Social Justice Black Lives Matter Discussion Thread

[alasdairm]

the left argued for bodycams for police hoping to catch an endless stream of police brutality but it showed the opposite that police the vast majority of time follow protocol and do an effective job

and it's not possible that they've curbed their shitty behavior because they know they're now being recorded?

alasdair

 

[JGrimez]

and it's not possible that they've curbed their shitty behavior because they know they're now being recorded?

Hey that's highly likely and definitely a good thing. Which is why I found it bizarre that some people would be arguing to remove them....
Police Body Cameras Can Threaten Civil Rights of Black and Brown People, New Report Says
Unfortunately for the Left it's usually about a narrative and not always doing what's right (or best for everyone).

 

[TheLoveBandit]

George Floyd doesn’t get to rise from the dead. That is a hard fact no one can refute.

I'm not sure anyone tried to refute it. Cops kill people, it's a 'hard fact'.

The officer that killed him would probably have gotten away with another slap on the wrist if it had not been documented.

We shall see how the system handles his specific case in the coming months/years.

Debatable. 20-30y ago I'd agree there was likely a lot more instances where cops killed someone and it either wasn't known, or was covered up, or wasn't prosecuted. In the past 20y? There's been enough, with visibility by the public, to where it can't happen without someone knowing, where it can't be covered up, and it will be investigated and prosecuted if unwarranted. That was my point.

 

[PriestTheyCalledHim]

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[TheLoveBandit]

So this hurt the BLM narrative because it was a black guy killing a white girl.
But can you believe the judge telling the media not to film his face?

Leftists accuse black driver who killed white Seattle protester of being a ‘white supremacist’

 

[alasdairm]

Nobody is going to miss him!

what an incredibly callous thing to say

these are george floyd's brothers - they're not going to miss him?

this is his niece - she's not going to miss him?

this is his 6 year old daughter gianna - she's not going to miss him?

alasdair

 

[PriestTheyCalledHim]

It is not callous, it is true and a bitter pill for you to swallow. Violent criminals like George Floyd and Michael Brown are completely useless to society and despite the 'gentle giant' lies by the media and their families-does George Floyd's daughter know he broke into homes and threatened to murder a pregnant woman, somehow I doubt it?, nobody is surprised-least of all them when they are shot by police, put into chokeholds, or treated like the scum they are. The same goes for John Wayne Gacy, the Columbine shooters, and Jeffery Dahmer.

Do you know any former or current police officers? Their job is not easy and they have to approach criminals like George Floyd who have a history of violence with caution as they have no idea if the criminal will pull out a gun and shoot them. If you attack a police officer or go for their weapon, pull out a weapon or look as though you are going to, do not be surprised when you get shot. Race does not matter.

 

[alasdairm]

it's true? ok, please walk me through how you know his kids and other family will not miss him?

Do you know any former or current police officers?

yep - i know a couple of ex-officers and i have a friend in sacramento who currently serves in the sac pd. not sure why that's relevant (unless you were hoping i would say no so you could tell me i don't know what i'm talking about).

alasdair

 

[PriestTheyCalledHim]

Being an Indian punjabi we are taught to first get an education and failing that to work hard. We mostly have strong family bonds but in my community, you are considered worthless if you can't put food on the table. Now I fucked up in school but after getting kicked out of continuation school my old man gave me a choice get on the truck try again at education or get the fuck out. There was no other choice and even though I spent decades in addiction I had that work ethic plus the support of my mom and brothers that the most important thing a strong family bond. If I neglected or walked out on my kids I would have no Punjabi talk to me because if I can't be loyal to my kids how could I be loyal to anyone else. Hard work and family is the best way out of poverty we had nothing handed to us can not just blame racism for holding people back you have to get of your arse and work hard and instill there is no easy life work hard now and rela a little when you retire

That is very true. I know Tamil and other Dravidians who have the EXACT same mentality, or as one told me when I told her about watching the very old film Salaam bombay! and about homelessness and drug use in India and said, 'If someone does not want to become educated, or work hard, etc. That is their choice and they can go live and beg in the street.'

What are drugs like in India? My friend said most people in India do not use them but when I asked her about this she joked that 'we south Asians discovered or invented hashish or marijuana!' she and my other Tamil friends have never used hash, consumed bhang, etc. and do not or rarely drink alcohol.

 

[JGrimez]

this is his 6 year old daughter gianna - she's not going to miss him?

George Floyd didn't support his family. He was a typical irresponsible criminal.
In fact after he died there was so much money raised for the family that in his death he did way more for their security and support.

 

[alasdairm]

^ which doesn't address the issue we're discussing.

she's not going to miss him?



"[he] loved his daughter. he was always a great dad." (roxie washington floyd)

oh wait. i am a fool. floyd isn't actually dead and all these people have been coached by the deep state, right?

alasdair

 

[PriestTheyCalledHim]

George Floyd didn't support his family. He was a typical irresponsible criminal.
In fact after he died there was so much money raised for the family that in his death he did way more for their security and support.

All of that money raised for the Floyd family will be spent very fast by them, given to non-profit orgs or political/terrorist racist hate groups like black lives matter and used as a tax write off and pocketed by the people who run those organisations and groups.

 

[PriestTheyCalledHim]

it's true? ok, please walk me through how you know his kids and other family will not miss him?


yep - i know a couple of ex-officers and i have a friend in sacramento who currently serves in the sac pd. not sure why that's relevant (unless you were hoping i would say no so you could tell me i don't know what i'm talking about).

alasdair

You answered your own question here.

 

[alasdairm]

^ i don't understand your point but it doesn't matter.

All of that money raised for the Floyd family will be spent very fast by them, given to non-profit orgs or political/terrorist racist hate groups like black lives matter and used as a tax write off and pocketed by the people who run those organisations and groups.

none of which has happened but don't let that stop you from making more unsubstantiated claims.

you seem almost happy that he's dead...

alasdair

 

[PriestTheyCalledHim]

^ i don't understand your point but it doesn't matter.


none of which has happened but don't let that stop you from making more unsubstantiated claims.

you seem almost happy that he's dead...

alasdair

It is not unsubstantiated, what I described is basically what happens if you've been paying attention.

I am neither happy or sad. He was a violent criminal, so the way he died should not surprise anyone.

He was not the saint the racist black supremacist hate group and others make him out to be, and anyone who breaks into someone's home and threatens to kill someone is an awful person.

It is atrocious how much money people donated because of George Floyd.

The gofundme is at almost 15 million dollars. For a single family. That same amount of money could have helped so many impoverished young black generations get a college or university diploma or even basic necessities but people decided to give that bunch of money to one family.

In the gofundme description it's written that:

This fund is established to cover funeral and burial expenses, mental and grief counseling, lodging and travel for all court proceedings, and to assist our family in the days to come as we continue to seek justice for George.

I can't find any single phrase that states they will do justice or fight for equality with that money. The worst is that they received so many donators that defend all this bullshit but somehow decided that the best way to fight for racial equality is to give a bunch of money to a single family? What about the poor kids in ghettos?

This is why I find all these blm movements hypocrites. The human race has achieved a new social ideology filled with duality, hypocrisy and self-hatred. We see white women and men "sacrificing" themselves saying they are responsible for the racism so they can feel "included" in the modern world and these social revolutions. This is wrong. These are weak people that don't have identity. We need to fight as equals. Stop victimizing yourselves and other people. I believe nothing will change because, as always, it's all a charade to propel the politic warfare that poisons America's soil and many European countries too - I'm only ashamed at how people divert 15 million dollars to a single family when millions are hungry right now.

Floyd Mayweather already paid for the funeral, with a gold casket. It was indoors with thousands. And was supported by the same people who said it was illegal for you to have a funeral for your own family members, because COVID was too dangerous.

George Floyd Casket: Cost, Open or Closed, Who Paid For Promethean Golden Coffin? | The Courier Daily

George Floyd Golden Promethean Casket: Who paid for It? Was it open or closed? Is George Floyd still alive? Read interesting facts about Floyd's Death.

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[DopeM]

Civilized Lives Matter. All else is self-serving chicanery.

Fuck those uncontacted indigenous tribes right?

 

[Deru]

Well yea if you look at the post before mine one of the founders is stating directly "we are trained Marxists".

In my humble opinion, I think when she used that term in 2015, I don't think she truly understood what it meant or meant it in the context taken currently. It's also worth mentioning that she was responding to criticism that they didn't have an ideological foundation to begin with. I think it's more revealing that the criticism were correct, instead of trying to stretch what she said that into what it is right now. I also think it's evolved from 2015, things change. But, as I've said before, it really all comes down to I do question their leadership sometimes.

He doesn't wanna make change in their favor. Why did he draft bills to lock up blacks in the past? His racism comes through consistently in his senile ramblings.
He's paying lip service now but it is amusing for me to see the Left supporting Biden who is objectively worse than Trump in many areas which they claimed they had serious problems with - like racism and sexual assault.

I get what you're saying - and I even acknowledged all of that in my response. My whole point, though, is don't go after the guy who just may be able to help you currently.

 

[yubacity]

That is very true. I know Tamil and other Dravidians who have the EXACT same mentality, or as one told me when I told her about watching the very old film Salaam bombay! and about homelessness and drug use in India and said, 'If someone does not want to become educated, or work hard, etc. That is their choice and they can go live and beg in the street.'

What are drugs like in India? My friend said most people in India do not use them but when I asked her about this she joked that 'we south Asians discovered or invented hashish or marijuana!' she and my other Tamil friends have never used hash, consumed bhang, etc. and do not or rarely drink alcohol.

Weed just grows wild but you hardly see any buds instead they oil their hands rub the plant up and down and get charass or what we call hash. My state of Punjab has been going through a heroin epidemic for the past 20 years and prescription drug abuse is rampant because you can just get any drug from pharmacy nobody checks for a prescription. We Punjabis are known as big drinkers and have opium use like poppy pods or raw opium going back generations. north India and the northeast has a big heroin problem in the south like where your friends from its different. My wife is American and my drug use effected her obviously it did but never financially. Every country has racism but places like the US and UK we have prospered because we value education hard work and family above all else. My father was an alcoholic never missed a day's work beat the shit out of me and my brothers but he prospered first in the UK than in states despite never going to school after the age of 16 after fighting in war orf 71 between India and Pakistan he came UK then US. If an uneducated Punjabi could do it anyone can. The problem I think in the black community is the breakdown of family units. I hate my father for his coldness and his beatings but he provided and I take the best from my wife's white culture and the best of Punjabi culture. I believe more should be spent on kids from poor backgrounds but there has to be some parental responsibility as well to teach kids work ethics and the merits of education. My granddads cousin was a opium addict and his father never arranged a marriage for him because he chose drugs and that his choice kicked him out of home and never gave him his inheritance like what you just said that his choice he can go beg on streets harsh but thats how it was back in india

 

[PriestTheyCalledHim]

Weed just grows wild but you hardly see any buds instead they oil their hands rub the plant up and down and get charass or what we call hash. My state of Punjab has been going through a heroin epidemic for the past 20 years and prescription drug abuse is rampant because you can just get any drug from pharmacy nobody checks for a prescription. We Punjabis are known as big drinkers and have opium use like poppy pods or raw opium going back generations. north India and the northeast has a big heroin problem in the south like where your friends from its different. My wife is American and my drug use effected her obviously it did but never financially. Every country has racism but places like the US and UK we have prospered because we value education hard work and family above all else. My father was an alcoholic never missed a day's work beat the shit out of me and my brothers but he prospered first in the UK than in states despite never going to school after the age of 16 after fighting in war orf 71 between India and Pakistan he came UK then US. If an uneducated Punjabi could do it anyone can. The problem I think in the black community is the breakdown of family units. I hate my father for his coldness and his beatings but he provided and I take the best from my wife's white culture and the best of Punjabi culture. I believe more should be spent on kids from poor backgrounds but there has to be some parental responsibility as well to teach kids work ethics and the merits of education.

Yes my friends from the subcontinent, who are from Kerala and Tamil-Nadu said how the northern states like Punjab have issues with hard drugs, addiction, etc. and told me how a lot of opium and heroin is either easily produced there or comes from nearby south and inner Asian countries. My friend from Kerala once smoked weed but just said how he did not like how it made his mouth taste like silver, and I think he took MDMA once. A relative of his just gave him a pill and he took it, but he was more into drinking. He said how the MDMA or ecstasy-if that is what the pill really was-just made him feel powerful and he felt like he could sort of understand how other people experience themselves in regards to their own self esteem. I have never taken MDA, MDMA, or any drugs like it so I have no idea if MDMA does this? My friends who took MDA in the 1970s said how it was sort of trippy like a low or dose of LSD sort of without the mindfuck LSD gives, but with mild visuals, and a lot more stimulating like a low dose of amphetamine.

The breakdown of family units is a problem. A black American friend of mine blames a lot of the bad behaviour of rioting, stealing, looting, or joining gangs and running wild on single mothers who try their best but when a kid, teen, or young adult becomes a certain age they will rebel or sometimes fight with their family. My friend was raised by parents who told him to get an education, work hard, and if he had ran wild in the streets, stolen, damaged property, etc. they would have been very angry at him or basically have told him, 'stop this nonsense now or else'

 

[JoEhJoEh]

I don't understand the Thread-Title. Is it really necessary to discuss something? Black lifes matters as well as white and yellow and green lifes matters.

But WTF happened there is unbelievable, that's for sure.

JJ