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US Politics The 2020 Trump Presidency Thread

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LSDiesel said:
I think I got the general idea.
So... dipshit president owes millions and will be in court for the rest of his life...so he fakes an election scandal to drum up support money. He knows he will lose but he needs as much money as possible if he will survive the lawsuits coming to him once hes removed from power.

makes total sense. its still disgusting but it makes sense,
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Actually, it makes no sense. If he wanted money why has he taken the least salary of all presidents in the history of the US (less than half a dozen presidents have refused salary but ultimately accepted pretty large sums of money anyway)?

And if he owed millions for events that largely occurred before he was elected, why wasn't he spending all his time in court back then? The truth is most large corporations have multiple law suits every year and the CEO and/or primary shareholders aren't required to sit in, nor are they criminally liable.

Trump isn't going to jail. He hasn't done anything (that we know about) that would warrant a jail sentence. If he went to jail for his business dealings, half of the corporate world would go to jail with him.

Assuming his corporations "owe millions", worst case scenario is: they just pay it.
 
earlier this year, white house press secretary kayleigh mcenany promised, clearly and simply "i will never lie to you. you have my word on that."

i guess she forgot that pledge. today she tweeted this:



"More than one MILLION marchers"

complete, absolute and utter bullshit. it's hard to get accurate crowd size numbers but the national park service issued a permit for up to 10,000 people and even the most generous estimates cap the crowd at perhaps 30,000 maximum.

there are not enough facepalms.

i guess the trump presidency is ending the same way it started - a ludicrous lie about the size of a crowd...

alasdair
 
I guess I'm not sure I see your point as significant?

When Biden said 170 million people have been killed by guns since 2007 (or whatever it was exactly, couldn't be bothered looking it up), was that a lie... or was he stuttering? Or when he said 120 million people died from COVID... then said 200 million people died... then said 230 million people died.

If anyone is guilty of adding extra zeros it is the president elect.

For the record, I don't think he was lying when he said any of that. It's also not how a stutter works. My dad had to overcome a stutter and he became the CEO of an analytical firm. He never in his life confused a thousand for a million.

Biden is a liar, don't get me wrong, but these maths "hiccups" are something much worse than lies. He is a liar (all politicians are) but he is also utterly incompetent. I don't think he has dementia. I think he's a moron.
 
TripSitterNZ said:
Biden is the biggest liar of all US political history since the days he went to college he lied his ass off about everything.
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I'm not sure if he's the biggest liar in US political history. That's like trying to find the dirtiest pig in a sty... but he certainly lied on tape about his qualifications then lied about lying about them.

Bernie Sanders had no chance of becoming president because he's too honest.
 
birdup.snaildown said:
Wow, a republican lied.
Democrats don't do that.

You've convinced me.
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Yea but see, in the past politicians usually lied about things they thought they wouldn't get caught out on. Things people couldn't prove they were lying about.

Then trump showed up and now we have lying about shit that is effortlessly disproved and a president and supporters who simply say "it's fake" to any evidence to the contrary.

There's no commonly accepted sources of truth anymore and that has been a devastating blow to politics in America.
 
JessFR said:
Yea but see, in the past politicians usually lied about things they thought they wouldn't get caught out on. Things people couldn't prove they were lying about.
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Sure, Nixon lied because he thought he wouldn't get caught and Clinton lied sincerely to the American people implying that the woman he was sexually inappropriate with in the oval office was the liar. They clearly thought they'd get away with it... but what about Biden lying about his qualifications? Isn't that the same as Trump? No idea how the hell he thought he could just make up his degree and what university he went to.
 
biden did lie about his academic qualifications. definitely lame.

you forgot to mention that he admitted he lied, expressed regret for doing so and apologized. a lesson many, including the president, could learn.

alasdair
 
alasdairm said:
you forgot to mention that he admitted he lied, expressed regret for doing so and apologized.
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I'm only aware of one apology which was hardly an apology. It was more along the lines of, "oops, I was confused. I regret being mistaken." which is typical political bullshit. Maybe he admitted he lied after that, but he hasn't admitted lying to an extraordinary amount of other shit.
 
an election is a binary thing. you win or you lose.

birdup.snaildown said:
Or when he said 120 million people died from COVID... then said 200 million people died... then said 230 million people died.
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joe biden has flubbed the covid death figures twice. once at a campaign event on june 25th, and again in the presidential debate.

in both cases he said he was mistaken and corrected himself immediately.

alasdair
 
He did it three times and he didn't immediately retract it on at least one of those occasions.

He also said (twice) George Bush instead of Trump.

alasdairm said:
an election is a binary thing. you win or you lose.
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Obviously, but the fact that he barely won (tiny margins in significant battleground states) means what about Biden? Hardly an accomplishment if Trump is as bad as you say.
 
Keep in mind, when you point out the small margin in which Biden won.

Trump won the same number of electoral college votes in 2016. And a significantly lower portion of the popular vote.

But then, we already know the American people don't want trump. If they did he'd have won the national vote, yet he never has.
 
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