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OK JGrimez, what would it take to convince you the virus was real?

I never said it wasn't real.
I said it's a coronavirus with a death rate of 0.26% (I expect that to drop further).
7-15% of flu-related deaths each year are due to a coronavirus.

What isn't real is the fear and the hype.
The new rules, lockdowns.
If you think that all of these new restrictions are a good idea then you're brainwashed but I understand that people really want to believe that governments are doing what's best for them.
 
Yeah they're also censoring doctors and medical professionals who are calling them out.
The WHO is not to be trusted and I truly feel sorry for anyone living somewhere where masks are mandated.
1. 10% protection via a mask is better than 0% protection
2. There were not enough masks so the public were told to a) stay home and b) don't bother wearing masks since you are at home, leave the few masks that are available to the people who are out treating sick people
3. The purpose of the masks now, is to prevent people who may be infected -but only mildly- passing the virus on to others who would be more severely affected

Agree though that testing is not just irrelevant but also dangerous. You could be tested on a Monday, be told you negative on the Tuesday leaving you with a false sense of security then get infected on the Wednesday. So , what was the point of the test again?
 
If you think that all of these new restrictions are a good idea then you're brainwashed but I understand that people really want to believe that governments are doing what's best for them.

Isn't it possible we have faith and believe in the scientists and doctors?
 
I said it's a coronavirus with a death rate of 0.26% (I expect that to drop further).
7-15% of flu-related deaths each year are due to a coronavirus.

If we're going to throw out false data, I have a huge problem with this. I would ask, going forward, claims like this need verified sources.

I've addressed the 0.26% number with you in another thread, so please source it or use it properly.

7-15% of flu related deaths each year are due to coronavirus? What does this mean? They are two seperate viruses.
 
Isn't it possible we have faith and believe in the scientists and doctors?

I've got doctors and scientists who agree with me.
So you're just choosing a different appeal to authority.

...or that they are seeing friends and family become sicker than they have ever been and would prefer to rather be safe than sorry, even if that means giving up Friday nights at the movies.
This is mostly emotional anecdotal nonsense.
Yes there is a virus. No it is not a pandemic or it is as much as a bad yearly flu season is called a "pandemic". Never any calls for distancing and lockdowns.
What we're seeing now is not congruent.
 
Sure, but in a situation where data is evolving on a daily basis even the best scientists and doctors are working on the basis of 'best guess' as opposed to empirical fact

That's exactly right, so with that in mind - the constant changing data available isn't a conspiracy, it's just how the process works - and then we have to have government officials that need to interpret that constantly evolving data and try to hit moving targets in terms of policies and mitigation factors, and weighing economy to human life. It's a complex set of data and it complicates matters further when people don't understand this and shout conspiracy at every corner. It really makes things even more complicated when Trump is ignoring it all and makes baseless and misleading claims.
 
the constant changing data available isn't a conspiracy, it's just how the process works
When the virus turns out to be extraordinarily less harmful than originally claimed and the tight controls and surveillance aren't rescinded then that's a conspiracy.
 
...or it is as much as a bad yearly flu season is called a "pandemic"
"Here’s Why COVID-19 Is Much Worse Than the Flu"
https://www.healthline.com/health-news/why-covid-19-isnt-the-flu
"On the surface, COVID-19 looks similar to the seasonal flu.
Both can cause symptoms such as fever and body aches. Both are more deadly to people over age 65.
And the viruses that cause these illnesses spread in similar ways, mainly from person to person through respiratory droplets.
But COVID-19 is not the seasonal flu.
In many ways, it’s much worse.
A column Trusted Sourceprinted in the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) on May 14 noted that flu deaths and COVID-19 deaths are not even reported the same way.
The column written by Dr. Jeremy Samuel Faust, MS, an emergency medicine specialist affiliated with Brigham and Women’s Hospital in Massachusetts, states that flu deaths are estimated while COVID-19 deaths are confirmed cases.
He notes that during mid-April the “counted deaths” for COVID-19 in the United States were around 15,000 per week. During a typical “peak week” for the flu, the “counted deaths” are about 750.
Faust concludes that COVID-19 deaths are actually anywhere from 10 times to 44 times the number of influenza fatalities.
Other experts say there are also reasons beyond the raw statistics that indicate COVID-19 is more dangerous than influenza."

OK - Covid 19 is worse than the flu
 
No it really isn't. And we're seeing that more and more by the day.
Imagine shutting the world down for a flu.... that's how ridiculous this all is but most people will simply not be able to see through the programming
 
Imagine shutting the world down for a flu

Well, I would think if H1N1 hit in 2020 instead of 1918, things would have looked similarly. It's an unfair comparison because we've had 82 years to study it and understand it.
 
Well, I would think if H1N1 hit in 2020 instead of 1918, things would have looked similarly. It's an unfair comparison because we've had 82 years to study it and understand it.
Which is one of the main reasons half the planet went into lockdown. If half the planet had been put in lockdown in 1918/1919 maybe there would not have been 50-100 Million deaths (estimated) tho' Grimey will probably reply that there were more likely to have only been ~5 Million deaths and all the rest were just seasonal flu.
 
Yes, oddly enough people do get emotional about seeing their loved ones in ICU for 6 weeks unsure if they're going to pull through.

I really hope you don't see the illness or death of your loved ones as nonsense.

I miss the days pre-corona when nobody ever died.

Emotional.

Nonsense.

What really isn't? Are you saying that Cov-19 really isn't worse than annually occurring flu?
Yes. We've seen extremely hectic flu seasons in the past. And there is no overall excess mortality for this year.

The definition of a pandemic used to means also a large number of deaths but that was removed after 2009 Swine Flu.
 
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