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Guy asks for clarification about COVID camps. Gets a non-answer. Asks again and has his mic cut.




From the linked document:
(c) Background
Under the current Emergency Order in Council, all travellers arriving in Canada must have a suitable
place to isolate or quarantine. Public Health Agency Canada (PHAC) is currently managing 11
designated quarantine sites (DQS) in 9 cities across Canada, with capacity to lodge up to 1600
travellers. PHAC regional staff are responsible for the management of 9 quarantine sites across
Canada, with logistics, cleaning, transportation, food and nursing services provided by external
providers. At this time, the DQS are being used to address the COVID-19 fourteen day quarantine
requirements for international travellers not having a suitable place to isolate. Over time, the use of the DQS may be temporarily discontinued until needed again by the Government of Canada or may be used for other requirements. In anticipation of a possible continued need for quarantine sites over the next 1 to 2 years given the COVID 19 pandemic, PHAC is considering having a third party service provider provide and manage the existing sites and all of the related services on its behalf. PHAC may also consider expanding its site footprint to other locations provided in Annex C, attached.
These sites are clearly intended for housing people coming in from other countries who are required to quarantine. Suggesting that "may be used for other requirements" means that Canadian citizens will be taken from their homes and detained in camps is just conspiratorial rabble-rousing. I'm not surprised they cut him off.
 
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From the linked document:

These sites are clearly intended for housing people coming in from other countries who are required to quarantine. Suggesting that "may be used for other requirements" means that Canadian citizens will be taken from their homes and detained in camps is just conspiratorial rabble-rousing. I'm not surprised they cut him off.

From the attached pdf...

Food and incidentals. Meals to be prepared/outsourced and delivered to the travellers
housed at sites – 3 times daily – and will need to accommodate a range of dietary needs (e.g.
diabetic, gluten free, vegetarian). Snacks and other incidental items (e.g. personal hygiene
items) will need to be provided as needed

It's just like auschwitz all over again! :D
 
Between anti-vaxxers and people like me who don’t want a prematurely released/insufficiently tested Operation Ward Speed vaccine, will anyone get it when it’s released?
Don’t get me wrong- I’m not anti-vaccine, but I want one that’s gone through rigorous testing for adverse reactions, etc.

Edit: I wonder what @Captain.Heroin thinks of the name Operation Warp Speed?
 
Well I probably wouldn't have a covid vaccine until it had finished proper stage 3 trials successfully. But one of those is likely to happen some time next year anyway.
 
I mean I gotta say, I'm nervous to try a first-gen vaccine, just because I know they're rushing this as fast as possible, and vaccines aren't necessarily harmless. Also I am on a biologic medication which states that I am not to take live vaccines. Don't know if this will be a live vaccine or not (I don't know much about vaccine technology). My fear is that it will be rushed and some safety measures will have corners cut, not to mention simply that long-term data will not be available until it's been, well, long-term.
 
My fear is that it will be rushed and some safety measures will have corners cut, not to mention simply that long-term data will not be available until it's been, well, long-term.
The Trump Administration is fighting with the FDA to rush and cut corners, exactly. That’s definitely frightening and in the long-run possibly bad for efforts to vaccinate a given number of people to generate herd immunity.
 
From the linked document:

These sites are clearly intended for housing people coming in from other countries who are required to quarantine. Suggesting that "may be used for other requirements" means that Canadian citizens will be taken from their homes and detained in camps is just conspiratorial rabble-rousing. I'm not surprised they cut him off.

Then why not answer his question directly? He's been trying to get a straight answer since June and I don't think that PDF is what he's quoting from. It should be a simple question to answer instead of the non-answer he was given. I'm seeing a lot of this "believe the science" talk lately. Good science can stand up to scrutiny. It doesn't rely on everyone that disagrees being censored.

I mean I gotta say, I'm nervous to try a first-gen vaccine, just because I know they're rushing this as fast as possible, and vaccines aren't necessarily harmless. Also I am on a biologic medication which states that I am not to take live vaccines. Don't know if this will be a live vaccine or not (I don't know much about vaccine technology). My fear is that it will be rushed and some safety measures will have corners cut, not to mention simply that long-term data will not be available until it's been, well, long-term.

Only an idiot would get the shot. If I take it it'll be years from now. I'm going to watch a lot of people get that injection before I even consider it. No one I know locally plans on taking it. They aren't stupid and after months of lying they don't trust anything coming out of Washington. Doesn't matter if it's coming out of Trump's mouth or the Congress. People don't even believe that hack Dr. Fauci anymore after what he did during the AIDS crisis resurfaced and was censored from the mainstream internet.
 
Edit: I wonder what @Captain.Heroin thinks of the name Operation Warp Speed?
Thanks for asking <3

It is wonderful, the only worthwhile thing we can throw money at that isn't fiscal relief other than public health care (which is such a black hole of lack of funds it would be dropping pennies in a very deep well) and quite frankly they just need to approve it even if it's in the 3rd stage.

Let people like me take a risk. I'll probably live anyways, getting me immune will save other lives. We have to get someone immune or we're all at risk and we're all still chickens running around with heads cut off.

I don't understand why "it has to be safe for everyone" the virus isn't safe for everyone. If we don't get some people vaccinated, people will continue to die.

Target approach of vaccine toward people who are face to face contact, workers etc. makes the most sense. US is not headed this direction we are going to target people with co-existing conditions/elderly who may already be able to socially isolate/not likely to come into contact with the virus.

From all the reading I've done I would not be afraid to take one of the vaccines that is in stage 3. They should be pushing it out like Russia is.

FDA rules allow cigarettes with hundreds of toxic chemicals to be sold every day, killing tons of people. Gov't making sure a vaccine is safe is LUDICROUS by comparison of what they allow to happen... it's like people feel safe when death is a cigarette and not an experimental vaccine. As if one way of dying is totally abhorrent but cigarette lung cancer death is TOTALLY ok and cool and peachy.

I don't get that. People are just afraid of the needle. That's all it is.
 
I'm nervous to try a first-gen vaccine
I'm way more nervous to face a novel viral pathogen to which I have no immunity (unless that is one of the lung plagues I got last year really was covid and not three separate instances of influenza) than I would be a vaccine side effect.

I understand people with pre-existing health conditions, etc. have a greater right to be worried/concerned. This may include you.

If you're otherwise healthy, and not elderly, I see no reason to fear any of the vaccines in phase 3 trials right now.

The mRNA vaccine that's being produced is essentially a part of the virus. I'll take a part of it in hopes of not contracting the entire disease versus the entire virus which is *thoroughly saturated* where I live.
 
Don't let the fact that president orange turd recovered in 3 days or the low infection fatality rates fool you into thinking this is not serious, because it is. I recently found out that someone I knew in college died from this disease. I didn't know him well, but I saw him here and there and some of my friends were very good friends with him. And he was around the same age as me (in his 20s) when he died from this. There are photos of him from literally weeks before this happened, and he seems fine. Just looks like his usual self. But then within a matter of days after catching this, he succumbed to the disease.
 
Don't let the fact that president orange turd recovered in 3 days or the low infection fatality rates fool you into thinking this is not serious, because it is. I recently found out that someone I knew in college died from this disease. I didn't know him well, but I saw him here and there and some of my friends were very good friends with him. And he was around the same age as me (in his 20s) when he died from this. There are photos of him from literally weeks before this happened, and he seems fine. Just looks like his usual self. But then within a matter of days after catching this, he succumbed to the disease.
It does happen absolutely. I read a story about a 28 year old doctor dying recently. It’s sad stuff what’s going on these days. This virus imperils the world, down and out.
 
I mean I gotta say, I'm nervous to try a first-gen vaccine, just because I know they're rushing this as fast as possible, and vaccines aren't necessarily harmless. Also I am on a biologic medication which states that I am not to take live vaccines. Don't know if this will be a live vaccine or not (I don't know much about vaccine technology). My fear is that it will be rushed and some safety measures will have corners cut, not to mention simply that long-term data will not be available until it's been, well, long-term.

Some are live and some aren't. Unfortunately some of the more promising vaccine candidates are indeed live vaccines.
 
Some are live and some aren't. Unfortunately some of the more promising vaccine candidates are indeed live vaccines.
I think the mRNA is highly promising too and will likely hit market first. People have a natural aversion to live vaccines.

The fact is there are some pathogens you cannot avoid in this world, a known immunization is much better than contacting certain pathogens in the wild. I wouldn't mind taking a live covid-19 vaccine.
 
I highly doubt any of these vaccines work yet and oxford withdrew theirs after extreme adverse effects in the testing populace. getting any experimental thing as a volunter comes at big risk and could literally make you retarded forever if it fucks you up. I will be at least waiting a while once they even get to the general populace to make sure they are safe before getting one. I still believe a functional vaccine is still going to be at least 2022 once we figure out more about this covid. A vaccine would probably require regular yearly boosters.
 
It might the NWO, the third temple lightens up we're all fucked. That's the foundation, boil the economy to the point where you kill the Pheonix and we gonna see many waves in the up-coming years. They could end the world rn but it's to early because something still smells and they nod their heads so who hasn't got a attic full of survival kits then be ready to die to the nuclear winter. You have to be ahead, remember that always two steps and 10m ahead.
 
I think the mRNA is highly promising too and will likely hit market first. People have a natural aversion to live vaccines.

The fact is there are some pathogens you cannot avoid in this world, a known immunization is much better than contacting certain pathogens in the wild. I wouldn't mind taking a live covid-19 vaccine.

Yeah but the risk from live vaccines isn't the same from person to person. For some of us the risk is too high. People on immuno suppressive and immunomodulatory drugs for instance.
 
Yeah but the risk from live vaccines isn't the same from person to person. For some of us the risk is too high. People on immuno suppressive and immunomodulatory drugs for instance.
Would you really prefer people like me to get the virus, spread it to people who can't get the vaccine?

This is why it is important to let HEALTHY people TAKE THE RISK. Otherwise UNHEALTHY people WILL GET SICK AND DIE. And it'll be doubly bad with influenza hitting during covid-19. This might not seem like a big deal if you don't live in America or a high covid-19 deathrate nation like Brazil where people are dropping like flies.


It can last up to 28 days in certain conditions; this still can't explain the law defying outbreak in China again despite DRACONIAN tracking measures they STILL could not find how it broke out again.

I can't imagine anyone pushing any level of resistance towards a vaccine for otherwise healthy people. Getting immunized protects others; the alternative risk is I'll be fine but other people will most certainly get ill/die and this will hurt the economy/society and world around me.
 
Would you really prefer people like me to get the virus, spread it to people who can't get the vaccine?

This is why it is important to let HEALTHY people TAKE THE RISK. Otherwise UNHEALTHY people WILL GET SICK AND DIE. And it'll be doubly bad with influenza hitting during covid-19. This might not seem like a big deal if you don't live in America or a high covid-19 deathrate nation like Brazil where people are dropping like flies.


It can last up to 28 days in certain conditions; this still can't explain the law defying outbreak in China again despite DRACONIAN tracking measures they STILL could not find how it broke out again.

I can't imagine anyone pushing any level of resistance towards a vaccine for otherwise healthy people. Getting immunized protects others; the alternative risk is I'll be fine but other people will most certainly get ill/die and this will hurt the economy/society and world around me.

Until a vaccine has complete testing it's hard to know that it's even that effective, or worse that it doesn't make getting the virus much worse.

A vaccine would be great, but it's gotta be fully tested first. Cause it's gonna be given to a LOT of people so it wouldn't have to have particularly common side effects to wind up doing more harm than good.
 
Until a vaccine has complete testing it's hard to know that it's even that effective, or worse that it doesn't make getting the virus much worse.

A vaccine would be great, but it's gotta be fully tested first. Cause it's gonna be given to a LOT of people so it wouldn't have to have particularly common side effects to wind up doing more harm than good.
So why aren't reports about vaccines backfiring happening in China, Russia?

It's because they are targeting who they give the vaccine to, i.e. otherwise healthy workers i.e. military personnel and other people who will invariably come in face to face contact with others.

It's because if it got to phase 3 it's good enough for me. I truly believe that. Someone had to sign up just to get it through the first two stages. I signed up to be in the early stages, I don't care. I would rather have a chance at beating this than getting exposed to it over and over again.

US has no other solution here because mask mandates don't work because cops are lazy, or people simply don't care. Imagine how many people don't use condoms, well know you know approximately who will and won't wear a condom.

Covid-19 can infect and kill someone rather rapidly which is terrifying vs. other pandemics we have had i.e. HIV, TB, Hep C where it is a slow, drawn out process.

I can't imagine why people think it needs FDA approval. Cigarettes have FDA approval, remember? They're not good for you. What it needs is general consensus from the scientific community about its benefits. I believe we already have enough to go off of given that it's in the third phase for otherwise healthy people going into rising covid-19 levels, and influenza during the winter with states DESPERATELY trying to re-open (i.e. interpret this as a positive feedback loop of exponentially growing cases).

I want something, now. I don't want to be stuck in the hallway of a hospital waiting for a bed, dying of the plague. We've come quite far scientifically with vaccines, I trust the mRNA vaccine, I wouldn't mind a live virus vaccine either but I think mRNA is the clear winner (I believe Moderna is making it).

There's a reason crappier countries i.e. China and Russia are handling this better and already are pushing out a vaccine, and it's not using their people like guinea pigs. They easily could have put massively large amounts of their own citizens on phase 1 trials but Russia got a vaccine approved with only 80 test subjects (which is indeed bad, needs more testing obviously).
 
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