US Politics Becoming A Citizen Elsewhere (for fleeing Americans)

[TheLoveBandit]

Because the topic came up before, and I promised to do some homework and haven't so far...

How to become a citizen of...

Canada

To be eligible to become a Canadian citizen, you must:

• be a permanent resident
• have lived in Canada for 3 out of the last 5 years
• have filed your taxes, if you need to
• pass a citizenship test
• prove your language skills

Australia (for only AUD285, call now and get a free set of Ginsu knives)

You must

• be a permanent resident or eligible New Zealand citizen when you apply and when we decide your application
• be in Australia when we decide on your application in most cases
• have spent time in Australia and know about our country
• intend to live in Australia or maintain a lasting link with Australia while overseas

Some of the ever popular 'Socialist' nations for those liberals fleeing America for the good life

China

Foreigners can apply to become Chinese citizens under article 7 of the Nationality Law of the PRC. To qualify for citizenship under that article, a foreigner must:

1. have close relatives who are Chinese nationals;
2. have settled in a part of China; or
3. have other legitimate reasons for applying for citizenship.

In Hong Kong, all applications for naturalisation are handled by the Immigration Department in accordance with the Chinese Nationality (Miscellaneous Provisions) Ordinance (Cap. 540 of the Laws of Hong Kong). More information about applying for naturalisation is available from the website of the Immigration Department.

Successful applicants for naturalisation are entitled to the same rights as persons who acquired Chinese nationality at birth. Foreigners are required by article 8 of the Nationality Law of the PRC to renounce their original nationality on acquiring Chinese citizenship.

Denmark

Nationality by naturalization
If you want to become a Danish citizen by naturalization, you will have to go through a complicated application process and fulfil a number of conditions. In order to apply for Danish nationality, you must have lived in Denmark for a certain number of years and have a permanent residence permit. If you do not have a permanent residence permit, you should apply for one at the Danish Immigration Service.

In most cases you will need to have lived in Denmark continuously for a minimum of 9 years to apply for citizenship. If you have refugee status in Denmark, you only need to have lived in Denmark for 8 years continuously. The requirements for continuous residency in Denmark are even shorter for:

• Nordic nationals
• anyone married to a Danish national
• anyone who came to Denmark as a child and has received a Danish education
• anyone who has undergone a significant part of their general education or vocational training in Denmark.

Factors such as imprisonment will prevent you from being listed in a naturalisation bill. The same applies if you have overdue debt to public authorities.

You must also prove that you are able to support yourself, meaning you do not, and must not have, received any public benefits within the past year. You must also have been self-supportive for 4 years and 6 months out of the last 5 years before your application. State education grants and loans, anticipatory pensions or old-age pensions will not prevent you from obtaining Danish nationality.

Upon submission of your application, you will need to pay an application fee of DKK 1,000. You must prove your Danish skills by providing an examination certificate, as well as passing a citizenship test. The citizenship test will prove you have sufficient knowledge of Danish society, culture and history and you will be presented with a certificate if you pass.

You will also need to sign a declaration in which you pledge your allegiance and loyalty to Denmark and the Danish society, declare your willingness to observe Danish legislation and respect fundamental Danish principles of law. You will also have to disclose your criminal record in the form of a solemn declaration, whether committed in Denmark or abroad.

In terms of your present nationality, you must be prepared to give this up in order to be listed in a naturalisation bill. Whether you lose your current nationality automatically upon becoming a Danish national, or whether you need to apply to be released, depends on the nationality legislation in your home country.

Finland

Requirements
Make sure you meet the requirements for becoming a citizen before you submit an application.

1. You are at least 18 years of age and your identity has been reliably established
2. You know Finnish or Swedish at least on a satisfactory level
3. You live in Finland and you have lived here long enough
4. You are not guilty of any crime and no restraining order has been issued against you
5. You have met your payment obligations
6. You have informed us about the source of your means of support

And for comparison, requirements for American citizenship:

U.S. Citizenship through Naturalization

Becoming a citizen through naturalization is a process in which a non-U.S. citizen voluntarily becomes an American citizen. U.S. citizens:

• Owe their allegiance to the United States
• Are entitled to its protection
• Should exercise their rights and responsibilities as citizens

Review this visual overview (PDF, Download Adobe Reader) about the general naturalization process.

To become a U.S. citizen, you must:

• Have had a Permanent Resident (Green) Card for at least five years, or for at least three years if you’re filing as the spouse of a U.S. citizen
  • You must renew your Permanent Resident Card before applying for citizenship if:
• Your card will expire within six months of applying, or
• Your card has already expired
• You can apply for naturalization before you receive your new Green Card. But, you’ll need to submit a photocopy of the receipt for your Form I-90, Application to Replace Permanent Resident Card, when you receive it.
• Meet certain eligibility requirements. To see if you’re eligible, click on the link that is most similar to your situation. Some requirements may include being:
  • At least 18 years old when you apply
  • Able to read, write, and speak basic English
  • A person of good moral character
• Go through the 10-step naturalization process which includes:
  • Determining your eligibility to become an American citizen
  • Preparing and submitting form N-400, the application for naturalization
  • Taking the U.S. Naturalization Test and having a personal interview

So aside from familial connections in China, everyone is pretty much the same = live there for awhile (legally), renounce previous citizenship, be functional with language, not have a criminal history, and in half the cases you need to take a test to show your knowledge of the country you are wishing to join. Not really that tough, IMO, unless a country has tightened it's work visa criteria thereby making residency an issue.

For Hollywood elites, I would expect money can make a path to citizenship fairly easily.

 

[AutoTripper]

Because the topic came up before, and I promised to do some homework and haven't so far...

How to become a citizen of...

Canada



Australia (for only AUD285, call now and get a free set of Ginsu knives)



Some of the ever popular 'Socialist' nations for those liberals fleeing America for the good life

China



Denmark



Finland





And for comparison, requirements for American citizenship:




So aside from familial connections in China, everyone is pretty much the same = live there for awhile (legally), renounce previous citizenship, be functional with language, not have a criminal history, and in half the cases you need to take a test to show your knowledge of the country you are wishing to join. Not really that tough, IMO, unless a country has tightened it's work visa criteria thereby making residency an issue.

For Hollywood elites, I would expect money can make a path to citizenship fairly easily.

My Chinese accupuncturist lady, who I visited today, is going back to China next week for a 6 month visit to see family.

Her English husband is currently unable to be granted any type of visa to go with her, due to you know whatsit.

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[JessFR]

Because the topic came up before, and I promised to do some homework and haven't so far...

How to become a citizen of...

Canada



Australia (for only AUD285, call now and get a free set of Ginsu knives)



Some of the ever popular 'Socialist' nations for those liberals fleeing America for the good life

China



Denmark



Finland





And for comparison, requirements for American citizenship:




So aside from familial connections in China, everyone is pretty much the same = live there for awhile (legally), renounce previous citizenship, be functional with language, not have a criminal history, and in half the cases you need to take a test to show your knowledge of the country you are wishing to join. Not really that tough, IMO, unless a country has tightened it's work visa criteria thereby making residency an issue.

For Hollywood elites, I would expect money can make a path to citizenship fairly easily.

This seems kinda disingenuous.

The "live there for a while" part actually means permanent residency. Sooo, you gotta get that first. And to get that usually involves getting some particular type of visa first. Which in turn usually requires having a job (which means being offered a job from the destination country) or getting married to an existing citizen or something of that nature. Also the "getting a job" part often involves some kind of test to show why the employer can't realistically hire locally.

Sure, if you're a rich celebrity I don't see this being a problem, but everyone else? Sure it can be done, but not exactly on a whim.

 

[S.J.B.]

So aside from familial connections in China, everyone is pretty much the same = live there for awhile (legally), renounce previous citizenship...

I think China is the only country of the ones you listed that requires renouncing one's previous citizenship.

 

[HeadphonesandLSD]

I think China is the only country of the ones you listed that requires renouncing one's previous citizenship.

IIRC it's a pretty common stipulation. I also know Canada requires you be college educated or highly skilled labor. I know Canada's laws because I was going to immigrate at one point for a girl I planned to marry. America is the only country I know of where you're allowed to hold public office while holding dual citizenship with another country. Not talked about much but a lot of reps in the states hold dual citizenship with Israel.

America is the most lax country as far as immigration laws go. Used to be a lot more strict until 1965. I think the EU countries got more lax recently but I'm not sure about the details. I doubt they are as lax as America is.

 

[cduggles]

Japan looks fairly reasonable on paper for citizenship, but it’s not unless you are born there or born to parents who are Japanese citizens. Allegedly it’s getting easier because of the population decrease in Japan, but who knows?

A responsible moderator would mention that everyone is off-topic, but I am guilty myself.

 

[HeadphonesandLSD]

Forgot to mention a lot of these celebrities claimed they would flee America in 2016 if Trump won but I don't recall any of them going. They make a big stink about it every year.

Japan looks fairly reasonable on paper for citizenship, but it’s not unless you are born there or born to parents who are Japanese citizens. Allegedly it’s getting easier because of the population decrease in Japan, but who knows?

Japan is very strict on immigration. They're trying to guilt the Japanese to open up but most people there don't want the laws changed. They say the Japanese are very racist because they want to keep the island Japanese. Marrying a native is a hard process. It isn't like America where you get some paperwork done and legally you're good. Over there you have to be accepted into the family registry which is a long process with little chance of getting in. They've been keeping records in their registries for hundreds of years and they aren't very keen on allowing foreigners into them. Even the Koreans that have been there a long time aren't allowed in or naturalized.

Dating a Japanese girl isn't that hard. Marrying a Japanese girl and becoming part of their family is a different animal. A lot of people have a pipe dream about going over there and finding a wife but they get a big dose of reality if they attempt it. Hence why so many end up going to Thailand and other Asian mainland countries instead. Japan is probably the hardest country to immigrate to but you can stay there on a Visa for a long time if you're willing to work for peanuts teaching English.

I don't think Japan needs immigration to fix their population problem. They don't really have a population problem since they live on such a small island. Once the older generation finally dies off it'll open up jobs for the younger people and they'll start having children again. The hikikomori problem they're having is mainly a result of young people there losing hope and dropping out of society. There simply aren't any jobs for them because the older generation refuses to retire. Plus the work culture over there is soul crushing. You barely see your family if you have a "good job" and are expected to spend most of your time at work and attending after work drinking parties with your boss.

I do hope Japan opens back up for travel soon. I'd like to go before I'm too old to climb Mount Fuji.

 

[S.J.B.]

America is the only country I know of where you're allowed to hold public office while holding dual citizenship with another country.

This is the case in Canada as well.

 

[AutoTripper]

Japan looks fairly reasonable on paper for citizenship, but it’s not unless you are born there or born to parents who are Japanese citizens. Allegedly it’s getting easier because of the population decrease in Japan, but who knows?

A responsible moderator would mention that everyone is off-topic, but I am guilty myself.

I don't know anything about Japan but I wonder if they are as controlling of their citizens as China are because that would certainly account for their willingness to take in more residents.

(Edit- edited for silly typos.)

 

[HeadphonesandLSD]

This is the case in Canada as well.

Not surprised. It should be illegal. No one with dual citizenship should be allowed to hold office. You end up with situations like America giving billions of dollars to Israel every year. It's a major conflict of interest.

 

[JessFR]

Not surprised. It should be illegal. No one with dual citizenship should be allowed to hold office. You end up with situations like America giving billions of dollars to Israel every year. It's a major conflict of interest.

I get the logic, but in practice I think it's kinda silly. I mean, there's lots of people who have dual citizenship who only feel a loyalty to one state, and then you have people with single citizenship who feel zero loyalty to their state at all.

Then you have the problem that has cropped up a lot lately in Australia regarding this issue. Which is that a lot of people have dual citizenship and don't even know it. It never occurred to them. Why would it, if they've lived all their life in one country and only have dual citizenship due to obscure laws of other countries?

I think it's kinda silly. You can't legislate true loyalty. Loyalty can only be established through actions over time. Making someone renounce their dual citizenship isn't gonna suddenly sever any conflicting loyalties they may have had.

 

[Kara Kava]

Maybe they realized that it's actually not that easy to just go and get citizenship in another country. And that was before covid19 made an American passport worthless.

People say all the time they are moving here. Obviously we don't just let everyone in or we would have alot more then 37 million people .
We take in refugees but that's a different story. Getting Canadian citizen is hard . I get people almost daily offer me money to sponsor them.
I need a 90 day fiance Canadian edition.

 

[TheLoveBandit]

This seems kinda disingenuous.

The "live there for a while" part actually means permanent residency. Sooo, you gotta get that first.

That's why I included this part "Not really that tough, IMO, unless a country has tightened it's work visa criteria thereby making residency an issue."

I'm curious, though, if students studying abroad qualify as permanent residency for those years? Otherwise it is as you outline = having employment, which requires justification of why domestic citizens can't fill the position. Seems reasonable, though, doesn't it? Somewhere in all this the 'how to become a citizen' doesn't address refugees and their status or processes. But none of these "OMG I AM OUTTA HERE" claims are really in that category.

I think it's kinda silly. You can't legislate true loyalty. Loyalty can only be established through actions over time. Making someone renounce their dual citizenship isn't gonna suddenly sever any conflicting loyalties they may have had.

I think it's less about loyalty, and more about ensuring you are subjecting yourself to the local laws. You are giving up your 'get out of jail' card to go back to another country or claiming diplomatic immunity. It goes hand in hand with the history tests some require, or like Australia who simply expects you to live there awhile and become familiar with the history and laws. It pushes you to be making an informed decision, and commit to it. Doesn't change what's in your heart, only what jurisdiction you fall under. Just my take.

 

[TheLoveBandit]

A responsible moderator would mention that everyone is off-topic, but I am guilty myself.

I had the same thought as I continued with the derailment. Perhaps we require a split off?

 

[JessFR]

I think it's less about loyalty, and more about ensuring you are subjecting yourself to the local laws. You are giving up your 'get out of jail' card to go back to another country or claiming diplomatic immunity. It goes hand in hand with the history tests some require, or like Australia who simply expects you to live there awhile and become familiar with the history and laws. It pushes you to be making an informed decision, and commit to it. Doesn't change what's in your heart, only what jurisdiction you fall under. Just my take.

That argument would world way better if we hadn't spent the last several years showing very clearly how the laws don't actually apply to the president in any real way at all.

Seems like in practice just staying in office is a better get out of jail card than leaving it and running off.

Besides, diplomatic immunity doesn't apply to dual citizens. The only question is if one of your other citizenship is with a country that doesn't extradite its own citizens. In which case you could just make people renounce citizenship to those countries.

Otherwise, it should just be a regular extradition process like if you hadn't been a dual citizen at all.

 

[TheLoveBandit]

That argument would world way better if we hadn't spent the last several years showing very clearly how the laws don't actually apply to the president in any real way at all.

Lookatchu trying to be on topic and stuff. Damn.

As to your statement. We disagree, no big deal on my side.

Besides, diplomatic immunity doesn't apply to dual citizens. The only question is if one of your other citizenship is with a country that doesn't extradite its own citizens. In which case you could just make people renounce citizenship to those countries.

Otherwise, it should just be a regular extradition process like if you hadn't been a dual citizen at all.

Sounds like a voice with experience

I have no idea. Just guessing on my end. I've actually enjoyed, and continue to value, being an American.

 

[JessFR]

Lookatchu trying to be on topic and stuff. Damn.

It was an accident, I swear.

 

[Deru]

In my opinion, Barrett would be more of a factor for me to even consider the possibility, of the possibility, of the possibility, of leaving the USA versus another four years of Trump. I have faith our system’s checks and balances will catch up here, in one way or another, and the ebbs and flows will carry on just fine.

 

[Jabberwocky]

Japan looks fairly reasonable on paper for citizenship, but it’s not unless you are born there or born to parents who are Japanese citizens. Allegedly it’s getting easier because of the population decrease in Japan, but who knows?

A responsible moderator would mention that everyone is off-topic, but I am guilty myself.

Nope.
Japanese have seen what has happened in Europe and when there was a group of like 100(?) migrants arriving there, they held huge protests.
They don't want their culture degraded, they don't want to be called racist for preserving it and they respect their traditions, unlike many Eurocucks.

 

[SvnLyrBrto]

Because the topic came up before, and I promised to do some homework and haven't so far...

How to become a citizen of...

Canada



Australia (for only AUD285, call now and get a free set of Ginsu knives)



Some of the ever popular 'Socialist' nations for those liberals fleeing America for the good life

China



Denmark



Finland





And for comparison, requirements for American citizenship:




So aside from familial connections in China, everyone is pretty much the same = live there for awhile (legally), renounce previous citizenship, be functional with language, not have a criminal history, and in half the cases you need to take a test to show your knowledge of the country you are wishing to join. Not really that tough, IMO, unless a country has tightened it's work visa criteria thereby making residency an issue.

For Hollywood elites, I would expect money can make a path to citizenship fairly easily.

Does any of this even matter? I've hit the despair event horizon more than a few times these last few years myself and done similar research; taking small solace that I have a technical skillset that is in demand in much of the developed world, giving me an escape plan. But now? The orangutan-in-chief has alienated so much of the rest of the world, turned the US into such an international pariah, that there are very few countries left that will even let US citizens visit; much less immigrate. Of the countries I considered, only Ireland still welcomes US citizens. And we can all go fuck off and die as far as any of the countries on your list are concerned.

Of course, if November shakes out well; I'm sure Biden will be able to repair our international relations such that we might not forever be personas non grata... eventually. But there's so much domestic damage he will have to repair; I wonder when he'll even have a chance to get to fixing our international relations. And if he's successful at the former, escape may become much less urgent... unless, I guess, you want to preemptively get to safety in anticipation of the possibility of another disaster like 2016 through now. But if November goes poorly...