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US Politics The 2020 Trump Presidency Thread

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We’ve now went from him acknowledging Biden won, to back pedaling and saying he concedes nothing, to now declaring he won the election all within roughly 16 hours.
 
alasdairm said:
same margin both years.
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Nonsense.

Georgia = 0.3%
Georgia (2016) = 5.1%

Wisconsin = 0.7%
Wisconsin (2016)=1.3%

North Carolina = 0.3%
North Carolina (2016) = 3.6%

Arizona = 0.3%
Arizona (2016) = 3.5%
 
JessFR said:
I think this debate requires a definition of what a landslide really is to be productive.
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Surely margins of less than 1.0% isn't a landslide. Maybe neither of them were landslides, but Biden/Trump certainly wasn't. It was a very close election. Biden/Clinton may not have been a landslide (I don't care) but it certainly wasn't close.
 
Deru said:
We’ve now went from him acknowledging Biden won
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When did he concede that Biden won? I saw headlines that said that, but couldn't find an actual quote or tweet from him that confirmed it. I assume it is just fake news?
 
birdup.snaildown said:
Nonsense.

Georgia = 0.3%
Georgia (2016) = 5.1%

Wisconsin = 0.7%
Wisconsin (2016)=1.3%

North Carolina = 0.3%
North Carolina (2016) = 3.6%

Arizona = 0.3%
Arizona (2016) = 3.5%
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oh, now you're talking about popular vote? i'll just move on from that as now you're really starting to make my point for me :)

you don't win the election by winning specific states. you win the election by securing 270 or more votes of the electoral college.

in 2016, trump won 306 to hillary clinton's 232. in his words "a landslide".

in 2020, biden 306 to trump's 232.

if 2016 was a landslide. then 2020 is also a landslide.

that's my simple point.

alasdair
 
alasdairm said:
that's my simple point.
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I'm not talking about the popular vote. Not sure if you're reading the posts you're responding to. Biden won by securing less than half a dozen battleground states by narrow margins. Trump vs Clinton wasn't close. The margins (in those battleground states) were not close. It certainly wasn't a landslide. That's my simple point. ;)
 
alasdairm said:
He won because the Election was Rigged.
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Yeah, I saw that. The headlines said he conceded defeat. That's not conceding. He said the same thing he's been saying the whole time (which I disagree with) that the election was rigged.

Fake news.
 
birdup.snaildown said:
Biden won by securing less than half a dozen battleground states by narrow margins. Trump vs Clinton wasn't close. The margins (in those battleground states) were not close.
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and how do they count the votes - and hence, allocate their electoral votes - in states?

the rule isn't "270 or more electoral college votes (as long as the margin in key battleground states was greater than x%)"

it's just "270 or more electoral college votes". end of.

alasdair
 
Deru said:
Well, I guess it all doesn’t matter anymore, because Trump just claimed he won the election:



There’s never a dull moment with Trump.
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How sad is it that we live in a world where the presidents words have a tag saying essentially "officials have said this is wrong".

There was a time when we could generally rely on the president as being part of the official answers.
 
birdup.snaildown said:
Yeah, I saw that. The headlines said he conceded defeat. That's not conceding. He said the same thing he's been saying the whole time (which I disagree with) that the election was rigged.

Fake news.
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He never conceded. The news just jumped the gun and misunderstood what trump said.

He said Biden won in the context of "by cheating". That's not and never was an admission of defeat.

Mark my words, trump will never admit defeat, he will just get quieter and stop resisting. That will be as much admission of defeat as we ever get.

I don't believe it will come down to him being escorted out of the Whitehouse by force. Trump knows he's lost he just can't admit it.

If he were a true believer in what he says, that's what he'd do. But he isn't. He's a liar and a coward. In the end he will just let the election result happen and but continue crying fraud on Twitter.
 
birdup.snaildown said:
Georgia = 0.3%
Georgia (2016) = 5.1%

Wisconsin = 0.7%
Wisconsin (2016)=1.3%

North Carolina = 0.3%
North Carolina (2016) = 3.6%

Arizona = 0.3%
Arizona (2016) = 3.5%
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and if it's not clear, @birdup.snaildown , let me make it clear. i completely agree with you that the margins in ga, wi, nc & az were smaller.

it just doesn't matter.

alasdair
 
Yes, the popular votes within the swing states that decided the election were very close in 2020. They weren't close in 2016. I never said the EC count was close. You appear to be repeatedly trying to defeat an argument that I'm not making despite recurring efforts on my part to clarify my position. I'm not going to keep going around in circles with you. It's making me dizzy.
 
birdup.snaildown said:
Yes, the popular votes within the swing states that decided the election were very close in 2020. They weren't close in 2016.
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you quoted the margins in 4 states. isn't your point that those margins are somehow meaningful?

if so, i disagree - they're meaningless.

if not then i don't know what your point is :)

alasdair
 
They're meaningless to the outcome of the election but not to my comparative statement about the closeness of this election and the one four years ago. If the votes in swing states were 1% different this year, it would have changed the election. If they were 1% different four years ago it wouldn't have meant nothing.

You already conceded defeat and now you're backtracking. ;)
 
alasdairm said:
if you somehow see that as some kind of win for you, great job champ.
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Thanks. This discussion is definitely one of my greatest accomplishments. I printed it out, framed it, and put it on my wall. This is a story I will be telling my grandchildren.

JessFR said:
There was a time when we could generally rely on the president as being part of the official answers.
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Sowing distrust in politicians and the media is one of the positive things Trump has done for America. You shouldn't trust your president. Like you said they lie as long as they don't think they will get caught... and you definitely shouldn't trust media.

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