Election 2020 The Final Countdown v. Nov. 3rd

[dalpat077]

Mail in ballots always lean democrat, but particularly because of the dem/republican attitude towards COVID restrictions and mask wearing... plus Trump encouraged republicans to vote in person and the dems encouraged mail in ballots.

Does that clear it up?

Well I'm in no position to question what you're staying with regard to the statistics (ballots always leaning democrat). And the rest of your explanation makes sense I'll admit. This all being said: something just doesn't sit right with me and I just cannot put my finger on it. Yet anyway.

 

[JessFR]

And we knew that, and everyone was saying that would happen months before the election. It's not some surprise that the mail ins lean democratic that we are just now having to explain.

And we knew from the start this would likely take a while, and that it could result in an initial apparent lead for trump that he could then lose.

Trump even knows it, it's abundantly obvious that he's been planning to use that face to cry foul for a while now.

 

[JessFR]

I don't get why you lefties in the US aren't happy. You won. Don't let him take that away from you. You're playing right into his games... What are you frustrated about?

I think a lot of us are still terrified that either trump will somehow still win or cheat or something. It seems too good to be true.

 

[birdup.snaildown]

something just doesn't sit right with me and I just cannot put my finger on it. Yet anyway.

In other words, you want to believe that fraud took place but now you don't have a reason to?

 

[JessFR]

In other words, you want to believe that fraud took place but now you don't have a reason to?

Hey credit where it's due. That's a lot better than just assuming fraud with zero evidence like a lot of trump supporters are doing.

For those of us who would have accepted a trump win as just Americans being retarded, hearing a Biden win condemned as cheating when you knew they were always gonna say this no matter the result.

Well it's quite annoying to say the least.

 

[birdup.snaildown]

From what I've seen the left didn't graciously accept a Trump win. They did everything in their power to get him out of office and constantly insulted him and his family.

You guys are both sides of the same coin.

You're just as bad as each other.

 

[dalpat077]

In other words, you want to believe that fraud took place but now you don't have a reason to?

I didn't post for the sake of being argumentative. I'm merely saying that something doesn't sit right with me is all. And it's got nothing to do with the video clip that I posted either (if nothing else I posted the video clip to merely indicate, in a more eloquent manner, what I was getting at).

Although I'm pretty well versed on the political system over there it's the first time I've bothered to look into the actual mechanics of voting in the USA. It pains me (like you have no idea) to have to say that even OUR voting system is more secure and less susceptible to manipulation (which is ironic given that everything else is totally fucked here).

 

[birdup.snaildown]

I didn't post for the sake of being argumentative.

I didn't mean to suggest you were being argumentative for the sake of it. Nobody is totally neutral. Everybody wants to believe something. The lefties in America want to believe Trump is the devil just like they said Bush was the devil back in the day. You have a different bias. You suspect fraud despite the complete absence of any evidence. Ask yourself why. It seems to me you want to believe it... for whatever reason?

Everything is totally fucked where?

 

[JessFR]

From what I've seen the left didn't graciously accept a Trump win. They did everything in their power to get him out of office and constantly insulted him and his family.

You guys are both sides of the same coin.

You're just as bad as each other.

I don't give a fuck what "the left" did.

I am saying that *i*, and I have no doubt others (but no not all who oppose trump) would have accepted his victory as legitimate.

That does not mean accepting, agreeing, or not complaining about his actions after victory. But it means accepting the victory itself as legitimate.

And seeing other people complain with absolutely no proof that Biden winning is fraud is very frustrating to me, and I would assume for others who are like minded.

 

[JessFR]

I didn't mean to suggest you were being argumentative for the sake of it. Nobody is totally neutral. Everybody wants to believe something. The lefties in America want to believe Trump is the devil just like they said Bush was the devil back in the day. You have a different bias. You suspect fraud despite the complete absence of any evidence. Ask yourself why. It seems to me you want to believe it... for whatever reason?

Everything is totally fucked where?

I for one never thought Bush was the devil.

In fact I was arguably more republican leaning when he was in power than I was Democrat leaning.

What can I say, I was young and stupid.

Also the right hadn't entirely lost its mind yet then.

Might also be living in Australia for years has influenced my political beliefs.

 

[birdup.snaildown]

I am saying that *i*, and I have no doubt others (but no not all who oppose trump) would have accepted his victory as legitimate.

His victory was accepted as legitimate but not his presidency. Where I come from, politics isn't a disastrous mess. It seems to me (and all I see is news / social media) that the US is upside down and inside out. Most people in NZ think your country is broken. It's not just the republicans. It's everyone. Biden called Trump a clown during a presidential debate. You just called people who voted for him retards. It looks like a circus from where I'm standing. I don't see a big difference between right and left over there. It's all just a total mess and you all seem to be contributing to it all the time. No offense.

 

[JessFR]

His victory was accepted as legitimate but not his presidency. Where I come from, politics isn't a disastrous mess. It seems to me (and all I see is news / social media) that the US is upside down and inside out. Most people in NZ think your country is broken. It's not just the republicans. It's everyone. Biden called Trump a clown during a presidential debate. You just called people who voted for him retards. It looks like a circus from where I'm standing. I don't see a big difference between right and left over there. It's all just a total mess and you all seem to be contributing to it all the time. No offense.

Wait when did I call people who voted for him retards? I mean I'll admit I think many of them are, but not all. Not every trump voter is a crazy conspiracy nut.

You're right though, it is broken. It is a disastrous mess. It's arguably headed towards collapse.

I don't know how you fix that. I am absolutely positive trump ain't it though.

 

[dalpat077]

I didn't mean to suggest you were being argumentative for the sake of it. Nobody is totally neutral. Everybody wants to believe something. The lefties in America want to believe Trump is the devil just like they said Bush was the devil back in the day. You have a different bias. You suspect fraud despite the complete absence of any evidence. Ask yourself why. It seems to me you want to believe it... for whatever reason?

Everything is totally fucked where?

South Africa (sorry i.e. I forgot that my profile no longer displays where I'm from).

The above being said I suppose it stands to reason that I'm suspicious as we've lived with corruption on a grand scale since 1994 (the exception, ironically, being that our voting system is the one thing that's pretty much off limits and about as secure as it's ever going to get).

I don't know if you were around at the time of my politically charged and racist thread? But some around here know where I'm coming from.

By the way and for those that were involved: I deleted that thread because, to my utter disgust, it came to my attention that even I, who tries to be real careful to not be influenced by the media and tries real hard to fact check before posting, was misled by sensationalism in the media (which only became apparent weeks after the thread had been started). That's not to downplay the shit that goes on here. But in that particular instance: the headlines right from the get go were sensationalized, as it turned out, and it disgusted me to the extent where I deleted the thread and, if the truth be told, it's what's kept me out of this fray because it's become apparent to me, more so than ever, that the chances of finding a media outlet that is not biased nowadays is like finding a needle in haystack and I fell for it in spite of my attempts to ensure that this never happened.

 

[Deleted member 521610]

biden used the Chinese and russians to give a plan to fraud to the election its very obvious. Good luck america having a Chinese puppet. Trump is not out of the race yet its very very close and all these fraud votes are making biden win.

 

[birdup.snaildown]

Wait when did I call people who voted for him retards?

For those of us who would have accepted a trump win as just Americans being retarded, hearing a Biden win condemned as cheating when you knew they were always gonna say this no matter the result.

I mean I'll admit I think many of them are, but not all.

I didn't say all.

 

[mal3volent]

Like everybody else around the world I'm obviously watching what's happening with the elections. And I've tried to stay well clear of any discussion or provide any input or opinion on the topic (and which I've managed to do up until now).

Personal ideologies aside though there is something I just cannot get my head around and that is this:

How come it's the mail in and absentee ballots that seem to be the key factor in pushing Biden into the lead? Does this not strike anybody else (other than my esteemed colleague @TripSitterNZ) as odd? Just from a purely logical point of view something doesn't make sense to me or sit right with me in my gut. So I'd be really interested in opinions on this.

For the record I found the below the other day. I never bothered to post about this or post the link as it was still early days but the phenomenon continues right up until this morning (this was broadcast on 5 November so it was early days hence my not taking it too seriously at the time but, as I say, days after the phenomenon continues).

sky news

 

[birdup.snaildown]

I don't know how you fix that.

You don't fix it by calling people retards.

 

[dalpat077]

sky news

Funny. Like I said: the clip didn't influence me but rather reinforced my gut feel that something just isn't right with all of this. Exactly what's not right I do not know. As I noted: the broadcast was a day later so I took it with a pinch of salt in spite of my asking the same questions prior to finding the clip. But as of this morning and since election day: the phenomenon continues. Were it not for that I'd not have bothered getting involved here.

One thing that does come to mind though (and maybe food for thought): it's only Sky News Australia. The rest of Sky News is simply regurgitating the same shit as all of the other networks worldwide.

 

[birdup.snaildown]

Like I said: the clip didn't influence me but rather reinforced my gut feel that something just isn't right with all of this.

The clip didn't influence you but rather it influenced you?

the phenomenon continues

There is no phenomenon. You are being manipulated by right wing media.

 

[JessFR]

How is this a phenomenon?

We knew for months that postal voting was very high because of the pandemic. We had every reason to believe they would lean strongly democratic, especially since trump himself called them a fraud and encouraged his people to come out and vote, and democrats actually believe pandemics exist and don't wanna go out and get sick.

It has been believed for months that the enormous mail in voting would cause slow counting. And that it could cause trump to appear to come in strong at first and then lose some votes to the mail in.


This was all expected ahead of time. There is no phenomenon. There is nothing unusual happening given the circumstances. And there's zero evidence of fraud.

It's all total bullshit.