Social Justice Black Lives Matter Discussion Thread

[sewerslide.666mg]

I'm getting off this thread it giving me anxiety, fuck the police or keep it simple for u cop lovers 95% of pigs suck and should be off the force, I'm getting of this thread, ppl need to look at all perceptive and try find diffrent news sources ppl are being chicken feed bull shit news FTP ACAB

 

[Captain.Heroin]

Voluntary Human Extinction Movement - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Is this what you believe CH?

Largely. There is some terrible logic used by the people who started this movement which I would go on about, but a lot of what is stated there is true, i.e. that we are now incompatible with the ecosystem and as opposed to augmenting or destroying ourselves, we are destroying the ecosystem, potentially at the cost of all life on earth as we know it (or all life that ever will or could be on earth) by taking it down with us.

I think you do think human life matters a great deal or you wouldn't be doing what you do here.

From a Buddhist perspective reducing suffering/sadness in the world, even on the human side of things, is a beneficial thing. I also think helping others is a worthwhile and virtuous thing in itself.

I am convinced my beliefs do not have much impact on my behavior. I am a determinist, I am sure all my moves are planned out in advance and I don't have any volitional control over "me" anymore. My thoughts and beliefs are original but don't really have an impact on objective reality.

 

[phenethylo J]

fuck no just change it, fuck funding, they get enough of our tax money, my boss (at a reaustraunt) is selling signs black heart with a blue stripe in the middle and blue lights and blue ribbons to fund the police, I fucking hate my boss fucking stickler and the pigs

But "All Lives Matter" is obviously a daft thing to endorse, and really says nothing about anything at all.

The simple fact is that The United States of America has yet to reckon with the idea that all lives matter.

I've seen the case made that anyone that is not Black has no right to care about BLM. Obviously a whole heck of a lot people do care enough to make this a very lengthy thread topic.

Wouldn't it be great if people just came to terms with the fact that this time black folk and their supporters are not going to let indifference and entitlement rule the day? today? tomorrow, or the next day?

Plenty of the white people I grew up with were the farthest thing from privileged and also the massive amount of white protesters and support from several major corporations as well as media sources completely destroys the argument that white America doesn't care about blacks.


All these rich privileged over-paid athletes that support the cause should sign some pact to donate a very very large percentage of their paycheck to be directly distributed to poor homeless people of all races or at least just the African Americans. Maybe also give some of their vacation homes, cars, and massive collection of expensive cloths as well. I get that they do donate money but they could give back allot more. Instead of buying a new fancy sports car that they don't need they could just buy 20-30 normal cars for someone who needs it to drive to work so they don't have to take 1 1/2 bus ride to work.

 

[sewerslide.666mg]

Plenty of the white people I grew up with were the farthest thing from privileged and also the massive amount of white protesters and support from several major corporations as well as media sources completely destroys the argument that white America doesn't care about blacks.


All these rich privileged over-paid athletes that support the cause should sign some pact to donate a very very large percentage of their paycheck to be directly distributed to poor homeless people of all races or at least just the African Americans. Maybe also give some of their vacation homes, cars, and massive collection of expensive cloths as well. I get that they do donate money but they could give back allot more. Instead of buying a new fancy sports car that they don't need they could just buy 20-30 normal cars for someone who needs it to drive to work so they don't have to take 1 1/2 bus ride to work.

that's true,

 

[mal3volent]

Plenty of the white people I grew up with were the farthest thing from privileged and also the massive amount of white protesters and support from several major corporations as well as media sources completely destroys the argument that white America doesn't care about blacks.


All these rich privileged over-paid athletes that support the cause should sign some pact to donate a very very large percentage of their paycheck to be directly distributed to poor homeless people of all races or at least just the African Americans. Maybe also give some of their vacation homes, cars, and massive collection of expensive cloths as well. I get that they do donate money but they could give back allot more. Instead of buying a new fancy sports car that they don't need they could just buy 20-30 normal cars for someone who needs it to drive to work so they don't have to take 1 1/2 bus ride to work.

Most professional athletes aren't ultra rich. Some of them barely make it.

The ones who have tons of money have their own charities and donate millions per year . Look at LBJ or Durant, Neymar or Serena Williams. They also dedicate their lives to their craft and entertain countless fans. They aren't stuck in a high rise office somewhere thinking up ways of conning the poor out of every penny they have.

 

[JessFR]

The human race really cannot be trusted, we would just reproduce back to billions of people again. Everyone thinks they are something special and worthy of reproduction. Our intelligence has eliminated any impediment to allowing everyone to genetically litter the world with humans that we don't have room or resources for.

If you study how terribly we have devastated the ecosystem, and if you value the ecosystem in a relatively benign way, the solution is clear and it does not involve a human species. We are too selfish to want to admit that we are devastating the planet, so people go into total denial of ecological devastation like they do a total denial of covid-19.

For almost every terrible truth, there is a way for the human mind to buckle to keep its beautiful subjective world in tact. Some people crack along the way. A lot of people stay in denial.

I love ya man, but way I see it. This world, the ecosystem, all of it is to fundamentally serve human interests.

Don't get me wrong, I love animals, I love nature, but humans ultimately come first to me.

Why does human life matter? In some grand, absolute sense.. It probably doesn't. But human life matters to ME because I am human. For that reason I believe we must come first.

Of course wrecking the environment is wrecking it for humans too. We can't expect to survive if our environment is destroyed, so even with a self serving motivation destroying the environment is self defeating.

Question is if we will ultimately be smart enough to survive. Whether we do or we don't it'll be what we deserved. But I'm rooting for survival.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

Don't get me wrong, I love animals, I love nature, but humans ultimately come first to me.

In racist ideology i.e. white nationalism, the above applies except it would be "White humans" instead of "humans". I just do not see a reason to favor one species over another (humans) especially when they extraordinarily bad for the ecosystem in question. I also don't see a reason to favor one race over another (white people) especially when they have been extraordinarily bad for the society in question (America and its institutional racism).

I see them as going hand in hand, honestly.

 

[Deru]

For that reason I believe we must come first.

There is an intersection of this and our intelligence, and although we all feel this, we have to acknowledge that it is ultimately not good for us because of our in intelligence. If our species didn't have social constructs, then it would be fine to believe this just like all the other species do. Pros and cons...

 

[JessFR]

In racist ideology i.e. white nationalism, the above applies except it would be "White humans" instead of "humans". I just do not see a reason to favor one species over another (humans) especially when they extraordinarily bad for the ecosystem in question. I also don't see a reason to favor one race over another (white people) especially when they have been extraordinarily bad for the society in question (America and its institutional racism).

I see them as going hand in hand, honestly.

I'm afraid I don't really see this as a good argument.

Like, within human kind, I would also put my family ahead of pretty much everyone else. If I have to pick a side, those I count as my family are gonna come first. And I don't think that's at all unusual. Most half decent parents for instance will put their children ahead of most anyone else.

One could make the argument that that too is a similar kind of thing to prioritizing one race over another. And indeed it is as similar as putting the human race over other species.

Is a parent putting their child first wrong though? Even if most of us would agree that the racist version of this kind of group prioritization is?

Yes, humans do a lot of bad shit. An argument could be made that we don't deserve to survive even. But to me it doesn't matter. I'd still back my family even if I thought they were wrong, and I'll still back humanity when it really comes down to it.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

Like, within human kind, I would also put my family ahead of pretty much everyone else.

There's nothing wrong with doing that whatsoever.

One could make the argument that that too is a similar kind of thing to prioritizing one race over another. And indeed it is as similar as putting the human race over other species.

Yes you sure could, but is your family detrimental to ecology/society? That's for you to decide and quite frankly I'm going to assume that your family is just wonderful the way they are.

If you were Mary Trump and your uncle was Donald J. Trump I'm sure your opinion would be different about "putting family first".

 

[TheLoveBandit]

fuck no just change it, fuck funding, they get enough of our tax money, my boss (at a reaustraunt) is selling signs black heart with a blue stripe in the middle and blue lights and blue ribbons to fund the police, I fucking hate my boss fucking stickler and the pigs

Cool. I've been looking to get some of those to put up in my yard, and my neighbors yard, and ....

 

[TheLoveBandit]

Most professional athletes aren't ultra rich. Some of them barely make it.

For reference, I went searching for minimum wages across professional sports. This was one of the quick hits. Caveats are that it focuses on US atheletes and is from February 2019, though it reflects 2019 minimum salaries. Among the major sports, they indicate min wage is

NFL = $495k
MLB = $555k
NHL = $650k
NBA = $582k

In comparison, for 2019 the median American household (not individual, necessarily) was $63,688. It's going to be a tough argument to make anyone believe 'most professional athletes aren't ultra rich' when the lowest of the low is making 9x what the American family is bringing home. If any athlete is barely making it, it's due to their own poor financial management.

The ones who have tons of money have their own charities and donate millions per year

I believe this is wholly correct. And even some of the middle tier earners are strong charity donors, perhaps without the fanfare or acknowledgement. Many do a lot for the communities they currently live in or where they grew up.

 

[mal3volent]

It's going to be a tough argument to make anyone believe 'most professional athletes aren't ultra rich'

most of them aren't . You left out the practice squad numbers in the NFL. you also are only including the major leagues around the world, not the much smaller/minor ones most never heard of. Professional athlete means you play sports for a living, not that you have a huge contract in one of the big leagues.

I believe this is wholly correct. And even some of the middle tier earners are strong charity donors, perhaps without the fanfare or acknowledgement. Many do a lot for the communities they currently live in or where they grew up.

exactly. They give back a ton of their income and they work their asses off. That counts for something, IMO.

 

[TheLoveBandit]

most of them aren't . You left out the practice squad numbers in the NFL. you also are only including the major leagues around the world, not the much smaller/minor ones most never heard of. Professional athlete means you play sports for a living, not that you have a huge contract in one of the big leagues.

I've only included major US sports, not anywhere else.

Those on practice squads, and in lower divisions (I'm thinking EUFA) end up working additional jobs for income. I wasn't considering them a professional unless they've made it to the big league in their respective sport. You make a fair point, however, as I can think of friends I've had in the baseball farm league = living multiple to an apt of host-house in their minor league town with barely enough to get by in terms of income. But that's still only part of the year. The rest of the year, they work some other job to survive...so, then again, they aren't just playing sports for a living. We could, however extend this to the minor pro sports (ie, soccer in the US) where folks are making much less than the big4sports, but DO just play that sport for a living. I suppose I could go either way on this, so I should just stfu about now.

 

[sewerslide.666mg]

fuck NFL FTP fuck corporate fuck t- RUMP

 

[mal3volent]

 

[Kara Kava]

Is that the girl who was shot in her own home for umm sleeping?

 

[Ds]

yeah, and sadly the shit is going on like less then 2 miles from where i live. it's been pretty fucking crazy here in Louisville. there has been some serious rioting, had an army of thug blm bikers that came armed, and also some like trump supporters. so it's been fucking nuts.
the city has been barricading streets, blocking roads, parking dump trucks around the courthouse. not to mention the national guard has set up an operations center not far from all of this.
they are going to release the verdict this week, and from what they are preparing, it doesn't look good.

 

[Cheshire_Kat]

It's extremely hard to call back "the hounds of war" once they have been let loose. Two wrongs do not make a right.

Let's hope for both sides that the "peaceful protesters" can refrain from escalating the situation because this nation is very close to the brink of civil war and neither side will benefit.

 

[mal3volent]

It's extremely hard to call back "the hounds of war" once they have been let loose. Two wrongs do not make a right.

Let's hope for both sides that the "peaceful protesters" can refrain from escalating the situation because this nation is very close to the brink of civil war and neither side will benefit.

the best way to do that would be for Daniel Cameron to be a decent human being and issues charges against Taylor's murderers.