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Social Justice Jacob Blake shot seven times by white cop, paralyzed, may never walk again.

mal3volent said:
Don't most business owners have insurance ? :unsure:

Can't bring someone back from the dead.
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Business owners are innocent collateral damage to a mob out of control.

Dead suspect is both an active participant influencing the situation as well as subject to an out of control individual cop.

Personal responsibility?
 
I think there is the issue that a lot of business owners' insurance plans don't cover damage due to riots, but I'm not sure exactly how the nuances of the coverage works.

But at the end of the day, to deal with property damage, it should never be escalated to homicide.

Don't get me wrong, it must be devasting watching your livelihood and something you've worked so hard for to be destroyed, but it just doesn't necessitate death in return.
 
mal3volent said:
Don't most business owners have insurance ? :unsure:

Can't bring someone back from the dead.
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Insurance policies normally have a deductible. At the very least the shop owner has to clean up their trashed store which isn't fair to them.

Will also likely lead to higher prices for products to make up for lost revenue/losses, which also isn't fair to anyone who shops there or the owners.
 
Deru said:
But at the end of the day, to deal with property damage, it should never be escalated to homicide.
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The state won't help you when the riots break out, there won't be anyone to call even with a fully funded police force.

I think it's warranted but you should be defending your own property, not just because you're a 17 year old nazi with a gun.
 
Captain.Heroin said:
The state won't help you when the riots break out, there won't be anyone to call even with a fully funded police force.

I think it's warranted but you should be defending your own property, not just because you're a 17 year old nazi with a gun.
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I think it's futile and completely ignorant these individuals believe they can protect their property form a mob of extremely angry rioters. It's never going to end well, either for the person defending property or the person rioting. Someone is going to unnecessarily get hurt, and the property damage is going to happen regardless. We're not talking about a small group to defend against, we're talking about 100s and 100s, sometimes more than 1000s, of severely agitated and angry people. The property is going to be damaged regardless, so the attempts to defend become irrational and only incite additional, unnecessary violence and harm to human life.
 
Deru said:
I think it's futile and completely ignorant these individuals believe they can protect their property form a mob of extremely angry rioters. It's never going to end well, either for the person defending property or the person rioting. Someone is going to unnecessarily get hurt, and the property damage is going to happen regardless. We're not talking about a small group to defend against, we're talking about 100s and 100s, sometimes more than 1000s, of severely agitated and angry people. The property is going to be damaged regardless, so the attempts to defend become irrational and only incite additional, unnecessary violence and harm to human life.
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"Your efforts are futile so don't try" would be a better message aimed at the protesters. You'd think they'd learn about the 1960's, the grand failures of the civil rights act, etc. but nope. A lot of protesters think this is some new phenomena, that it is coming to a climax now.

We are revisiting domestic issues because Russia wants to get away with war and conspiring to destabilize the US and the far left are more than happy to let it happen while blaming Trump for Russia collusion. The protesters are just as complicit in the Russian conspiracy as Trump is.
 
Captain.Heroin said:
"Your efforts are futile so don't try" would be a better message aimed at the protesters. You'd think they'd learn about the 1960's, the grand failures of the civil rights act, etc. but nope. A lot of protesters think this is some new phenomena, that it is coming to a climax now.
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I think this kind of serves the core of it all. Are the protests futile, in the long run? I don't know the answer to that, and you bring up some valid points about our history. I don't necessarily know if this will be the "be all, end all" to racism in this country, for sure. I would love to see it, and maybe this will achieve it, I can hope, anyways. But, what I do think is much more likely is there will be incremental improvements, and we have to start somewhere. If we don't demand change, we will never make progress, and for a species that has adapted to live on all seven continents and walked on the moon, we will never stop trying to adapt and become better.
 
Deru said:
I think this kind of serves the core of it all. Are the protests futile, in the long run? I don't know the answer to that, and you bring up some valid points about our history. I don't necessarily know if this will be the "be all, end all" to racism in this country, for sure. I would love to see it, and maybe this will achieve it, I can hope, anyways. But, what I do think is much more likely is there will be incremental improvements, and we have to start somewhere. If we don't demand change, we will never make progress, and for a species that has adapted to live on all seven continents and walked on the moon, we will never stop trying to adapt and become better.
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You do indeed know the answer. Look at the Civil Rights Act, ask yourself if it held up well over time. A lot of people think it did but are still protesting (they are lying to themselves). Some think it worked well. Others think it didn't work well (and are alright with the racial division or abhor it, but still think CRA was a failure/had its pitfalls).

This isn't the first "Racial revolution" in America.

Instead of complaining it's way easier to vote (voter turn out was really bad in 2016, especially among African Americans).

Voting one day a few years ago would have saved many people tons of days protesting.
 
Deru said:
for a species that has adapted to live on all seven continents and walked on the moon, we will never stop trying to adapt and become better.
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I am going to reinterpret your message. If we are so intelligent that we have adapted to live on seven continents and walked on the moon, then it is unlikely racism is ever going away. How did we become so intelligent/advanced and still have racism in our species? Genesis went on in an interview about what started xenophobia in a genetic sense. I would link it here but the belief we can evolve beyond that in a world where we are already so developed does not make sense to me.

I don't philosophize about "why are we not perfect"; instead I assume and understand that we are not and try to operate knowing this and accounting for it as I go along.

We can't even all get behind saving Planet Earth and not ecologically destroying our collective future, and that of all life known to exist in the universe. Somehow, race relations, mail in voting, Trump's tax returns, what he may or may not have said about veterans... is more important to the average American.

Point in case, multiple ongoing genocides across China, etc. and the world does nothing. Why would this be any different?
 
Excellent points. Judgement is an evolutionary biological mechanism, so that, itself, is impossible to eliminate. Social constructs typically deal with the resultant behavior of things such as these, to become "well-adjusted" versus "anti-social". We have dealt well, between religion and laws, with dealing with things like killing each other, where our biological instincts cause outright physical harm to others. We have not done as well with dealing it on more nuanced levels, yet. Homo sapiens will never stop judging, but we can modify the resultant behavior to deal with these basic biological instincts we retain. I don't think you're giving enough credit to truly how capable we are as a species to adapt and modify these behaviors, there just needs to be a majority of the community who wants the change, for the investment in time and resources to be given to consider how to do it. It will never be perfect, nothing in a social construct is, but it can be better.
 
Soso78 said:
So what!! I own a business and have insurance but that don’t mean someone should be able to damage my stuff.
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of course not, but lots of people including the media always juxtapose people dying with building on fire or getting looted. they aren't equal. Killing is worse.
 
mal3volent said:
of course not, but lots of people including the media always juxtapose people dying with building on fire or getting looted. they aren't equal. Killing is worse.
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Juxtapose? Wtf is thst?
Don’t go setting fire to someone’s building or robbing them and you have less chance of getting shot. It’s pretty simple.
 
Soso78 said:
That ridiculous, the shop owners getting robbed didn’t kill anyone.
it’s just scumbags out on the rob.
shopkeeper=innocent member of society
Looter=thieving scumbag
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yeah but the business owners largely support the murderous piggies.
 
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