere else for a change.
 
i've heard this 300% voter turnout claim a couple of times - can anybody substantiate it?

i know donald jr. tweeted a claim a day or two ago about a rise in turnout in, i think, a michigan county (i could be wrong) that could only be a result of fraudulent activity. in short, he read some numbers wrong and the claim was debunked immediately and definitively.

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birdup.snaildown said:
If an area had 300% voter turnout, don't you think someone would have picked up on that?
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Obviously I'd hate to disagree with you but on this one? I wouldn't be so sure on this one. Assuming these people are indeed able to count and maybe work a bit of software or something: picking up on it is possible. But what is done with that information is another story. Just saying.
 
dalpat077 said:
They're recounting the same ballots. That's not the same as VERIFYING them and THEN recounting them.
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No what I'm saying is they publish the results. Anyone can go online and look at how many people voted in any particular county. Considering Trump has a huge army of zombies trying desperately to prove fraud, surely one of them would have discovered it by now.

Tell me which county or state it was and I'll disprove it by showing you the vote count.
 
birdup.snaildown said:
No what I'm saying is they publish the results. Anyone can go online and look at how many people voted in any particular county. Considering Trump has a huge army of zombies trying desperately to prove fraud, surely one of them would have discovered it by now.

Tell me which county or state it was and I'll disprove it by showing you the vote count.
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Frankly. I don't have the answer. Was just saying. Who knows. He sure does now seem to be scraping the bottom of the barrel when it comes to his choice of zombies (those that immediately surround him). Dunno what to say about the rest. Maybe they're also throwing in the towel and couldn't be arsed anymore. But as has been noted: these claims sure do seem to come up often enough (but then again and as per my post yesterday) (whichever one it was) for some reason. It's the sources that are the problem with them (or so it would seem).
 
Speaking of media and their bullshit though I was horrified when I saw the below last night. More so because this was PBS! I had respect for them. But since when do they post opinions and factually incorrect information in the form of banners or graphics during a press conference (well obviously after the live press conference but then deliberately edited before being uploaded) (or was it live and I watched it streaming i.e. cannot even remember now)!

 
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I don't respect any journalists or media outlets. Some of them might lie less than others, but they're all liars to one degree or another. Same as politicians. I prefer Trump to Biden but neither of them can be trusted. People think newscorp is fucked and Trump is the devil. Personally I think they're all scum. It's all just different shades of shit. Come election time you have to choose which politician you think is the least fucked. But media? Fuck them all. I don't need to choose so I don't listen to any of them.
 
birdup.snaildown said:
I don't respect any journalists or media outlets. Some of them might lie less than others, but they're all liars to one degree or another. Same as politicians. I prefer Trump to Biden but neither of them can be trusted. People think newscorp is fucked and Trump is the devil. Personally I think they're all scum. It's all just different shades of shit. Come election time you have to choose which politician you think is the least fucked. But media? Fuck them all. I don't need to choose so I don't listen to any of them.
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Could not have said any of that better myself even if I tried hard!

As for the part of your post/quote that I emboldened: isn't that what happened in 2016 (ironically and as much as I hate to admit it)?
 
Yeah not sure who is worse: Hillary or Biden... Probably Hillary? It's hard to say. I see absolutely zero value in both of them. I trust Hillary less, but at least she's not retarded. If they were running against each other, I don't think anyone would vote.
 
birdup.snaildown said:
If an area had 300% voter turnout, don't you think someone would have picked up on that? And are u citing QAnon as a serious source?
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They did pick up on it. That's why some people know. Any source who says Biden won will not report on this.

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Giuliani: "There are precincts in Wayne County with 300% voter turnout".
 
JGrimez said:
Giuliani: "There are precincts in Wayne County with 300% voter turnout".
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Wayne County is where Detroit is located.
It always votes democrat, even when Michigan goes republican.

Clinton won Wayne County by 288,934 votes
Biden won Wayne County by 332,617

Again, the numbers are consistent.

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Wayne County (2016)​


D H. Clinton66.8%517,842
R D. Trump29.5%228,908


Wayne County (2020)597,17068.5%264,55330.3%
 
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