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JGrimez said:
Sounds like you want to disregard the constitution. Anyone who feels that way should leave the US.
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Or lock them up.

Did you know that the Civil Rights Group is currently is sueing Trump for unconstitutionally tear gassing non violent protesters?

“The Lafayette Square assault amounts to unconstitutional and unlawful state-sponsored violence perpetrated against nonviolent civil rights activists. The actions of the government caused harm and were intended to chill the speech and right to assembly of people exercising constitutionally protected rights. This lawsuit is about defending rights that lie at the heart of our democracy.”
 
JGrimez said:
Sounds like you want to disregard the constitution. Anyone who feels that way should leave the US.
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I thought conservatives had progressed a little , but that sounds like straight up "love it or leave it" GWB era bullshit.
 
I don't know, Mal. Maybe he's right ( and I do get your point .) Just for the sake of correctness, that saying goes back a lot further. I was told that in the 60's and stuck around and tried to change things from the inside. You know, by the rules.

I've been thinking an awful lot about moving down to Mexico where my wife has family (she is from Mexico) and we would have a support system. I speak Spanish fluently, abiet with a Gringo accent.

I've grown awfully tired of the way America has evolved. It's not getting any better, nor do I anticipate any change of direction that is coming soon.
 
White_Rose said:
I don't know, Mal. Maybe he's right ( and I do get your point .) Just for the sake of correctness, that saying goes back a lot further. I was told that in the 60's and stuck around and tried to change things from the inside. You know, by the rules.

I've been thinking an awful lot about moving down to Mexico where my wife has family (she is from Mexico) and we would have a support system. I speak Spanish fluently, abiet with a Gringo accent.

I've grown awfully tired of the way America has evolved. It's not getting any better, nor do I anticipate any change of direction that is coming soon.
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EVOLUTION/AMERICA.. there's a path covered with needles, sadly.
 
White_Rose said:
Be very careful! Think for yourself, not what is being shoved down your throat by the News Media. They have been bought and sold and do not actually tell the truth; not for several decades now.
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Big Media - Wikipedia

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Those that run the corporations also run the newsmedia. They want a Communist society that they can control most efficiently. That's why Antifa is such a convenient tool.

Antifa sounds like a positive thing so we will identify with it. Hey, nobody wants fascism! We're all anti-fascist! They're like us!

But where is the fascism they're supposedly fighting? No armed force was deployed to suppress them. They were allowed to throw molotovs and destroy public property and even annex public property largely unopposed. It's all rather silly if you put in the bother to really think about what's actually going on.
 
w01fg4ng said:
Did you know that the Civil Rights Group is currently is sueing Trump for unconstitutionally tear gassing non violent protesters?

“The Lafayette Square assault amounts to unconstitutional and unlawful state-sponsored violence perpetrated against nonviolent civil rights activists. The actions of the government caused harm and were intended to chill the speech and right to assembly of people exercising constitutionally protected rights. This lawsuit is about defending rights that lie at the heart of our democracy.”
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Cool, whether he actually did violate their constitutional rights is another story.
The irony is I'd bet most of those peaceful protesters would approve of restricting Trump's constitutional right to free speech.

If anyone here has a problem with the constitution - what is it specifically that you take issue with?

Because I have problem with elected officials violating and circumventing the constitution in order to restrict the rights of and arguably oppressing the entire population. So imo it's not a problem with the document it's the implementation of it.
 
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If anyone here has a problem with the constitution - what is it specifically that you take issue with?

Because I have problem with elected officials violating and circumventing the constitution in order to restrict the rights and arguably oppressing the entire population. So imo it's not a problem with the document it's the implementation of it.
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Agree 100%
 
Part of what I struggle with is that they seek to destroy that which gives them a voice. Other countries wouldn't put up with this or allow them to speak and act as they have. America has provided them those rights like any other American, and they seek to both destroy America as it is and/or secede to their own country. For the socialists in America, the opportunity exists to go to those other socialist countries, with less of a fight to change those around you WHILE leaving the rest of us who like America to enjoy it as non-socialist. The Antifa group....is there a place they could go that follows their beliefs? Because they will find that while many Americans see room for improvement of America, we all define it differently and have to work together on a shared change of direction. Their approach versus the way America functions, one or the other will kill to survive (ideaology, not genocide).

I believe they'll find this exercise in Seattle will prove they are ill equipped to survive without America. Then they will find they must abandon this concept and rejoin, or leave. But the irony of their dependence, while seeking independence when they cannot overthrow, is too rich.

Perhaps the concept of communes can exist which accommodate this philosophy AND exist within the US borders, but they will remain dependent upon the US regardless. I wonder how they square that in their heads.
 
Ah, I see now, Seattle was intended to be the first, with other revolts across the country to follow suit. I apologize these links are all from redstate.com (obvious bias inherent), but it's how I came across them elsewhere:

Occupy 2.0: Nashville Trying to Set Up the Next Radical Autonomous Zone

TN passed a law after the Occupy movement to make it a misdemeanor to camp out on the public space. Gov says it won't last and has troopers standing by.


Here Comes the Chicago Effort at an Autonomous Zone, But Someone Didn’t Plan Very Well

But now they also tried one at the University of Chicago, with students staging a sit-in the lobby of the campus police headquarters, demanding the police be defunded.

But this was actually pretty hilarious. The police locked the doors so they they couldn’t get out and no food could get in. They were furious that the pizza they had ordered couldn’t get in and they had no food or bathrooms. Someone apparently didn’t plan this effort very well. Police said they could leave to eat or go to the bathroom but then they couldn’t get back in. So they had to set up a tent in the back of the area to go to the bathroom in. In just a few hours, they are already the poopy Occupy.
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How It’s Done: Asheville, NC Protesters Attempt an Autonomous Zone, Police Immediately Dismantle It (Watch)

As my RedState colleague Nick Arama reported, the attempts in Nashville and Chicago by protesters to set up “autonomous zones” similar to the one that was set up in Seattle in the aftermath of the death of George Floyd have not gone so well.

The situation Friday night in Asheville, North Carolina was no different. Except in this case we have videos of the police department actually dismantling the encampment not long after occupiers in the area attempted to set it up.
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Asheville is known as the “Seattle” of North Carolina, with Raleigh not being far behind. But unlike Seattle, Asheville police officers do not mess around in these matters, as evidenced by what took place last night.

There are murmurings on social media that another attempt at setting up an “autonomous zone” in Asheville will be made tonight. We’ll see how that turns out.
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TheLoveBandit said:
For the socialists in America, the opportunity exists to go to those other socialist countries, with less of a fight to change those around you WHILE leaving the rest of us who like America to enjoy it as non-socialist.
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Uhh, how do you figure this?

I see this line of thought a lot, that if you don't like it you should just leave, as if every other country is just waiting for Americans to immigrate to them.

Sure immigrating somewhere else isn't impossible, and some people are born with multiple citizenship, but it's not like you can just fly off to some European country, and when customs asks you why you're there, saying "oh I just love your more socialist values so I decided on your behalf to live and work here now!"
 
w01fg4ng said:
So you don't have an opinion on Trump's idea of our constitutional rights?
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I covered this in the other thread. While I don't agree with Trump wanting to go to the church for the photo op at that moment, he had the right to do so.
Trump wasn't violating those peoples' right to protest, he was clearing a way through them for his safety. After he was done they were free to whine protest again in the same place.
This event was the typical blowing shit out of proportion in a desperate attempt to make Trump look bad (or worse in this case).

JessFR said:
Uhh, how do you figure this?

I see this line of thought a lot, that if you don't like it you should just leave, as if every other country is just waiting for Americans to immigrate to them.

Sure immigrating somewhere else isn't impossible, and some people are born with multiple citizenship, but it's not like you can just fly off to some European country, and when customs asks you why you're there, saying "oh I just love your more socialist values so I decided on your behalf to live and work here now!"
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Americans are extremely lucky for the fact that their passport affords them almost the most travel freedom out of any country.
There are 195 countries in the world (196 if you count the CHAZ - not to be confused with CHAD).
If they don't like the foundations of the USA - then yes they have 194 other places to try to see if they like it better.
That's actually the problem IMO, a lot of these people have never left the US so they don't know exactly how good they've got it compared to a lot of other places.

That doesn't mean that the US doesn't have serious problems which needs to be addressed and fixed.
But there's a big difference between police reform and defunding the police which is one example of why this movement loses legitimacy.
 
JGrimez said:
Americans are extremely lucky for the fact that their passport affords them almost the most travel freedom out of any country.
There are 195 countries in the world (196 if you count the CHAZ - not to be confused with CHAD).
If they don't like the foundations of the USA - then yes they have 194 other places to try to see if they like it better.
That's actually the problem IMO, a lot of these people have never left the US so they don't know exactly how good they've got it compared to a lot of other places.
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Soooo, what, if you don't like America you should go be an illegal immigrant? Is that what you're saying?

You can't just go and live and work indefinitely in those 194 countries. Your passport let's you travel to them... As in, visit as a tourist for a few months. You can't just on your own authority decide to live there indefinitely.

Going to live indefinitely in a country you aren't a citizen of is actually quite a difficult proposal.

For the record I do actually think defunding the police is a childish proposal. But saying to people to just go live somewhere else isn't much better.
 
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We can't all get what we want.
But look at how many shitty countries there are around the world where people don't even have freedom of speech. They would love to emigrate to the US because even with all its flaws it's still a great place that affords its citizens many freedoms. It also accepts some of the highest numbers of immigrants from overseas (I believe Canada/Australia accept the most - two countries that are also often labeled "racist").
Yea it's not exactly easy to emigrate but it is definitely possible (look at how many people have done it already).
It would actually be ironic if it was more difficult for an American to leave then it would be for an immigrant overseas to get permanent residency in the US.
 
"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." Martin Luther King JR.
 
Civil rights we have fought for and still fight for today largely occur because of our ability to look at ourselves and objectively criticizes problems and take responsibility for them. It's a bottom-up solution because we've seen what little the top will do for us when given the choice.
 
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