Social Justice Black Lives Matter Discussion Thread

[Deru]

What is it with you people not reading but suggesting i said....?

I'll reiterate what I said earlier, I was asking you direct questions to understand exactly what you meant, because it was not 100% clear and also to open up a dialogue and discussion. I never made a statement mischaractering your words.

I do agree with you, to the point you were making, it would be nice to have others', besides only White people's, viewpoints on the topic.

 

[Kara Kava]

I'll reiterate what I said earlier, I was asking you direct questions to understand exactly what you meant, because it was not 100% clear and also to open up a dialogue and discussion. I never made a statement mischaractering your words.

I do agree with you, to the point you were making, it would be nice to have others', besides only White people's, viewpoints on the topic.

No you were implying i was suggesting things that I wasn't.
And yes I notice even with my culture some white folks are offended by things that don't offend my people so no stretch to think it happens with black people

 

[Kara Kava]

The point of this thread isn't bickering with one other person, please contribute to the topic at hand or take the drama somewhere else.

Seriously? I get a warning for not wanting people putting words in my mouth or letting me explain myself?
But the people you agree with get nothing said? I made a post and 2 people started the nit picking and you warn me?

 

[Kara Kava]

Maybe you guys don't understand what I'm saying because you never had another race(white ) tell you suddenly something is bothering you and you should be mad when you're not.
So yes it is on topic to wonder if this thread and the post of blm are from the black community or the white.
You can't possibly understand but why jump on everything i say?
1/2 the demands were thought of by white people and I wanted to know a black person's opinion, since it's about them afterall
I will just shut up and wait until I'm told what I should be offended by like a good little minority
Make no wonder your country is in a mess when minorities are told to shut it for asking questions

 

[Deru]

No you were implying i was suggesting things that I wasn't.

I'm sorry if that's how you understand what I asked you to be, and maybe I could have worded the questions less direct, but a question to you allows you to respond with an answer. There is a large difference between making a statement implying something and a question trying to understand what your own statements mean. Otherwise, none of us would ever be able to ask questions for fear of exactly what you're implying, right now - and that would severely limit communication and the ability to learn from one another.

And yes I notice even with my culture some white folks are offended by things that don't offend my people so no stretch to think it happens with black people

Maybe you guys don't understand what I'm saying because you never had another race(white ) tell you suddenly something is bothering you and you should be mad when you're not.

I can't even imagine how frustrating that would be, and it's a very valid point to bring to the discussion, for sure.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

you warn me?

I asked you nicely, I didn't issue a warning.

It's not that hard to remain on topic.

 

[novaveritas]

in a delicious irony, the thread gets derailed by a comment about bickering and degrades into bickering about whether people are bickering....
I appreciate the perspective.

we are all lost.

 

[sewerslide.666mg]

" no more doughnut shops
might make the hurting stop..."

 

[Deru]

And just like that, systemic racism will have to officially exist, according to the words from Mr. Trump, himself, on recorded audio. Someone might want to tell Mr. Barr the narrative has changed. No more denials, now, please and thank you.

Trump said he feels no responsibility to understand anger of Black Americans, Woodward book says

When asked if he had a responsibility to understand the "anger and pain" felt by Black Americans, Trump said, "No, I don't feel that at all," according to Bob Woodward.

www.nbcnews.com

Trump said he feels no responsibility to understand anger of Black Americans, Woodward book says
When asked if he had a responsibility to understand the "anger and pain" felt by Black Americans, Trump said, "No, I don't feel that at all," according to Bob Woodward.

Sept. 9, 2020, 3:56 PM EDT
By Janelle Griffith
President Donald Trump told the journalist Bob Woodward that he does not believe that because of his privileged upbringing he has a responsibility to understand the "anger and pain" felt by Black Americans, according to a new book by Woodward.

The Washington Post, where Woodward is associate editor, reported excerpts of the book, "Rage," on Wednesday and posted audio clips on its website.

The book, set for release on Tuesday, is based in part on 18 on-the-record interviews Woodward conducted with Trump from December to July.

During a conversation on June 19, Woodward, whose father was a lawyer and judge in Illinois, pointed out that he and Trump were white and privileged, and asked if that affected his thinking.

"Do you have any sense that that privilege has isolated and put you in a cave to a certain extent, as it put me and I think lots of white privileged people in a cave and that we have to work our way out of it to understand the anger and the pain, particularly, Black people feel in this country?" Woodward asked.

"No," Trump responded. "You really drank the Kool-Aid, didn't you? Just listen to you. Wow. No, I don't feel that at all."

Woodward described Trump's voice as mocking and incredulous, according to the Post.

Woodward pressed Trump to understand the plight of Black Americans who have long endured discrimination and unequal treatment and Trump claimed, as he has publicly, that he has done more for Black people than any president other than Abraham Lincoln, the Post reported.

Days later, on June 22, Woodward asked Trump whether he thinks there is "systemic or institutional racism in this country."

"Well, I think there is everywhere," Trump said, according to an audio clip. "I think probably less here than most places. Or less here than many places."

"OK. But is it here? In a way that it has an impact on peoples' lives?" Woodward asked.

"I think it is. And it's unfortunate. But I think it is," Trump responded.

In a separate conversation about race, on July 8, Trump complained about his lack of support among Black voters, according to the Post.

"I've done a tremendous amount for the Black community," he told Woodward. "And, honestly, I'm not feeling any love."

Trump shared "visceral reactions" with Woodward about prominent Democrats of color, including Sen. Kamala Harris, Joe Biden's running mate, and Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, the first-term progressive from New York, the Post reported.

After seeing a shot of Harris watching him deliver his State of the Union address, Trump said: "Hate! See the hate! See the hate!" The Post said he had the same reaction after Ocasio-Cortez appeared in the frame.

Trump told Woodward he did not believe former President Barack Obama was smart, according to the Post.

"I think he's highly overrated. And I don't think he’s a great speaker,” Trump told Woodward, adding that Korean leader Kim Jong Un thought Obama was "an a--hole."

Allow me to quote it, specifically, so as not to cause any confusion:

Days later, on June 22, Woodward asked Trump whether he thinks there is "systemic or institutional racism in this country."

"Well, I think there is everywhere," Trump said, according to an audio clip. "I think probably less here than most places. Or less here than many places."

"OK. But is it here? In a way that it has an impact on peoples' lives?" Woodward asked.

"I think it is. And it's unfortunate. But I think it is," Trump responded.

Huh... Imagine that! Glad we finally got that cleared up.

 

[Alberth]

something about BLM just makes me clinch and raise my fist in solidarity ^^

 

[Soso78]

I asked you nicely, I didn't issue a warning.

It's not that hard to remain on topic.

If there was any bickering it takes 2. Can guarantee the other person didn’t get a warning though.

 

[Deru]

If there was any bickering it takes 2. Can guarantee the other person didn’t get a warning though.

To whom are you referring to here?

No one has been warned, at all.

 

[Soso78]

To whom are you referring to here?

No one has been warned, at all.

no not u.
Bickering takes 2 though

 

[nuttynutskin]

And just like that, systemic racism will have to officially exist, according to the words from Mr. Trump, himself, on recorded audio. Someone might want to tell Mr. Barr the narrative has changed. No more denials, now, please and thank you.

Trump said he feels no responsibility to understand anger of Black Americans, Woodward book says

When asked if he had a responsibility to understand the "anger and pain" felt by Black Americans, Trump said, "No, I don't feel that at all," according to Bob Woodward.

www.nbcnews.com

Allow me to quote it, specifically, so as not to cause any confusion:




Huh... Imagine that! Glad we finally got that cleared up.

So he doesn't buy into white guilt and white privilege? Who the hell cares?

And just like that, systemic racism will have to officially exist, according to the words from Mr. Trump, himself, on recorded audio. Someone might want to tell Mr. Barr the narrative has changed. No more denials, now, please and thank you.

Trump said he feels no responsibility to understand anger of Black Americans, Woodward book says

When asked if he had a responsibility to understand the "anger and pain" felt by Black Americans, Trump said, "No, I don't feel that at all," according to Bob Woodward.

www.nbcnews.com

Allow me to quote it, specifically, so as not to cause any confusion:




Huh... Imagine that! Glad we finally got that cleared up.

So you're believing Trump?

 

[Deru]

So he doesn't buy into white guilt and white privilege? Who the hell cares?

If you'll notice, I quoted the portion relevant specifically separate, to avoid this

So you're believing Trump?

I don't believe a word out of his mouth, but even a broken clock is right twice per day. What's more important, here, is the people all across the country who have been hiding behind or just flat out believe Trump and Barr's narrative that systemic racism doesn't exist, just got thrown under the bus by Trump. Trump gaslights everyone, tells the truth, gets outed and everyone is exposed, including Barr himself. I would imagine Barr and McEnany regret some of their recent statements recently keeping up with the obviously false narrative.

 

[JessFR]

And just like that, systemic racism will have to officially exist, according to the words from Mr. Trump, himself, on recorded audio. Someone might want to tell Mr. Barr the narrative has changed. No more denials, now, please and thank you.

Trump said he feels no responsibility to understand anger of Black Americans, Woodward book says

When asked if he had a responsibility to understand the "anger and pain" felt by Black Americans, Trump said, "No, I don't feel that at all," according to Bob Woodward.

www.nbcnews.com

Allow me to quote it, specifically, so as not to cause any confusion:




Huh... Imagine that! Glad we finally got that cleared up.

Trump wouldn't even accept responsibility for the increase in calls to poison control over the idiot covid19 comments he's made. So I wouldn't expect him to accept responsibility over something like this.

 

[What 23]

I am glad that CRT has been called into question. I don't really want to make another thread about it and get myself into trouble.

I tend to think, in ways, the "right" or conservatives dismiss certain critical thought - many are perhaps rooted in their views, perhaps with good reason -- others, are perhaps just feeling this, identifying with some things the same, anyway, but I see that they have a big blindness, at times. I also think the left is often, not rooted at all. Haywire. Not thinking about things in certain ways, too (but differently).

I cannot say that I don't understand or identify with certain things that I have seen associated with Critical Race Theory. However, I definitely do not believe the people alive today, or yesterday, have applied it in a humane and sensible manner; they have been militant, and emotional, and really actually quite baseless. Why? From the start the norm has never been peace between different identities of people. They form different groups/societies, in many respects. There is a lot of "intersection" - not to try to identify to intersectionality, but perhaps I'd get it. But there is still separation.

But this CRT seems to apply certain burdens, and privileges, and expectations to groups, based on skin color, also. How do we navigate that social atmosphere/environment? Whiteness is "inconvenient", in this. White people become trapped, beholden, enslaved. You have people on the far left literally calling for it's extermination. In multiple different ways, they do.

That guy was pretty upset when Trump pulled the plug on CRT in the federal government.

I'm sorry but these people just do not understand human nature. These people "leading". And our expectations of the human race, all these different people(s), have been far fetched.

The expectation that all of these different peoples can coexist in perfect harmony, is quackery. That word wasn't planned. I don't see how it could ever be expected, based on behavior of life itself. I'm not saying it will always be, always bad. Never 'good', or that good shouldn't exist between (it should). But this is not the way.

I am happy Trump brought it into the spotlight.

There's something about guilt-based resource extraction... empathy, narcissistic people

 

[Deru]

The expectation that all of these different peoples can coexist in perfect harmony, is quackery.

I'm sure near-sighted human beings suggested this same concept when Abraham claimed God appeared to him and the resultant religion. Or when countless before him used a religion to get homo sapiens to exist together, in harmony, working together for the greater good of our species.

It will never be perfect, to think otherwise is irrational, homo sapiens are imperfect and so are their social constructs.

It can be better.

Drawing a line in the sand because of what you know we are, is giving up and allowing fear and paranoia to control you, in my opinion, and considering our species, completely futile.

At one point our species was a lot worse than we are today, and we have improved on that. For instance, murder. People still murder people all the time, but was it futile to make a law against it?

We have to be intelligent on how we want to try to shape human behavior, as literally, that's all religion, laws, polices, rules, etc. accomplish. They will never be absolute or make every single individual's behavior change, the goal is always the majority to abide.

Also, unless 138,000,000 White males and 143,000,000 White females become sterile, I wouldn't let the paranoia worry you too much about the White race dieing off in the US.

 

[Ballz_Trippington]

I always thought it should be All Lives Matter, because black lives do matter but white, latino, asian etc lives also matter just as much.

Only in an age of madness would someone be called racist for proclaiming that all human life is equally precious and worthy of equal treatment which is basically what the term "all lives matter" is paraphrasing.
A lot of my younger friends would never be caught dead saying "all lives matter" in public because they perceive it as somehow diminishing the plight that black people suffer through.
All lives do matter, you should not be judged by the circumstances you've been born into. But what you do with whatever you've been given.
I also strongly feel that the sole function of mainstream media is to create MORE divisions between us and the people that seem to ACTUALLY be trying bring us closer together as functional and cooperative societies are being demonized.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

Only in an age of madness would someone be called racist for proclaiming that all human life is equally precious and worthy of equal treatment which is basically what the term "all lives matter" is paraphrasing.

Why does life matter? You can't just assert that it does, it needs an explanation.

Specifically why do all human lives matter? In a world where 8 billion of us are slowly killing the planet, I just cannot agree.