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US Politics The 2020 Trump Presidency Thread
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Xorkoth
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Trump supporters: FUCKIN YEAH, TRUMP, WOO, MAGA! The only president in history who keeps his promises!!
The world: What promises has he kept? Why do you personally feel like he's great? Why do you feel like America is great right now? Do you honestly think his behavior is appropriate? What in god's name do you expect that you would think you would have done if Obama had acted even once how Trump acts on a daily basis?
Trump supporters: FUCK YOU LEFTIST! TRUMP IS #1! MAYBE IF I KEEP YELLING MAGA OVER AND OVER I CAN STOP MY MIND FROM ACTUALLY EXPLORING YOUR QUERY! CRITICAL THINKING IS THE NEW COVAIDS!
The world: What promises has he kept? Why do you personally feel like he's great? Why do you feel like America is great right now? Do you honestly think his behavior is appropriate? What in god's name do you expect that you would think you would have done if Obama had acted even once how Trump acts on a daily basis?
Trump supporters: FUCK YOU LEFTIST! TRUMP IS #1! MAYBE IF I KEEP YELLING MAGA OVER AND OVER I CAN STOP MY MIND FROM ACTUALLY EXPLORING YOUR QUERY! CRITICAL THINKING IS THE NEW COVAIDS!
smokeymcpot42088
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From an 'American' citizens point of view; it is embarrassing to be American if not at least a bit shameful. I know this parralel is drawn alot but I feel like im livineg in late 1930's Germany. I realize that Trump has made us a global laughing stock and turned a nation with at least decent supplies into the hotspot of the Global Pandemic. I know that last time AMERICAN CITIZENS DID NOT VOTE TRUMP IN.....THE ELECTORATE COLLEGE ELECTED TRUMP. Which leaves me feeling my vote will probably not count and we live in more of a representative oligarchy. I'll be 100 I feel like I live in the evil empire and fear the future....
TheLoveBandit
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does that include covid deaths in China, Russia, and India? Actual deaths...not the public policy statements to undercount or not report at all.
TheLoveBandit
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Aye, people with money will pay smarter people to minimize their tax payments under the law. It falls to guys like Biden, nearly a half century in politics, who created those tax laws and left those loopholes to close them lest everyone capable will minimize their taxes according to the law. Actually, that's the kicker here = people want to decry Trump only paid $750? How about 'what did he do that was illegal'? Because there isn't any....they looked, no links to Russia or anything else (even NYT admitted this in their article). Be upset as you wish about how little he paid....if it's according to the law, who should you really be angry at?
I think the biggest reason Trump tried to keep his taxes hidden is his ego (shocker, I know). He can't handle anyone seeing him as anything but the megabillionaire he presents himself as. Tax returns say that's not who he actually is.
To your statement, he's as smart as Bezos to work the law to his advantage. Does offsetting gains with business losses (for tax purposes?) make him a bad business man, or a smart one? You can't have it both ways anymore than Trump can. Let's FIFY your statement "If Trump loses millions in business he's a bad business man, but when he pays minimal taxes because of it he's evil?"
As stated, nobody has an ego like Trump, this is no surprise. Hence not wanting the taxes to be made public. As to 'paying their fair share', how about all the money he paid before being elected...then got refunded back because of tax laws Obama and Biden had in place? That's on Trump?
PriestTheyCalledHim
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Karma is from a previous lifetime, not a current one. The rest of your reply is ORANGE MAN BAD!!1
PriestTheyCalledHim
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There are black and Asian members of the proud boys group so they and the group are not 'white or European supremacists'.
I do not follow the proud boys but they are not as violent as Antifa or the racist hate group black lives matter.
i don't recall the source i used for those numbers. what source would you use for actual deaths?
i'm not trying to have it both ways. i think they both could pay more tax
if the tax code is such that a company with $280B in revenue (2019) pays little or no tax then the tax code needs attention.alasdair
JessFR
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Your vote may not count in the 1 for 1 way it probably should, but it does count.
So please for the love of God vote.
Trump supporters on the other hand, don't worry you're right he will win by a landslide so there's no need for you to bother voting, he's got plenty of votes.
indeed.
@TripSitterNZ are you ready to put your money where your mouth is and make a real wager? you made the prediction - are you willing to back it up?
alasdair
@TripSitterNZ are you ready to put your money where your mouth is and make a real wager? you made the prediction - are you willing to back it up?
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Xorkoth
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At this point, now that the truth is revealed, I'm not thinking he should have paid more taxes, I'm thinking he told a pile of massive lies to get elected, and probably even moreso so appease his own ego. One of the biggest selling points supporters claim is that he's a brilliant businessman who would run the country back into the green. But it turns out he's an even worse businessman than I thought, and was losing tens of millions of dollars a year and is now 400 million in the hole even despite the immense amounts of money he made at The Apprentice (which was the first time he was actually self-made in his life). It reveals that, rather than a genius businessman, he has decades and decades of a record of acquiring companies and ruining them, and then finding ways to borrow or make more money, and then making all that money disappear, too.
All this time I thought he was hiding his tax returns because he cheated on them, turns out he hid them because it totally demolishes the image of himself he portrays. People voted him in because they thought he'd run the country like his businesses. Turns out, we sure better hope he doesn't. And it's just another lie, a big lie.
But Orange Man IS bad, which is what many people have been saying all along. He's a charlatan, he lied to you to get your support, he lied to get into office, he's lied all throughout his presidency, he lied when he promised what he would accomplish, and he's been lying his entire career well before this presidency. He literally stated that he would only accept the outcome of the election if he wins. How this isn't bad to you is beyond me.
He's a bad president, and his supporters keep trying to dress him up as something he's not, when the truth is hanging right in front of everyone's face.
I heard a program on the radio today that reminds me of why so many actually do vote for him. They were interviewing Trump supporters after the debates and asking them if they still supported him. A few said no, some were all like MAGA WHOO. But some had more moderate responses, but still said they'd support him. One guy was like listen, I'm a man of faith, and the thing I consider above all else is abortion. I cannot even entertain the idea of voting for anyone who is pro-abortion rights. Do I think Trump is a good man? No, not really. Do I support a lot of what he's done? No. I support some things he's done. I felt embarrassed when I watched the debate, but I will vote for him, 100%, because he will support pro lifers like me. I think sometimes god chooses imperfect vessels to serve his perfect plan, and I think this is what is happening.
So... yeah. There are a lot of single-issue voters that the system has basically corralled into blindly voting on party lines, the Dems do it, too.
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thegreenhand
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That is the most glaring problem with voting in this country. You can't have a nuanced opinion. I think that gays should protect their drugs with guns. And that if you get hurt your healthcare shouldn't be a function of your income. Which party do i vote for? People pick one thing they really care about (eg. pro life, environment, taxation) and just go with that. SO fucked
JessFR
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Trump is a terrible businessman. That's been pretty clear for a long time.
I've been endorsing this theory for a few years now and I totally agree. Trump needs to feel like he's the richest guy around. Most people would probably feel pretty good about a billion dollars. But for trump that's not good enough. Not when there are so many far far richer people.
His whole self image is wrapped up in it. And he prioritizes his self image and ego above all else.
I've been endorsing this theory for a few years now and I totally agree. Trump needs to feel like he's the richest guy around. Most people would probably feel pretty good about a billion dollars. But for trump that's not good enough. Not when there are so many far far richer people.
His whole self image is wrapped up in it. And he prioritizes his self image and ego above all else.
JessFR
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Maybe we shouldn't be electing presidents based on legislative agendas. Given they have so little legislative power.
Term after term presidents promise legislative goals they inevitably can't meet because they don't actually have the power to enact them.
The system wasn't designed the way we seem to expect it to work in practice.
thegreenhand
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What do you think the alternative is? Not saying you're wrong I'm just wondering what your thoughts rae
Captain.Heroin
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You're speculating over people that may or may not have died or may or may not exist.
Why don't you dig up some evidence of the mass graves they did in Iran, I mean they're obviously manipulating numbers. China probably is too, and Brazil. I doubt the whole world is though; many nations, not just liberal/globalized ones took this seriously.
JessFR
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Well, there's a bunch of things you could do, but one big one if we put aside the pragmatic problems of changing the system like referendums and such.
Ranked voting. So you don't have to pick one person you're voting for, you can pick any number on order from 1 to whatever. If noone has a majority outright, the votes transfer from least voted upwards.
So you can vote first for your ideal candidate the one that probably won't get in, and your vote won't be lost when that happens.
That way you can actually have third party candidates win sometimes.
It certainly won't solve everything as people who live in countries with ranked voting will tell you, but I think it would certainly be a sizable improvement.
TheLoveBandit
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One can't use 'actual deaths' for countries that deliberately undercount or simply don't report at all.
I'd deduct the overall population from those countries and evaluate based on those who share actual numbers. You take out those massive populations, the US suddenly pops up much higher as a % of global (sans these countries) population, and normalizes (I suspect, haven't done the math honestly) our death rates. Specifically, you drop out those countries that don't report, and I fully suspect our % of global pop is much closer to that 20% death rate you cite. Then, I'd ask a second question about our COVID death numbers and if you don't agree they are inflated (looking at NY and NJ specifically).
Captain.Heroin
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TLB it's more likely US has highest death rate because China deliberately exported covid-19 infected citizens around the world but largely to US and THE "CHINA TRAVEL BAN" DID NOT WORK and this has been reported on (I can google for the link if you really need it; 1000's still made it into US AFTER the ban...)
In retaliation for Trump/US's stance on South China Sea (which is correct; China is fucking multiple countries in this part of the world re: rights), and the failed trade negotiations among his pathetic plea to Xi for help getting re-elected, which showed US weakness.
It's also really funny the "it's not that deadly" crowd suddenly think there's a bunch of hidden bodies in other countries. 8(
In retaliation for Trump/US's stance on South China Sea (which is correct; China is fucking multiple countries in this part of the world re: rights), and the failed trade negotiations among his pathetic plea to Xi for help getting re-elected, which showed US weakness.
It's also really funny the "it's not that deadly" crowd suddenly think there's a bunch of hidden bodies in other countries. 8(
JessFR
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The US has the highest death rate because American response to the virus has been laughably inept. Not helped by a leader who thinks the federal governments role during a crisis is to have states compete against each other. 
Other countries have done a faaar better job. Mainly for 2 reasons. 1. Their leaders aren't nearly as bad. 2. Their population hasn't convinced itself that it has a God given right to be a dumbass. Causing them to fight or ignore attempts to fight the virus.
Basically America's getting 100% what it deserves.
Other countries have done a faaar better job. Mainly for 2 reasons. 1. Their leaders aren't nearly as bad. 2. Their population hasn't convinced itself that it has a God given right to be a dumbass. Causing them to fight or ignore attempts to fight the virus.
Basically America's getting 100% what it deserves.
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