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Election 2020 The Final Countdown v. Nov. 3rd

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Deru said:
I think Trump was too self-destructive for his own good, his vitriol and gaslighting, and his complete obsession with not alienating his loyal base, completely over shadowed the positive of his presidency.

Totally agree. As someone that liked him at first, I was constantly disappointed every time he opened his mouth and said something completely insane... which was all the time. Every time he did something good, he would immediately proceed to shit all over his accomplishments by being a total twat. He made it very hard to keep defending him.

It's hard to look past all the crazy stuff he said, but (if you can manage it) he actually wasn't a terrible president. He de-escalated a number of conflicts throughout his presidency but nobody took any notice because unfortunately his antics always take the spotlight.

The greatest thing he accomplished is proving to the republican party that they don't need to play PC games like the democrats.

Deru said:
Although, I can’t go as far as to say if Trump was a better human being then that would have even helped, because if you change one thing about a person, typically it will ultimately affect the whole of who someone is. Some of his accomplishments are probably, ultimately, in some way shape or form, tied to the same traits that became his downfall.

Not sure I agree with this part. He dialed it back successfully during the second presidential debate and actually came across like a reasonable person for once. I don't see why he couldn't have done this more often.
 
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Not sure I agree with this part. He dialed it back successfully during the second presidential debate and actually came across like a reasonable person for once. I don't see why he couldn't have done this more often.

That’s kind of the underlying problem, though, isn’t it? He may have been successful at controlling it, at times, but as with all aspects of someone’s persona, it will ebb and flow based on the complex factors that contribute to it in the first place.
 
Maybe. He dialed it back in the second debate because of the backlash from the first. Everybody's actions are influenced by reactions. If he existed in a different time and place he probably would have been a different president. I believe people can change. I know they can. But sometimes it's hard to change when your environment doesn't. I don't know?
 
Maybe. He dialed it back in the second debate because of the backlash from the first. Everybody's actions are influenced by reactions. If he existed in a different time and place he probably would have been a different president. I believe people can change. I know they can. But sometimes it's hard to change when your environment doesn't. I don't know?

some people can. most people don't.
 
I disagree. Most people do change, but more often than not it takes decades. Trump strikes me as somebody that probably won't change. He's stubborn and pigheaded to the extreme, but I've been surprised more than a few times with people like him. COVID has caused a lot of people on the right to question their political orientation. Worldwide the right-wing attitude (relative to the left) has been to let people die. Trump has also made people on the right thing twice, I reckon.

JessFR said:
some people can. most people don't.

All people can. Most people do.
 
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Not sure what you mean. Can you elaborate a bit on that?

Yeah, an example is how during his campaign rallies while trying to get elected, he would say things like (this is a direct quote): “When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.” And then during his presidency, he kept referring to the "caravans" of immigrants filled with rapists and terrorists and human traffickers. And the implication was that most illegal immigrants are criminals ("I'm sure some are good people" is basically saying yeah maybe there are a few good people too, but most are awful). The purpose of this was to get people to fear and virulently oppose immigrants, and the result (which cannot be said to have been Trump's intention, but he never condemned it either) was that a lot of his base harbors a hatred of anyone who looks like an illegal immigrant, which is, basically, any Mexican/central American. His rhetoric helped lead to events such as the El Paso Walmart shooting.

If he had just stuck to quietly deporting illegal immigrants like Obama, without making the effort to demonize them, I would feel differently about it. We should not be demonizing illegal immigrants, we should be trying to understand the problem, and we should have compassion for them as human beings who are very often in terrible situations and trying to escape.
 
Yeah, an example is how during his campaign rallies while trying to get elected, he would say things like (this is a direct quote): “When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.” And then during his presidency, he kept referring to the "caravans" of immigrants filled with rapists and terrorists and human traffickers. And the implication was that most illegal immigrants are criminals ("I'm sure some are good people" is basically saying yeah maybe there are a few good people too, but most are awful). The purpose of this was to get people to fear and virulently oppose immigrants, and the result (which cannot be said to have been Trump's intention, but he never condemned it either) was that a lot of his base harbors a hatred of anyone who looks like an illegal immigrant, which is, basically, any Mexican/central American. His rhetoric helped lead to events such as the El Paso Walmart shooting.

If he had just stuck to quietly deporting illegal immigrants like Obama, without making the effort to demonize them, I would feel differently about it. We should not be demonizing illegal immigrants, we should be trying to understand the problem, and we should have compassion for them as human beings who are very often in terrible situations and trying to escape.
I always agree with your principles, and recognize your true heart and well meaning in everything you say, plus I respect how you accept others regardless of ideology, political orientation, personal beliefs etc, without showing any prejudice.

Just wanted to say that anyway.

However, one point I want to make, and although deadly serious like everything I ever say, is also partly the natural comedien in me.

I find the name of this thread rather bizarre, given the overwhelming, like 98% of participants here clearly being adamant Trump haters, when in fact, almost, or equally, or even more so depending on the teal true validity of the voting figures- half voting americans are passionate Trump supporters.

That is, by huge understatement, vastly undemonstrated here.

I joked many pages back that this thread title would give a more accurate portrayal if it was called something like the "Hate Donald Trump with a vengeance" thread.

Maybe it is a strange demographic of Bluelight? I don't know. Just saying what I see and think, without getting into the actual politics of it all lol!

(I expect Alasdair may seek to call me out on this in some way or another, and request some official justification and congruity lol!) 😉

Still fighting hard here, still alive, slightly better. Long may Autotripper continue!☺
 
Perhaps I've missed it in this montrosity of a thread...

but is anyone talking about how Trump currently has the New York City prosecutor waiting to open a case against him? Sitting presidents cannot be sued so it's been on hold for a while. But if he takes this second term, the statute of limitations would wear off during that time, leaving him untouchable. Is it possible he's doing all this just to serve his own self interests. And is preying on ill informed Americans by taking their donation money at rallies to boost his funds for a legal battle?
 
Perhaps I've missed it in this montrosity of a thread...

but is anyone talking about how Trump currently has the New York City prosecutor waiting to open a case against him? Sitting presidents cannot be sued so it's been on hold for a while. But if he takes this second term, the statute of limitations would wear off during that time, leaving him untouchable. Is it possible he's doing all this just to serve his own self interests. And is preying on ill informed Americans by taking their donation money at rallies to boost his funds for a legal battle?
It's more of a witch hunt than a thread, in my observation, whether the witch is guilty or not. That was my point. One would just expect to see a bit more of a balance, if we judged anything from the title and beared in mind the mass of the US citizens still voting for and passionately dedicated to Trump.

Maybe the Democrats have somehow hidden this thread from republican voters? (Joke!)
 
It's more of a witch hunt than a thread, in my observation, whether the witch is guilty or not. That was my point. One would just expect to see a bit more of a balance, if we judged anything from the title and beared in mind the mass of the US citizens still voting for and passionately dedicated to Trump.

Maybe the Democrats have somehow hidden this thread from republican voters? (Joke!)
Have you considered that those more likely to for Donald trump are probably less likely to seek harm reduction info on a site like this? It tends to be the case that standard war on drugs policies are supported by them
 
Have you considered that those more likely to for Donald trump are probably less likely to seek harm reduction info on a site like this? It tends to be the case that standard war on drugs policies are supported by them
I did consider that. But this is not just a place where us geese flock for harm reduction purposes, per se, but also to share experiences, learn from others, socialise, banter, seek entertainment and distraction with topics which interest us etc.

Bluelight is so much more than simply a harm reduction website, in my opinion, it just has that as it's backbone.
 
I did consider that. But this is not just a place where us geese flock for harm reduction purposes, per se, but also to share experiences, learn from others, socialise, banter, seek entertainment and distraction with topics which interest us etc.

Bluelight is so much more than simply a harm reduction website, in my opinion, it just has that as it's backbone.
%100 agreed

but how would people even find us here if not seeking harm reduction info in the first place? BL is almost entirely blacklisted from google searches unless “blue light” is included with the search
 
%100 agreed

but how would people even find us here if not seeking harm reduction info in the first place? BL is almost entirely blacklisted from google searches unless “blue light” is included with the search
Well, to answer that simply, I myself have had a lifelong interest in the use and study of psychedellics, with a past history of arguably the heaviest MDMA consumption out of all current members on this forum.

I never joined BL seeking any harm reduction adivce, nor discovered it by seeking harm reduction advice.

I was simply studying into various psychoactive substances, using google, for education and entertainment purposes. Bluelight was shooting up all over the place.

I joined for all of the reasons I mentioned above, but not least because I felt I owed it to the community to pitch in with my own experiences, particularly with heavy prolonged MDMA abuse, both in a counselling sense, and as a therapeutic avenue and hobby for myself.

Plus I like to entertain, with so many unique but wild tales of the past to share.

But I take your points on board. We all have our own individual reasons joining here, and ways of participating.

What I love about thos website in that regard, is that the rules are very flexible and broad, with yes, the strong harm reduction and general safe substance use backbone, but it serves for many as a social platform to share common interests, interact and banter.

I mean, what does the 2020 Presidency election have to do with drug harm reduction, in a direct manner, lol?
 
This is a Community forum, not a Focus forum for harm reduction. We promote the Community aspect of Bluelight.

We have a number of Trump supporters here, and I assure you this forum would look a lot different if Trump had won.
Thank you for that claryfication, from your own informed side of things. I myself greatly appreciate this freeflowing aspect to the forum, which in no way ever falls short for harm reduction purposes or safe and proper drug use advice.

We have scores of people here from all over, with vast experience and nobody seeking important advice or support is ever neglected in my observations.

I do also greatly appreciate the good work all the moderators here do, regardless of where we all are individually on the Love/Hate Trump scale lol!
 
This is a Community forum, not a Focus forum for harm reduction. We promote the Community aspect of Bluelight.

We have a number of Trump supporters here, and I assure you this forum would look a lot different if Trump had won.
Indeed on that last point, I know there would be many very unhappy, disappointed, and outraged members here in this forum.

And I said before, I certainly would not want that at all, and would not even think of scorning in their faces.

I am just as upset myself if Trump loses (I really don't see it being all over just yet either with numerous legal proceedings underway).

Regardless (I like that word lol), I hate to see people unhappy, for whatever reason, exluding very bad and evil-purposed people of course.
 
There are quite a number of Trump supporters here. A lot of them have been silent for a while recently. Over the past year or two there have been times where it seemed like the Trump supporters outnumbered the Trump opposers.

I would definitely say there are more people opposed to Trump on Bluelight, by far, however that is because the whole world is represented in our members, and although there are Trump supporters overseas, my experience has been that there are not very many, it's mostly Americans that support Trump in large numbers.

Also, the vast majority of Bluelighters never post in CEPS, and don't talk about politics on here at all, so who knows who they support?

Also regarding you saying that found Bluelight through Google to search for psychedelic info... yeah, so did I. But 2 to 3 years ago, Google decided to black list all drug-focused sites from searches. We used to show up on the first page for basically any drug-related search, now we don't show up at all unless you add "bluelight" to your search (ie, you have to already know about Bluelight, or hear about it from somewhere else, you don't find it accidentally anymore).
 
Xorkoth, while Obama didn't fear monger about rapists and criminals crossing the border he certainly fear mongered about NK and other things. One example doesn't prove a trend. I don't agree with how Trump worded many of his comments about immigrants on the southern border but I honestly don't think he's substantially more guilty of spreading fear than Bush... or substantially more guilty of contributing to political division (which inevitably leads to fear and violence) than Biden.
 
Biden hasn't even started his presidency yet and he seems to be making no effort to unite the country. He appears to be doing quite the opposite. Calling Trump a clown. Saying he's the worst president ever. Blatantly lying about things Trump said/did. Saying if you don't vote for him you aren't black. Maybe he's not quite as bad as Trump, but he's still dividing the country. Clinton said people who vote from Trump were deplorables.

I don't see anyone working towards unity from where I'm standing.

JessFR said:
If you don't think Trump is more guilty of creating political division than Biden, then I dunno what to say.

I honestly think a lot of people on this thread are as guilty of creating political division as Trump. Political commentators, celebrities and comedians on the left like Stephen Colbert and Sascha Baron Cohen are worse than Trump... not to mention all the fake news media outlets that constantly lied and took things out of context to literally sell fear of the presidency and the future of the US.
 
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