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Is there good in evil?

The mental picture you generate with your last, I enjoyed, as I know how to apply it to my way of thinking. Not so with much of what I read.

You try to separate Yin and Yang by giving them different wave lengths.

That is an impossibility to prove if I read reality right.

Regards
DL
I don't find it impossible. Then again, I do subscribe to the idea that wavelengths can alter mood or even be used by the individual to reach certain states of consciousness e.g deep meditation or lucidity. Some may even lead one to hallucinatory states

It isn't scientific but neither is meditation, so really if you don't believe it nobody can force you to
 
Cant have good without evil so therefore it must be good? Evil is merely there to show us the good, its why after years of suffering a small bit of real joy makes it all worth it
Evil has no reason to exist and neither does good. Personally I have a more difficult time understanding what good actually means. I go with honorable, noble and reliable. But the other definitions I've seen don't make sense and don't particularly strike me as being good qualities

One person may say they make sacrifices as if that's a good thing. Another sacrifices living creatures. It makes no impression on me. Just making a point ;)
 
Evil has no reason to exist and neither does good. Personally I have a more difficult time understanding what good actually means. I go with honorable, noble and reliable. But the other definitions I've seen don't make sense and don't particularly strike me as being good qualities

One person may say they make sacrifices as if that's a good thing. Another sacrifices living creatures. It makes no impression on me. Just making a point ;)
Well when you say you go with "honorable, noble and reliable " over good does that not imply that you see being honorable, noble and reliable as "good"? Maybe we cant define good that clearly but I think we know that those things you mentioned are good, so maybe good is a collection of things? For me its sort of like fighting the urge to make the world all about me and my current temporary desires, and keeping everyone's interests in mind, I think we all have urges to do things sometimes we know we shouldnt and that is what I would call evil.

If I were for example to go hard into drug addiction I sort of see that as an evil, because I have the foreknowledge to prevent a problem but an internal drive would be causing me to do the "wrong" or "evil" thing. So yea I think you can be evil to yourself too
 
@Branggen Not really. I mean, they're good traits in that they encourage survival. Maybe even well-being. I can't definitively say that they're good or what makes a person good, but I think they do so that's all that matters. Hopefully I'm making sense, hehe
 
So, since good and evil are relative terms, I will start with MY understanding of the terms. To me, that which is "good" is that which flows, that which works, that which is in harmony. That which is "evil" is that which produces rotten fruit, disharmony, that which is the opposite of the "best path".

Now, in a very subjective sense, good and evil DO exist....because as a human, if I go and murder my next door neighbor, that is evil. Why is it evil? Because I have cut down someone's life in the physical form, robbing them of their freedom to live accordingly. I have unnaturally taken a life, before its time. I have plucked a fruit before it was ripe, so to speak. That would be considered relatively evil, to my subjective self.

However, in the GRAND SCHEME of things, evil is merely the other side of good. In a reality where anything is possible, you have spectrums. Light has a spectrum. Sound has a spectrum. Physical reality has a spectrum. Good and Evil can be seen as existing on a spectrum of free will, in a universe of conscious beings.

Since we have free will - we can either do an action that is harmful, or an action that is beneficial. In order for free will to exist, both options must be available. What I am trying to convey, is that evil is merely the opposite end of the spectrum of free will from good.

Ultimately, there is no good or evil. There is the One Source of all Things, and from that source emanates an infinite fractal matrix of oscillating dimensions of light and energy. When you look at a painting or a work of art, can you point out which parts of the artwork are evil, and which are good? No. You simply see the work of art as it is.

If you see that source as good, you are seeing the evil in good, as good. Right?

Regards
DL
 
@Branggen Not really. I mean, they're good traits in that they encourage survival. Maybe even well-being. I can't definitively say that they're good or what makes a person good, but I think they do so that's all that matters. Hopefully I'm making sense, hehe

Think duality.

Regards
DL
 
Is calling something nothing bad?

Is turning something into nothing evil?

What about turning living beings into nothing?

Lucifer? Probably .. but we cant say we rebelled for nothing?

Projecting out of heaven just for curiosity purposes..

Your curiosity is part of who you are.
 
Is calling something nothing bad?

Is turning something into nothing evil?

What about turning living beings into nothing?

Lucifer? Probably .. but we cant say we rebelled for nothing?

Projecting out of heaven just for curiosity purposes..

Your curiosity is part of who you are.

You misunderstood my reference.

I just meant that both sides of the issues at hand should be looked at.

Regards
DL
 
Now I ask.. why people get curious about doing evil things?

So as to know how to reply to those who do not know when they are doing evil. It gives us analogies that we pass on to try to make lives better.

These analogies and scenarios can be useful.

I E.
I was curious about the morality of using Jesus as a scapegoat and used a medieval scenario of a King beating the innocent son or slave instead of the guilty son to show how immoral it was.

I was curious about a good god and read a bible that showed an evil one.

Regards
DL
 
What would duality mean here then? That evil promotes death? I don't follow

Our friend was saying something was good and I was reminding him that all things have a good and a bad side.

We are all living in a dualistic universe and should always try to see the good and the evil in all concepts.

Regards
DL
 
Our friend was saying something was good and I was reminding him that all things have a good and a bad side.

We are all living in a dualistic universe and should always try to see the good and the evil in all concepts.

Regards
DL
I don't believe that. That'd imply that there are no pure concepts, no pure dimensions or other places to go when we leave this earth. I don't see that as being plausible even if I don't believe in anything spiritual
 
I don't believe that. That'd imply that there are no pure concepts, no pure dimensions or other places to go when we leave this earth. I don't see that as being plausible even if I don't believe in anything spiritual

Belief is irrelevant if you cannot name something that does not have a dualistic nature.

I even opened an O.P. looking for exceptions and no one came up with anything.

Take your view of heaven as only good. Many think of a mind controlling heaven would be hell.

Some think the celestial geocidal tyrant, Yahweh, would be hard to take for eternity.

Regards
DL
 
Belief is irrelevant if you cannot name something that does not have a dualistic nature.

I even opened an O.P. looking for exceptions and no one came up with anything.

Take your view of heaven as only good. Many think of a mind controlling heaven would be hell.

Some think the celestial geocidal tyrant, Yahweh, would be hard to take for eternity.

Regards
DL
Well this is tricky for me, since I don't believe in God but if I had to envision a dimension called Heaven I'd imagine that it's a place not defined by good or bad because it's on another plane or frequency that doesn't even recognize these phenomena. Therefore, they don't exist. Because maybe existence itself is only defined by being in Heaven and not living in the flesh or on the earth

I can't imagine a place where somebody else is there if I've never met them. Although I have (and you may laugh) seen my ancestors, specific ones too in a place that looked remarkably like the earth except it appeared to have no problems; like insects or disease. Nobody was idealized but they looked healthful and without worry, doing yard work
 
Well this is tricky for me, since I don't believe in God but if I had to envision a dimension called Heaven I'd imagine that it's a place not defined by good or bad because it's on another plane or frequency that doesn't even recognize these phenomena. Therefore, they don't exist. Because maybe existence itself is only defined by being in Heaven and not living in the flesh or on the earth

I can't imagine a place where somebody else is there if I've never met them. Although I have (and you may laugh) seen my ancestors, specific ones too in a place that looked remarkably like the earth except it appeared to have no problems; like insects or disease. Nobody was idealized but they looked healthful and without worry, doing yard work

You are right in expecting my laughter.

I cannot see a god wasting a revelation that is so benign, on you when there are starving children around.

If you were god, would you chat with people and show them what makes people laugh when explaining it, or would you save lives?

Regards
DL
 
I think gods can make people laugh and think about things. I just don't buy that they interact with us in the same realm. I mean if they did, it might kill us. Now that'd be a laugh, for them of course
 
I think gods can make people laugh and think about things. I just don't buy that they interact with us in the same realm. I mean if they did, it might kill us.

Not likely, and I don't know of who you have heard dying due to contact. It sounds rather silly though.

Regards
DL
 
But," he said, "you cannot see my face, for no one may see me and live." - Exodus 33:20

You believe such idiocy?

Do you also believe in the Medusa? If not, why not?

One is just as likely to exist as the other, if one is to believe in supernatural stupid thinking.

Regards
DL
 
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