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Covid-19 Outbreak of new SARS-like coronavirus (Covid-19)

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Your friend survived. Yes it sucks getting sick. The goal was never to stop the spread of this virus it was just to slow it. The overwhelming of hospitals and mass deaths never came. You could say that the lockdowns had nothing to do with this and actually did more harm than good (this will be more undeniable as more time passes).

When I say that the official death rate is 0.26% how does that make me deny the virus exists? Please use thinking.
 
S.J.B. said:
I was a child during the SARS outbreak but I remember it clearly. Toronto was one of the hardest-hit cities outside of China. The Rolling Stones even came and played a benefit concert there. I really hope that this one isn't as bad, or at least that health authorities have a better idea of how to contain it this time around.
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Wtf, those bastards! They cancelled their shows in Shanghai because of SARs and I had tickets too.
 
Here's one from the recent archives that gives an insight into the "advisors" of governments that were involved in exaggerating the virus in order to coerce the public.

"At the same time, emails leaked to the Ekstrabladet newspaper showed how on March 20, new calculations showing that the reproduction number in Denmark was 2.1, considerably lower than the 2.6 previously estimated, were held back because they were "not desired politically" .

This allowed the government to ignore the authority's opinion that Covid-19 was not a sufficiently dangerous disease to permit the government to impose compulsory interventions on the public under Denmark's epidemic law.

As late as March 15, the Danish health Authority, argued there was insufficient ground for banning public events and gatherings of ten people under the law.

"The Danish Health Authority continues to consider that covid-19 cannot be described as a generally dangerous disease, as it does not have either a usually serious course or a high mortality rate," it wrote.

"The National Board of Health continues to find that there are no grounds for a general exemption for covid-19 in accordance with the provisions of section 10 ..."

'Leaked mails reveal battle over Denmark's lockdown'
 
When you look at the raw data, what we seem to have is, a "flu like virus" that has a death toll 3x that of influenza. This is assuming none of the "in ternet conspiray facts" about non corona deaths being attributed to covid for $$$$insurane/fed/state/governmet$$$$ payouts.

I know I know folks, without the lockdowns and mask, we might be at 4x-5x the normal influenza death rate per day.. Wowzers.

I wonder how many suicides we have had for lack of jobs/money/etc? I've read about more than a few...

I wonder what the comprehensive death toll per day ratio is right NOW in the United States. That is a hard number to tr rack down. Can anyone find it?

I don't care about supposed cases. Has no one else read all the weird incongruities about multiple cases per "sick" individual? Has noh one else read about the CDC's test all being tainted with the 'rona in april? Has no one else read ANYTHING about weird monkey buisness with testing numbers?

Even if the normal death rate of ~7800 per day in USA holds up, what is the point in shutting down the country for an extra 600 deaths per day.

At what point do we ponder if corona policies cause more harm than good?


As of July 7th, 2020, the average daily death toll due to the coronavirus (COVID-19) in the U.S. was around 930 since the occurrance of the first case on February 15th. Based on data from 2019, almost eight thousand people die every day in the United States from all causes, on average. Preliminary maximum estimates tell us that during the 2019-2020 (October to April) influenza season, around 332 people died da ily on average from influenza. Taking the latest numbers into account, it seems that since mid-February on average one out of eight deaths in the United States every day have involved COVID-19.
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www.statista.com

U.S. COVID-19 average deaths by day | Statista

As of January 6, 2022, an average of 1,192 people per day have died from COVID-19 in the U.S.
www.statista.com www.statista.com

FastStats

FastStats is an official application from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s (CDC) National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS) and puts access to topic-specific statistics at your fingertips.
www.cdc.gov www.cdc.gov

www.worldometers.info

United States COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer

United States Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.
www.worldometers.info www.worldometers.info
 
If you pick any week in 2020 and compare it to 2019 there were less deaths in 2020 overall.
 
Scientists say strain of coronavirus dominant around the world is different than what was seen in Wuhan

A strain of the coronavirus that was first seen in Italy is now the dominant strain of the virus, a group of scientists said Thursday.

In an article published by the peer-reviewed science journal Cell, researchers working with the Sheffield COVID-19 Genomics Group announced that the new strain "has become the most prevalent form in the global pandemic."

The strain is different than what appeared in Wuhan, China, the city where the coronavirus is believed to have originated.

According to the science journal, tracking of the virus frequency revealed a prevalence of the dominant strain, labeled G614, that took over the prevalence of D614, the original strain.

"Dynamic tracking of variant frequencies revealed a recurrent pattern of G614 increase at multiple geographic levels: national, regional and municipal. The shift occurred even in local epidemics where the original D614 form was well established prior to the introduction of the G614 variant," the scientists wrote in their abstract, referring to the two strains.

"The consistency of this pattern was highly statistically significant, suggesting that the G614 variant may have a fitness advantage," they continued.

However, scientists cannot agree on the reasoning for the new strain's dominance — researchers with the study suggested that the newer strain may be more virulent, while others contended in comments included with the study that the dominance could be due to its spread in the U.S.

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thehill.com

Scientists say strain of coronavirus dominant around the world is different than what was seen in Wuhan

A strain of the coronavirus that was first seen in Italy is now the dominant strain of the virus, a group of scientists said Thursday.In an article published by the peer-reviewed science journal Ce…
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JGrimez said:
If you pick any week in 2020 and compare it to 2019 there were less deaths in 2020 overall.
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I feel like I just made another post in the thread where you said you spoke 3 asian languages...something to the affect of

"Is this gonna be like the thread you said you were jewish and the moderater said "i don't care" and shut it down

How anti-semitic of them"

Now it is gone. If it was deleted without any reason or any message to me, can the moderator who did it just go ahead and ban my account. Such behavior is disgustingly ignorant censorship.

Unless I just typed it out and it never went through

Or I flipped timelines to where it disapeard


what u think grimey. Did you get a notification for the post?
 
JGrimez said:
If you pick any week in 2020 and compare it to 2019 there were less deaths in 2020 overall.
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The forces of light scored a huge victory against the Khazarian Satanists as their long-planned 2020/06/06/.06 offensive was stopped dead in its tracks, multiple sources agree. Instead of massive bloodshed involving armed demonstrators (million man occupation of the white house) and the U.S. military, there was a small, peaceful march against racism. This was because the armed saboteurs and their financial backers were all rounded up before their planned climax of mayhem, Pentagon sources say.
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About those tests and 'cases'.

Here's what the Australian govt. (the CDC agrees) has to say.


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JGrimez said:
About those tests and 'cases'.

Here's what the Australian govt. (the CDC agrees) has to say.


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Misleading claim circulates about the accuracy of COVID-19 tests in Australia
AFP Australia
June 30th, 2020
A purported screenshot of an Australian Department of Health webpage has been shared repeatedly on Facebook alongside a claim it is evidence that COVID-19 tests “cannot distinguish covid from a cold or measles or ebola”. The claim is misleading; Australian health authorities told AFP the image contains “selectively chosen information taken out of context”, and clarified that tests designed for SARS-CoV-2, the new coronavirus that causes the disease COVID-19, would not detect any other kinds of pathogens.

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In an email to AFP on June 29, a Department of Health spokesperson said: “The social media post contains selectively chosen information taken out of context from the Department of Health factsheet for Clinicians, along with complete inaccuracies.

“In Australia, the benchmark test to diagnose acute COVID-19 infection is called a polymerase chain reaction (PCR) test. This test is very sensitive and detects tiny fragments of genetic information that are specific to the virus that causes COVID-19. The factsheet is actually dealing with COVID-19 positive people continuing to test positive after the infectious period has passed. It is true that the PCR may still result in a positive test, because of remaining non-infectious viral load within the patient.”

The spokesperson stressed the PCR test for COVID-19 is designed specifically for SARS-CoV-2: “Real time reverse-transcriptase polymerase chain reaction (qRT-PCR) for SARS-COV-2 is specific to SARS-COV-2 and will reliably detect SARS-COV-2 RNA whether the virus is viable or not. The specific test for SARS-COV-2 will not detect other pathogens. Specific tests for other pathogens will not detect SARS-COV-2.”

Professor John Mathews, an epidemiologist at the University of Melbourne, also told AFP in an email dated June 29: “The claim that the PCR test cannot distinguish Covid from other viruses is FALSE, as the RNA is specific for each virus, and the PCR test for covid virus will not give a signal with swabs from people infected with other viruses.”
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Read the full story here.
 
I've noticed a lot of people are taking the population of the United States and dividing that by COVID-19 related deaths and coming up with the "death rate." Although that does put into perspective that the virus isn't deadly - and no one (should) have ever disputed this - that doesn't accurately reflect the fatality rate and definitely not the mortality rate (yes, they're different.)

It's a big stretch from being infected with moderate to critical symptoms and death. The two biggest concerns are not the fatality rate, alone. One is, if too many people get sick all at the same time, our medical infrastructure can't handle it. Then we will, undeniably, have more deaths that could have been avoided. Two, and this should go without saying, the elderly population and people with certain underlying conditions are at greater risk for severe or critical complications from COVID-19.

So, the question is, what's the issue? The damage to the economy? Being forced to wear masks? Fearmongering - and if so, be specific? What exactly is being debated, or is the whole point to try to frame numbers to tell everyone what we already know: the virus, itself, isn't deadly for the majority of our population?

In my opinion, it's a spectrum of variables that need to be weighed and somewhere in the middle is a compromise of social distancing and other risk mitigation factors to opening the economy back up as quickly and as intelligently as possible.
 
JGrimez said:
0.26% mortality rate.

The average age of people dying it from it is older than the average for life expectancy.

If you're scared of this virus and support lockdowns then you watch too much MSM.
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You were replying to me when you said this, I just wanted to clarify that the post you replied to was me replying to yepyep's claim that the virus isn't even real.

empeebee said:
...And now it looks like C19 has even longer lasting effects

How Covid-19 can damage the brain
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20200622-the-long-term-effects-of-covid-19-infection

Major study into long-term health effects of COVID-19 launched in the UK
https://www.nihr.ac.uk/news/major-s...-effects-of-covid-19-launched-in-the-uk/25200

THE LONG-TERM HEALTH EFFECTS OF COVID-19
https://www.gavi.org/vaccineswork/long-term-health-effects-covid-19

ah, FFS. Seems logical though, partial oxygen starvation of the brain (via blood oxygen levels) is bound to kill off some cells.
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Ask CFC about it, he still can't smell or taste and has brain damage (related to word recall) as a result of getting covid. Or maybe he's lying about it because he's a CIA Deep State asset?

Deru said:
Being forced to wear masks?
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Dear god, not a mask! I draw the line at putting cloth over my mouth and nose in public! That's basically Communism!
 
The issue I take with these videos, is although they do have some accurate information, they mix in some misleading data and summaries as well. Not just these videos, but anyone pushing these viewpoints.

Let's take a look at another statistic used, inaccurately, to prove what we already know - the virus isn't deadly - but still reframing data nonetheless. There is something called case fatality rate (CFR) and infection fatality rate (IFR). The CFR is what we all know to be fatality rate, it's just a simple calculation of deaths divided by confirmed cases. It's a number constantly in flux, especially in the earlier days, so it's not the best number to cite - but when an unknown virus spreads, it's the only one to work with. The CFR is only as good as the testing can be, it's only confirmed cases. The IFR is a model, that tries to predict deaths divided by actual infections. This is where the CDC more than likely came up with the 0.26 percent number, and as of yet still have not confirmed it as far as I know.

Another one is taking the current COVID-19 death count, and then assuming there won't be one more death for the rest of the year, and using that number to compare it to deaths of influenza and others per year. When you're dealing with a virus that has such a high r naught, the deaths will continue to rise. So, why don't they at least try to predict how many deaths there will be yearly instead of using a blatantly false and misleading number?

Finally, let's discuss hydroxychloroquine. Why does no one who keeps saying how good it is, fail to mention the fact that it's high success comes when it's given prior to severe symptoms? That creates a big dilemma, and even the author of the study who found success with hydroxychloroquine, concedes this point and specifically says it does not mean the other studies were wrong (the ones who found no success with it). It's like taking what we already knew, and then reframing the data to something it's not to further strengthen one's viewpoints. The problem with this, is the person is relying on the fact that no one will ever fact check or be able to discern what's correct. Not to mention, hydroxychloroquine needs to be given under continual medical care due to it's problems with the cardiovascular system, which is ultimately why the CDC removed it's emergency authorization. It's a catch 22, for hydroxychloroquine to be truly effective, it needs to be given as a preventative medicine - but by it's own nature it can not realistically (or safely) be used like that.
 
CFC said:
For anyone interested in another random anecdote ;) I've only recovered a little of my sense of smell/taste in the 3 months since I lost it (and what I can taste now - eg mint/spearmint toothpaste - often tastes weird or horrible/disgusting) and I was left a little brain damaged. Specifically, I struggle to retrieve words, especially nouns (anomic aphasia) and find what should be fairly simple logic problems and basic mental arithmetic (adding, dividing etc) completely beyond me or a real challenge. Fingers crossed things will improve in time, but these aren't symptoms you read about often so hopefully it was just my bad luck and/or a symptom aggravated by my ARB (heart) medication.
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That is very scary I hope you are well. Please see a doctor. Oddly enough the taste of cilantro changed for me. If it is cooked it tastes like dish soap smells, if it is raw it tastes more fresh and not like dish soap smells.
 
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