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chad wolf - president trump's acting homeland security secretary - appeared on fox news yesterday. during the interview, he said the following:

The department, because we don’t have that local support, that local law enforcement support, are having to go out and proactively arrest individuals...

And we need to do that because we need to hold them accountable. This idea that they can attack federal property and law enforcement officers and go to the other side of the street and say ‘you can’t touch me’ is ridiculous.
(my emphasis)

what is a proactive arrest? an arrest of somebody who has not committed a crime, but might?

there are multiple reports, from portland, of citizens being taken from the streets by federal officers, with no evidence or suspicion they were involved in the commission of a crime.

this is what government tyranny looks like.

alasdair
 
In Portland, A 'Wall Of Moms' And Leaf Blowers Against Tear Gas

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As protests for racial justice in Portland have continued for more than 50 nights, striking new images and tactics have emerged – particularly in resistance to the federal law enforcement officers whose actions have earned the ire of Oregonians who want them to leave.

A group of women who call themselves the Wall of Moms has drawn national attention, clad in bike helmets and goggles. They link arms to form a protective barrier between law enforcement and Black Lives Matter protesters who took to the streets after the May 25 death of George Floyd at the hands of Minneapolis police.

In a recent moment captured on video, a large crowd of the yellow-garbed women sing as if a lullaby, "Hands up, please don't shoot me."

Members of the Wall of Moms say they follow the directions of Black leaders, and that their driving vision is that "we moms would take some physical hits in hopes our Black and Brown kids, friends, neighbors, and loved ones will be spared some pain."

In another video, also taken by freelance journalist Sergio Olmos, a protester uses a hockey stick to push back a canister of tear gas. Another uses a leaf blower to blow back the gas, a tactic used last year by protesters in Hong Kong.

State and local leaders have repeatedly called for federal agents to leave the city, arguing that their presence has made an already-tense environment worse.

"The federal police have their marching orders on how they're going to do things," Portland Police Association President Daryl Turner told NPR on Tuesday. "And that coordination was not made with Portland police."

In response to both the federal actions in Portland and the implied threat by President Trump to deploy federal officers to other U.S. cities, more than a dozen U.S. mayors have sent an open letter to Attorney General William Barr and Chad Wolf, acting secretary of the Department of Homeland Security.

The letter calls on the Department of Justice and DHS to withdraw the forces from American cities and halt plans to send any more.

"Deployment of federal forces in the streets of our communities has not been requested nor is it acceptable. While U.S. Marshals have had jurisdiction inside federal courthouses for decades, it is unacceptable and chilling that this administration has formed and deployed the U.S. Department of Homeland Security Rapid Deployment Unit and is sending federal authorities to conduct crowd control on city streets and detain individuals," the mayors write.

They point to the federal officers' use of less-lethal munitions against protesters that have caused serious injury and to the grabbing of people off the street and pulling them into unmarked vehicles. "These are tactics we expect from authoritarian regimes – not our democracy," the mayors write.

On Tuesday, Wolf said, "Portland is unique," arguing that local officials and police hadn't done enough to control what he said was violence stemming from the nightly protests, and saying those protests increasingly threaten federal buildings downtown.

Asked about Trump's threat to send federal officers into other cities, Wolf said reporters could "ask the White House."

Oregon Gov. Kate Brown said the situation in Portland had been starting to calm before federal forces arrived.

"The harsh reality is, this is about scoring political points with [Trump's] base," Brown told PBS NewsHour on Monday. "This is about political theater. If they were really interested in problem-solving or in public safety, they would be willing to de-escalate and engage in dialogue."

She added, "Instead, they bring more troops to the streets. They take peaceful protesters off into unmarked cars. And, unfortunately, last weekend, they almost killed a peaceful protester. This is absolutely outrageous. It is a violation of the principles on which this country was founded."

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Source:
 
Are the protests peaceful? No.

Should Trump be hiding behind his lie the agents are there to protect federal buildings, but really they're there because he doesn't like the Mayor and Governors are handling THEIR cities and states, respectively? No.

This isn't a dictatorship, even if what he's doing adds value and the mayors and governors are negligent, does it nullify the fact that he's literally breaking the law and violating people's rights?

Trump doesn't want to be the President of a Federal Republic, he wants to have absolute power (he has basically said as much.) The United States isn't a company he owns, he can't seem to understand that and effectively play by the laws and rules in order to lead this country properly.
 
Why Trump Chose Portland

Violent, reckless federal forces have a friend in the city’s police.

For more than three weeks, federal security forces have been terrorizing protesters in Portland, Oregon. Unidentified agents in unmarked minivans are kidnapping demonstrators without warrants, assaulting journalists, and beating people in the streets. The militarized forces, which have battered crowds with tear gas and “less lethal” munitions, were sent by the Trump administration under the guise of protecting federal property from vandals. The reckless show of force has escalated local tensions: In a video captured by New York Times correspondent Mike Baker on Wednesday night, demonstrators jeered at Mayor Ted Wheeler and called him “tear gas Ted” as he tried to address a crowd. Protesters hold Wheeler, who also serves as the city’s police commissioner, responsible for both the protest crackdowns by the Portland Police Bureau and the continued abuses of federal agents. Wednesday night, some called for him to use the Portland police to protect residents from federal security forces. Wheeler attempted to show that he shared many of their concerns: “We demand that the federal government stop occupying our city,” he said.

There’s a reason why Donald Trump chose Portland as his first major staging ground for this war on journalists and racial justice activists. In the weeks before Trump sent in Department of Homeland Security forces, the Portland police had been making regular use of violent tactics to subdue demonstrators. The Portland Police Bureau has already earned one temporary restraining order from a federal judge for its likely violation of protesters’ free speech rights and another for arresting journalists and legal observers for recording police activity at demonstrations. A few weeks ago, after state officials banned the use of tear gas by police except in the case of riots, the police simply began declaring the protests riots before tear-gassing crowds.

In the PPB, Trump has found a police force fully aligned with his contention that violent shows of force are necessary and warranted to disperse progressive demonstrators. And in Daryl Turner, the president of the Portland Police Association, the PPB’s union, Trump has found a ready ally. Turner has used the language of war to justify the presence of federal agents, saying the city is “under siege.” He’s also publicly denigrated the local elected officials who are calling for Trump to withdraw federal forces from the city: Turner said those leaders are “demonizing and vilifying the officers on the front lines” and “have placed their political agenda ahead of the safety and welfare of the community.”

Jo Ann Hardesty, Portland’s city commissioner and one of the few public officials making bold moves to try to reform policing in the city, has cast blame on both Turner and Wheeler for the federal government’s disregard for protesters’ rights. “I still have to question why was Portland police not protecting Portlanders when these federal goons came in and started attacking us, rather than joining the federal goons who were attacking peaceful protesters,” Hardesty said at Wednesday’s City Council meeting. Earlier this week, Wheeler rejected Hardesty’s request to take over as police commissioner.

Dan Handelman, who co-founded Portland Copwatch in 1992, has followed the department’s recent escalation of violent tactics—and its welcoming of federal security forces—with horror. “In a way, it’s not surprising, because of the history of the Portland police,” he said. “There’s a long history of the police using violence in protests.” Portland Copwatch—a volunteer-run organization that advocates for an end to brutality, racism, and corruption in the PPB—was established, in part, in response to police tactics at a Gulf War protest during a visit from George H.W. Bush. “In breaking up protests, the police brought out pepper spray and used it indiscriminately on the crowds. That was the first time we’d seen that,” Handelman said. His group was also created in response to the Rodney King uprisings and the PPB’s accidental killing of a 12-year-old boy who was taken hostage in the city.

Other incidents of police brutality against protesters followed: In 2004, the city paid a settlement to 12 victims who’d been protesting George W. Bush in 2002 when police began tear-gassing, pepper-spraying, beating, and firing rubber bullets at demonstrators. (An infant was reportedly among those pepper-sprayed.) The plaintiffs in that suit had initially asked for less money in exchange for reforming the PPB’s use-of-force protocols, but the bureau refused.

The PPB’s history of undue violence, which has bred distrust in the communities it’s supposed to protect, extends beyond political demonstrations. Like many police forces, the PPB has a history of officers killing Black people with impunity—including 21-year-old Kendra James, who was killed during a 2003 traffic stop, and 17-year-old Quanice Hayes, who was gunned down while kneeling in 2017. (Black people, who make up about 6 percent of the Portland population, also make up a disproportionate number of those stopped by police and targeted by uses of force.) When the police chief banned chokeholds in 1985 after officers killed a Black man with the hold, officers made T-shirts that said, “Don’t Choke ’Em. Smoke ’Em.” In 2012, the Justice Department reported that the PPB had an unconstitutional “pattern or practice” of using excessive force against people with mental illnesses and has maintained oversight of the PPB since a settlement agreement in 2014. Earlier this year, the DOJ announced that the PPB was finally in compliance with all the requirements of the settlement agreement, though then–police Chief Jami Resch admitted that officers are still shooting people with mental illnesses and will likely continue to do so. “We’re killing more people today with mental health issues by the Portland Police than we did before the DOJ came to town,” Hardesty told Rolling Stone.

In its abuses at protests, the PPB has not targeted demonstrators equally across ideological lines. As alt-right groups emboldened by Donald Trump have gathered in numbers in a state with deep roots in white supremacist organizing, the PPB has been seen as sympathetic to those organizations. A series of friendly text messages sent in 2017 and 2018 showed Lt. Jeff Niiya, the head of the PPB unit that addresses protests, giving protest tips to the leader of the alt-right Patriot Prayer group and congratulating him on his bid for public office. When right- and left-wing groups faced off in 2018, demonstrators observed that police officers faced the left-wing groups and kept their backs toward the right-wingers, though police had found Patriot Prayer members with a cache of weapons on the roof of a parking garage before the protest. (The bureau didn’t inform the mayor of the bust for months.)

The recent clashes are deeply enmeshed in the state’s history. “Oregon really was settled as a white homeland, and that’s why the skinhead groups and the white supremacists, the active white racists, are so strong here,” said Karen Gibson, a Portland State University professor who has studied the Portland police’s history with Black communities. “They’re still quite active here, and this is related to Trump’s whole agenda of reasserting white supremacy,” she said. Since the early 1900s, Portland has also been home to a formidable “strain of revolutionary white folks,” including antifascist and anarchist organizers.

According to activists, the makeup of the PPB is key to its antagonistic relationship with many Portland communities. The force is even more white and less Black than the Portland population, and the Portland Mercury reported in 2018 that just 18 percent of Portland officers live in the city they police. “Growing up in Oregon, in a place that’s 90 percent white, it’s only if you live in the city that you’re going to get exposed to and have experience with Black people and brown people,” Gibson said of the backgrounds of Portland cops. “And you can live in the city on the southern side of town and it’s still nearly 90 percent white. What it means is that [these] whites are unexposed to and unfamiliar with Black culture and Black people.”

“When we talk about how it seems like they’re an occupying force—well, there’s a reason for that, because only 1 of every 5 or 6 officers lives in the city,” Handelman told me.

Unsurprisingly, the PPB’s union doesn’t seem too upset about the current federal occupation. Recent police chiefs have made a habit of ignoring or explicitly violating the mayor’s wishes, including those that govern the policing of political demonstrations. Now, PPA’s Turner is the one going rogue. Wheeler, Multnomah County Sheriff Mike Reese, and PPB Chief Chuck Lovell declined to meet with Chad Wolf, the acting secretary of the Department of Homeland Security, when he came to town last week, but Turner was all ears. He was the only person from the PPB at a meeting with federal law enforcement officials last Thursday, the Portland Mercury reported, and only faults DHS for failing to coordinate with local police. While Portland’s elected officials try to assert the city’s right to police itself, Turner wants to work with Trump’s forces: When he met with Wolf, he told the Mercury, “The basic idea was to go and listen to see if there were any ideas in there that were helpful for us.”

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Source: https://slate.com/news-and-politics...paYedjWDh28c_CPHVYf9_MS7PT11TgW2Ylqzm-Fqx24zU
 
Other than the headline mentioning Trump, I'm not sure this post isn't better suited in the BLM thread pushing back against a police abuse. The whole article focuses on the history of the Portland Police Bureau (PPB).

Other incidents of police brutality against protesters followed: In 2004 ... protesting George W. Bush in 2002 ... killed during a 2003 traffic stop...gunned down while kneeling in 2017... banned chokeholds in 1985 after officers killed a Black man... In 2012, the Justice Department reported ... a settlement agreement in 2014

The article paints a real bad picture of PPB over the last 3 decades, and I'm in no position to argue against any of the statements since I haven't kept up on Portland life. But it is nearly ALL pointing to history, and nothing Trump would have anything to do with.

Jo Ann Hardesty, Portland’s city commissioner and one of the few public officials making bold moves to try to reform policing in the city, has cast blame on both Turner and Wheeler for the federal government’s disregard for protesters’ rights. “I still have to question why was Portland police not protecting Portlanders when these federal goons came in and started attacking us, rather than joining the federal goons who were attacking peaceful protesters,” Hardesty said at Wednesday’s City Council meeting. Earlier this week, Wheeler rejected Hardesty’s request to take over as police commissioner.

And the rest of America is asking why the PPB wasn't policing the citizenry, creating the need for federal intervention.

'peaceful protesters'...ok.

Marine vet holds US flag high amid chaotic Portland protest, gets followed home by Antifa

bold emphasis by me

For more than 50 nights, Gabriel Johnson, 48, a retired Marine, has been kept awake by the sounds of rioting and explosions taking place outside his window in Portland, Ore. After two months of living in fear, at 3 a.m. Sunday he had had enough, “at that point I [had] counted 82 explosions and just thought, you know, somebody has to do something.”

Living only a block away from the Mark O. Hatfield U.S. Courthouse in downtown Portland, which has become an epicenter of violence that has overtaken the city, Johnson marched into the chaos with his American flag in hand.

While he expected his actions would be divisive to some, the retired Marine was not prepared for the reaction he got.

“I was being called the N-word by Black people. People were chasing me around with baseball bats,” Johnson told Fox News.

While the Marine Corps veteran, who is Black, experienced many eye-opening events that night, there was one thing he saw that shocked him the most.

“Antifa has infiltrated Black Lives Matter,” Johnson said as he described a woman dressed in Black Lives Matter gear who showed him threatening footage of protesters following him back to his home, and letting him know they were keeping tabs on him. According to Johnson, this woman was also holding an Antifa pen and was communicating with others via walkie-talkie.

These people have nothing to do with Black lives. Our Black community leaders need to stand up and lead because what's happening is they're letting a group of terrorists that don't represent me use me, and that's not right,” said Johnson.

Another scene that left him in utter dismay was seeing a 65-year-old Black veteran attempt to stop the burning of Johnson’s flag, only to be beaten by alleged Black Lives Matter protesters.

“He said, 'there's no way you're gonna burn this flag.’ That was followed up by Black Lives Matter, Black men, running after this man, punching him in his face, grabbing the flag and throwing it over the fence,” said Johnson as he emotionally recalled the horrific incident.

The lifelong Portland resident blames the destruction of his city on the inaction of local leadership.

"The lack of police response, city response, response from our mayor has just given free rein to holy hell to take place at that 11 o’clock hour to 3 in the morning.”

As for the federal officers who have been sent by the Trump administration into Portland over the past week to end the violence, Johnson doesn't oppose the extra assistance.

“In absence of the local police what do we expect?” he said. "If we as a city aren't going to police ourselves, then we should expect someone to come in and police for us.”

“I look at everything from a patriot's point of view. I've spent a lot of time fighting for our country. And so my belief in and my patriotism for this country is unmeasured … I fought for this country and this is not what I fought for,” said Johnson.

^^A Black man, a citizen of Portland = threatened, watching a beating by these 'peaceful protesters', welcoming federal help to save his city.

And, to the point of local police, that PPB....Portland has forbidden them from cooperating with federal forces. LOL, ok.
 
I could post a story about a retired veteran being beaten and pepper sprayed by the Feds sent in by the current Administration, and that would mean what to you?

...probably nothing.

You have made it abundantly clear--in mutiple posts here--that you generally lean towards a partisan position that suites your own personal narrative.

If perception is reality, then I can't begrudge you your reality.

I'll just have to respectfully agree to disagree at this point.

:)
 
and that would mean what to you?

I'd acknowledge what I share is single instances and shouldn't be taken as representative of the whole. My point in posting them is to push back against the belief that these instances don't exist. I'm open to all perspectives, I just dislike when only one view is presented and either goes unchallenged or is taken as a singular truth. This, on all matters.

While 'my' position may be inferred from what I post, that also may be misleading. Often, I post to oppose a narrative simply to ensure more than one perspective is possible. I'd rather see honest discussion, and sharing of all views.
 
A group of women who call themselves the Wall of Moms
First of all, that is incredible. Sacrificing yourself to stop others from getting hurt, I just think that's really cool.

'peaceful protesters'...ok
What do you mean by 'peaceful'? Does a wall of women trying to protect fellow protesters not say peaceful to you? And those explosions? Does it specify that they were set off by the protesters? I mean, come on man. You've got people singing songs, holding hands and linking arms. The only reason they've become violent would be to protect themselves from the barbaric officers gassing them and pulling them into fucking vans. I think that's a reasonable excuse to become violent, don't you? Yeah, sure there are gonna be those few people who take it too far but that doesn't count for every single Portland protester out there so you can't justify the action federal officers are taking against them.
 
Please, don't say just because a wall of women said it it MUST be true.

Please say you didn't say that is actual proof ...
 
Donald Trump makes a rare admission about this regret


Could we be looking at a whole new Trump until the election? Which advisor finally made it click for him his behavior was going to lose re-election - I'd personally like to thank him.
 
Donald Trump makes a rare admission about this regret


Could we be looking at a whole new Trump until the election? Which advisor finally made it click for him his behavior was going to lose re-election - I'd personally like to thank him.

I wouldn't. The more trump does to wreck his reelection prospects the better I feel.

Trumps a lifelong narcissist. That ain't changing. All that might change is him getting smarter about not shooting himself in the foot. And so more dangerous.

Fortunately for that same reason I don't see it sticking. Someone like trump doesn't change. Not even when it's in their interest.
 
I wouldn't. The more trump does to wreck his reelection prospects the better I feel.

I totally agree with you Jess, but something had to give so we can get at least start moving in the right direction in regards to the pandemic. My Facebook feed has been full of conspiracy theories and hate for months because of Trump, even my own family and friends, something as simple as wearing a mask was vilified, and as much as I can't fathom putting up with Trump for another four years, I'm glad he at least changed up his message for masks and other pandemic related topics.
 
At first I thought it was Biden's campaign video. I find it so funny that Trump's resorted to trying to make his competitors look bad because he has nothing good to say about himself. "Vote for me because at least I'm not him".
 
At first I thought it was Biden's campaign video. I find it so funny that Trump's resorted to trying to make his competitors look bad because he has nothing good to say about himself. "Vote for me because at least I'm not him".

Which is funny cause that seems like a much better strategy for Biden to use

Bidens not a great candidate. But he has one huge thing going for him. He's not trump.
 
I totally agree with you Jess, but something had to give so we can get at least start moving in the right direction in regards to the pandemic. My Facebook feed has been full of conspiracy theories and hate for months because of Trump, even my own family and friends, something as simple as wearing a mask was vilified, and as much as I can't fathom putting up with Trump for another four years, I'm glad he at least changed up his message for masks and other pandemic related topics.

It's tough to say. It might still be for the greater good in the long run to let trump continue imploding now.
 
Why Trump Chose Portland

Violent, reckless federal forces have a friend in the city’s police.

For more than three weeks, federal security forces have been terrorizing protesters in Portland, Oregon. Unidentified agents in unmarked minivans are kidnapping demonstrators without warrants, assaulting journalists, and beating people in the streets. The militarized forces, which have battered crowds with tear gas and “less lethal” munitions, were sent by the Trump administration under the guise of protecting federal property from vandals. The reckless show of force has escalated local tensions: In a video captured by New York Times correspondent Mike Baker on Wednesday night, demonstrators jeered at Mayor Ted Wheeler and called him “tear gas Ted” as he tried to address a crowd. Protesters hold Wheeler, who also serves as the city’s police commissioner, responsible for both the protest crackdowns by the Portland Police Bureau and the continued abuses of federal agents. Wednesday night, some called for him to use the Portland police to protect residents from federal security forces. Wheeler attempted to show that he shared many of their concerns: “We demand that the federal government stop occupying our city,” he said.

There’s a reason why Donald Trump chose Portland as his first major staging ground for this war on journalists and racial justice activists. In the weeks before Trump sent in Department of Homeland Security forces, the Portland police had been making regular use of violent tactics to subdue demonstrators. The Portland Police Bureau has already earned one temporary restraining order from a federal judge for its likely violation of protesters’ free speech rights and another for arresting journalists and legal observers for recording police activity at demonstrations. A few weeks ago, after state officials banned the use of tear gas by police except in the case of riots, the police simply began declaring the protests riots before tear-gassing crowds.

In the PPB, Trump has found a police force fully aligned with his contention that violent shows of force are necessary and warranted to disperse progressive demonstrators. And in Daryl Turner, the president of the Portland Police Association, the PPB’s union, Trump has found a ready ally. Turner has used the language of war to justify the presence of federal agents, saying the city is “under siege.” He’s also publicly denigrated the local elected officials who are calling for Trump to withdraw federal forces from the city: Turner said those leaders are “demonizing and vilifying the officers on the front lines” and “have placed their political agenda ahead of the safety and welfare of the community.”

Jo Ann Hardesty, Portland’s city commissioner and one of the few public officials making bold moves to try to reform policing in the city, has cast blame on both Turner and Wheeler for the federal government’s disregard for protesters’ rights. “I still have to question why was Portland police not protecting Portlanders when these federal goons came in and started attacking us, rather than joining the federal goons who were attacking peaceful protesters,” Hardesty said at Wednesday’s City Council meeting. Earlier this week, Wheeler rejected Hardesty’s request to take over as police commissioner.

Dan Handelman, who co-founded Portland Copwatch in 1992, has followed the department’s recent escalation of violent tactics—and its welcoming of federal security forces—with horror. “In a way, it’s not surprising, because of the history of the Portland police,” he said. “There’s a long history of the police using violence in protests.” Portland Copwatch—a volunteer-run organization that advocates for an end to brutality, racism, and corruption in the PPB—was established, in part, in response to police tactics at a Gulf War protest during a visit from George H.W. Bush. “In breaking up protests, the police brought out pepper spray and used it indiscriminately on the crowds. That was the first time we’d seen that,” Handelman said. His group was also created in response to the Rodney King uprisings and the PPB’s accidental killing of a 12-year-old boy who was taken hostage in the city.

Other incidents of police brutality against protesters followed: In 2004, the city paid a settlement to 12 victims who’d been protesting George W. Bush in 2002 when police began tear-gassing, pepper-spraying, beating, and firing rubber bullets at demonstrators. (An infant was reportedly among those pepper-sprayed.) The plaintiffs in that suit had initially asked for less money in exchange for reforming the PPB’s use-of-force protocols, but the bureau refused.

The PPB’s history of undue violence, which has bred distrust in the communities it’s supposed to protect, extends beyond political demonstrations. Like many police forces, the PPB has a history of officers killing Black people with impunity—including 21-year-old Kendra James, who was killed during a 2003 traffic stop, and 17-year-old Quanice Hayes, who was gunned down while kneeling in 2017. (Black people, who make up about 6 percent of the Portland population, also make up a disproportionate number of those stopped by police and targeted by uses of force.) When the police chief banned chokeholds in 1985 after officers killed a Black man with the hold, officers made T-shirts that said, “Don’t Choke ’Em. Smoke ’Em.” In 2012, the Justice Department reported that the PPB had an unconstitutional “pattern or practice” of using excessive force against people with mental illnesses and has maintained oversight of the PPB since a settlement agreement in 2014. Earlier this year, the DOJ announced that the PPB was finally in compliance with all the requirements of the settlement agreement, though then–police Chief Jami Resch admitted that officers are still shooting people with mental illnesses and will likely continue to do so. “We’re killing more people today with mental health issues by the Portland Police than we did before the DOJ came to town,” Hardesty told Rolling Stone.

In its abuses at protests, the PPB has not targeted demonstrators equally across ideological lines. As alt-right groups emboldened by Donald Trump have gathered in numbers in a state with deep roots in white supremacist organizing, the PPB has been seen as sympathetic to those organizations. A series of friendly text messages sent in 2017 and 2018 showed Lt. Jeff Niiya, the head of the PPB unit that addresses protests, giving protest tips to the leader of the alt-right Patriot Prayer group and congratulating him on his bid for public office. When right- and left-wing groups faced off in 2018, demonstrators observed that police officers faced the left-wing groups and kept their backs toward the right-wingers, though police had found Patriot Prayer members with a cache of weapons on the roof of a parking garage before the protest. (The bureau didn’t inform the mayor of the bust for months.)

The recent clashes are deeply enmeshed in the state’s history. “Oregon really was settled as a white homeland, and that’s why the skinhead groups and the white supremacists, the active white racists, are so strong here,” said Karen Gibson, a Portland State University professor who has studied the Portland police’s history with Black communities. “They’re still quite active here, and this is related to Trump’s whole agenda of reasserting white supremacy,” she said. Since the early 1900s, Portland has also been home to a formidable “strain of revolutionary white folks,” including antifascist and anarchist organizers.

According to activists, the makeup of the PPB is key to its antagonistic relationship with many Portland communities. The force is even more white and less Black than the Portland population, and the Portland Mercury reported in 2018 that just 18 percent of Portland officers live in the city they police. “Growing up in Oregon, in a place that’s 90 percent white, it’s only if you live in the city that you’re going to get exposed to and have experience with Black people and brown people,” Gibson said of the backgrounds of Portland cops. “And you can live in the city on the southern side of town and it’s still nearly 90 percent white. What it means is that [these] whites are unexposed to and unfamiliar with Black culture and Black people.”

“When we talk about how it seems like they’re an occupying force—well, there’s a reason for that, because only 1 of every 5 or 6 officers lives in the city,” Handelman told me.

Unsurprisingly, the PPB’s union doesn’t seem too upset about the current federal occupation. Recent police chiefs have made a habit of ignoring or explicitly violating the mayor’s wishes, including those that govern the policing of political demonstrations. Now, PPA’s Turner is the one going rogue. Wheeler, Multnomah County Sheriff Mike Reese, and PPB Chief Chuck Lovell declined to meet with Chad Wolf, the acting secretary of the Department of Homeland Security, when he came to town last week, but Turner was all ears. He was the only person from the PPB at a meeting with federal law enforcement officials last Thursday, the Portland Mercury reported, and only faults DHS for failing to coordinate with local police. While Portland’s elected officials try to assert the city’s right to police itself, Turner wants to work with Trump’s forces: When he met with Wolf, he told the Mercury, “The basic idea was to go and listen to see if there were any ideas in there that were helpful for us.”

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Source: https://slate.com/news-and-politics...paYedjWDh28c_CPHVYf9_MS7PT11TgW2Ylqzm-Fqx24zU

Thanks for posting this. It aids the point I was making it the other thread a few minutes ago, that we should be very concerned about this executive overreach of power, all of us regardless of what "side" you're on about the protests. Specifically, kidnapping groups of protesters in unmarked vans, and especially assaulting reporters. Suppression of reporting, violence against reporters, is the biggest fucking red flag ever of an authoritarian/fascist regime. For real. There is no excuse whatsoever for assaulting/suppressing journalists, who are supposed to be there to document what is happening. When you suppress the ability for anyone to show evidence of something, to leave unchallenged your adminuistration's chosen narrative... this is dangerous, un-American, and unconstitutional.
 
Mark Twain said:
History doesn't repeat itself, but it does rhyme


From Plato's Five Regimes:

...Oligarchy then degenerates into a democracy where freedom is the supreme good but freedom is also slavery. In democracy, the lower class grows bigger and bigger. The poor become the winners. People are free to do what they want and live how they want. People can even break the law if they so choose. This appears to be very similar to anarchy.

Plato uses the "democratic man" to represent democracy. The democratic man is the son of the oligarchic man. Unlike his father, the democratic man is consumed with unnecessary desires. Plato describes necessary desires as desires that we have out of instinct or desires that we have to survive. Unnecessary desires are desires we can teach ourselves to resist such as the desire for riches. The democratic man takes great interest in all the things he can buy with his money. Plato believes that the democratic man is more concerned with his money over how he can help the people. He does whatever he wants whenever he wants to do it. His life has no order or priority.

Democracy then degenerates into tyranny where no one has discipline and society exists in chaos. Democracy is taken over by the longing for freedom. Power must be seized to maintain order. A champion will come along and experience power, which will cause him to become a tyrant. The people will start to hate him and eventually try to remove him but will realize they are not able.

Ironically(?), I think it was Marx who said the future was written in the past.
 
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It’s Terrifying How Far Down the Road To Fascism We’ve Come

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Mark Pettibone of Portland Oregon was walking home from a peaceful protest when “federal officers” descended upon him and detained and searched him; he was also read his Miranda rights. And then, almost as suddenly as they had grabbed him off the street, the men let him go. He told the press that he was not told why he had been detained or provided with any record of an arrest; As far as he knows, he has not been charged with any crimes. And, Pettibone said, in addition to being terrified, he did not know who detained him. This is but one such dystopian scene of people being seized, blindfolded, transported, imprisoned, and finally released — without once being told who had abducted him and why.

We all take great sport in reviling at Donald Trump’s loathsome ways and rejoicing in his buffoonery, but in the meantime he continues his inexorable march toward fascism, unabated and supported by more of the population than any of us “Biden supporting liberals” may care to admit. And he is much further down the road to tyranny than most Americans even realize. As the storm troopers and secret police are illegally unleashed on our peaceful civilian protestors in Portland Oregon with tactics reminiscent of Nazi Germany, those on the scene report that a group of veterans banded together to lend their support to the peacefully protesting “Wall of Moms”, “Wall of Dads” and other groups in attendance, and all of them were brutalized by agents of a Presidential administration desperate to enhance his polling with a “political theatre” of “policing criminality” that knows no bounds of decency or legality. These tactics are not the best idea for Trump to be making friends and influencing people to like him.

The denial in Federal court of an Oregon Attorney General’s petition for an injunction that would prevent these “federal law enforcement units” from arresting protesters is disheartening, but the court of public opinion is making a quite different judgement. It is quite clear to the public that it is:

1. Highly likely that Trump has infiltrated the otherwise peaceful protests with “agent provocateurs” whose mis-behavior he can use to justify his desired show of force as the “Law and Order” President needed to calm “white suburban fear”, and

2. It is equally likely that many of the arrestees are hired actors by Trump to create “believable street theater” molded to whatever purposes that further incite fear and division for Trump’s political purposes. It is also true that many more of these protestors are genuine victims of kidnappings, who remain in the dark about their abductors even after being freed. Either of these possibilities are anathema to our Democratic values.


Oregon’s attorney general request may have been denied for now, for failure to prove that unlawful arrests were widespread, but that argument will not prevail for very long. When a professor of Harvard’s constitutional scholar, Laurence Tribe’s stature suggests that we are “being confronted in city after city with a nationwide paramilitary force, its troops unidentifiable and its vehicles unmarked, directed in deliberately vague terms to protect property and preserve domestic order”, we can be certain that more and better legal action is already in the works.

There is no doubt that Trump, et al plan to expand this paramilitary force from city to city nationwide. And for good measure he has also begun converting our social media platforms into cyberweapons to be used against our citizenry. So, do not be surprised if you receive a midnight knock on your door if your Facebook page happens to be expressing too many “unpopular” opinions.

But there is also good news, which is that if history is any indication, “Double Down Donnie” will overplay his hand and that the courts eventually will come crashing down upon him, because if we know anything about the Donald, it is certain that he will eventually mess up. According to Tribe and most legal scholars, “This is not mere disregard for the rule of law — this is outright disdain.”

Tribe goes on to say that “the naked cynicism of those disguising these dictatorial moves in the facially anodyne garb of essential peacekeeping — a move that, sadly, might well succeed for a time in holding sufficiently wide-ranging judicial relief at bay — is especially disgusting.”

“Judges worthy of the independence and life tenure entrusted to them will hopefully enjoin the worst excesses of this profoundly un-American attack on civil society. Politicians worthy of leading a republic will hopefully denounce and dismantle this anti-democratic militia. But the long shadow of fear cast by the Trump administration’s programmatic assault on our freedoms will remain until — “from sea to shining sea” — that entire administration is ripped root and branch from our native land.”

Let us hope that the “worthiness” to which he refers, prevails.

But just in case, I expect that we will have to stay in the streets until the pressure applied rises so high that this entire “gangster” administration will be “ripped and uprooted”. I suspect that it comes as no great surprise to most protesters that the only way to rid ourselves of these cowardly, wannabee dictators is by the traditional method of risking life and limb to protest and defeat these abusers of our cherished values. These are our sacred values and traditions of patriotic dissent; of sacrifice and selflessness, about which cowards like Trump and his ilk know nothing…absolutely nothing.

We need not worry, however. There is not enough room in the jails in any event, to house all of our legitimate complaints. Moreover, there are not enough Corona virus uninfected jailors remaining to oversee the numbers of protestors. It is the Trump administration’s mismanagement of the Covid-19 Pandemic, which ironically ensured this positive outcome.

These are dangerous times that require intelligent decision making on matters ranging from proper handling of the Covid-19 Pandemic, the need for systemic change in our justice system, economic system, educational system, and proper handling of international affairs; the lists go on; and President Trump is 180 degrees wrong on everything.

If ever there was a time to continue to protest until we can clean house, that time is now.

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