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Social Justice Black Lives Matter Discussion Thread

Cheshire_Kat said:
Let's hope that is the case, Mal; but the world being what it is, there are no assurances.
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I assume that there will be no charges or they'll be absurdly insignificant. That's why they're preparing for a state of emergency. If they were going to do the right thing, there wouldn't be any issues .
 
My understanding is that are two factions of bikers present in the city. It is entirely possible that they might be anticipating blow back from the anti-BLM bikers. We shall have to wait and see how it plays out.
 
Cheshire_Kat said:
My understanding is that are two factions of bikers present in the city. It is entirely possible that they might be anticipating a blow back from the anti-BLM bikers. We shall have to wait and see how it plays out.
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hmm interesting . Hopefully it's not as bad as they're expecting.
 
Kara Kava said:
Is that the girl who was shot in her own home for umm sleeping?
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My understanding, albeit second hand internet chatter, is there is a lot more to it than that. Such as, the cops were serving a warrant on an associate of hers presumed to be at her place. He wasn't there, but another guy was who opened fire on the cops and they returned the fire. The gentleman they were actually after was caught nearby shortly thereafter. Bottom line, she wasn't innocently sleeping in her bed, she was associating with bad people and got caught in a crossfire. But, bottom line, none of us were there, nor have the results of the investigation been released, so ...

mal3volent said:
issues charges against Taylor's murderers.
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Opinion. While I doubt there are charges on the cops, neither you nor I know the results of the investigation to be able to label them murderers or not.



D's said:
they are going to release the verdict this week, and from what they are preparing, it doesn't look good.
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I understood the City of L'ville settled the wrongful death claim, presumably in hopes of diffusing the situation. Obviously, the situation doesn't look diffused.
 
TheLoveBandit said:
Opinion. While I doubt there are charges on the cops, neither you nor I know the results of the investigation to be able to label them murderers or not.
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the facts are quite clear. They broke into here home while she was sleeping. The man had a right to defend his home and Breonna. The cops fired and killed and her.

second-degree murder is defined as murder that is not premeditated, or murder that is caused by the offender's reckless conduct that displays an obvious lack of concern for human life.
 
TheLoveBandit said:
I understood the City of L'ville settled the wrongful death claim, presumably in hopes of diffusing the situation. Obviously, the situation doesn't look diffused.
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They've said from the beginning that the civil case was only part of the solution. Getting some policies and laws on the books that will prevent this from happening again. The city government did their job and honored the commitment they made.

Daniel Cameron has refused to lift a finger because he's playing politics. He's one of Trump's little toys and he knows if he does anything at all to the cops that he will face backlash. A real man would do the right thing, charge the cops, and worry about his political future afterwards.
 
mal3volent said:
I assume that there will be no charges or they'll be absurdly insignificant. That's why they're preparing for a state of emergency. If they were going to do the right thing, there wouldn't be any issues .
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The state of emergency is sufficient to acknowledge this, otherwise there would be none. I noticed something similar with AG Kaul's announcement yesterday about the Blake incident in Kenosha, they're preparing to announce no charges, in my opinion, in both cases.
 
Cheshire_Kat said:
My understanding is that are two factions of bikers present in the city. It is entirely possible that they might be anticipating blow back from the anti-BLM bikers. We shall have to wait and see how it plays out.
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Interesting. Well... maybe my assumption was wrong then. Let's hope that's the case!
 
Xorkoth said:
So she lived with someone who had an arrest warrant... and this makes it less wrong that she got shot dead sleeping in her bed?
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I always love when anyone suggests that being engaged, associated with or around any type of criminal behavior is justification to be murdered by the police.
 
Xorkoth said:
So she lived with someone who had an arrest warrant... and this makes it less wrong that she got shot dead sleeping in her bed, because...?
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Even if she was sleeping alone, they'd say it was her fault for living in a bad neighborhood or some shit like that. It's disgusting. I wonder how many Bluelighters have slept in a bed with someone who had an arrest warrant? I guess they deserve to get shot as well.

Note: Neither Breonna Taylor or her boyfriend had an "arrest warrant" . There was a no knock search warrant for their address , based on suspected drug activity there. A friend of theirs was seen carrying a "package" out of their home, and a vehicle registered in Taylor's name was seen parked outside a suspected drug house.

Because of that, she was murdered.
 
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well my job just sent everyone home, and on the way home i noticed a couple of helicopters flying around. not to mention all the streets they have blocked with police. protesters are starting to show up. if i were a betting man, i'd say that they are going to dismiss the charges against the police that shot brianna taylor.
looks like they are prepping for a war or some wild shit.

edit: someone told me that she was the one that shot at police. now dunno if it's true or not, but a friend of mine said that she had like flashback on her hands, the same shit you get on the hands after you fire a gun.
 
TheLoveBandit said:
I'm sure if she was home alone, opened the door when the police announced themselves, she would have been shot point blank before she could say "Good evening, officers!" :rolleyes:
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It just rings of apologist attitude, what you said. If she, as I understand it from this thread, was in bed, it doesn't matter if the dude she lived with opened fire, she shouldn't have been shot. I realize shit happens and this was most likely a tragedy that was u intentional, but why can't our first reaction be "what a tragedy", rather than "there's no problem because she basically sorta deserved it"?

If she was shooting at the cops then that's a whole different matter, but that was not my impression of what happened. But admittedly, it could be, I'm not sure.
 
Xorkoth said:
but why can't our first reaction be "what a tragedy", rather than "there's no problem because she basically sorta deserved it"?
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What a tragedy. :|

Feel better?

I never said she 'basically sorta deserved it'. In fact, I never have said anyone deserved getting shot. If I did, quote me and I'll own it. What I have said is people put themselves into situations that are at a higher risk of this type of thing. You'll notice the vast, VAST majority of America doesn't find themselves in these situation, I think. If anyone wishes to argue she wasn't in harms way by sleeping in bed...I believe that was the defense, but not proven. Then again, I wasn't there and haven't seen the investigation report on who was where when the cops arrived.

I have much less sympathy for people who, by their own choices, put themselves in dangerous situations. I have much more sympathy for someone shot randomly by a stray bullet. None of them are 'deserved' but some are more of a tragedy than others in my book.

Also, my point was to state the cops didn't wake up and go to a random house and shoot some innocent. They were doing their job, going into a known dangerous situation, fired upon and returned fire. Would it be a tragedy if any of them had been murdered (to use mal's term) by the guy in the apt?
 
"If she was shooting at police "
It was dark and they were being shot at in a small room. They are not superheroes with lightning speed and perfect aim. Especially ambushed like that, bullets will fly everywhere. I would have shot everyone opposite my position

How the media spins things in Canada. No trouble to tell who pays their bills.
It's barely been reported and they leave out someone opening fire.
Completely changed my outlook. Sad either way
 
TheLoveBandit said:
I have much less sympathy for people who, by their own choices, put themselves in dangerous situations
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I think this severely over generalizes the deep, root cause issues here. There are a lot of people who live in communities where these environments are much more common, and when it comes to one's survival, sometimes the decisions aren't so clear cut. Drug dealing can be consider a legit entrepreneurial option, there are actual studies done that I could link if you're interested, no different than the neighborhood mechanic. I do not under any circumstances believe a good majority of the time they feel like they are unnecessarily putting themselves in a dangerous situation. In that regard, we're all putting ourselves in a dangerous situation by walking out the door every day to survive, with that logic.

TheLoveBandit said:
Would it be a tragedy if any of them had been murdered (to use mal's term) by the guy in the apt?
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Yes.
 
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