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Police Brutality Thread

It's only complicated because you have to do mental gymnastics to somehow reconcile the narrative that George Floyd's life is more important than another black person who was killed by a protester/rioter.

Except that's not what I was doing. Things in life are complicated. Human beings are complicated. No matter how much you want to make this binary, it can't happen.

So either keep an open mind or continue on with your closed mind and severely flawed filters.

I'm sure you will continue with the latter.
 
*yawn* another radical leftist who cannot critically assess information.

I know your anger issues prevent you from fully reading a post before your typical knee jerk responses to posts you think you disagree with.

But I lean slightly right, I am not a leftist and definitely not a radical left.

So, again, try again.

Take a breath, read all the words in a post, get some anger management, and stop trying to take a collective whole of words out of context to argue nonsense to try to further illustrate your flawed views.
 
Studies show that conservatives read both conservative and liberal news while liberals only read their own.
I've undoubtedly noticed a pattern of leftists attacking the leanings of a source to discredit them when it reports on something they don't like.

And I've noticed a pattern of every extreme right person who quotes these studies and uses the same line when they are in too much denial to accept what someone is putting right in front of their face. Interesting how that works, hey?

I have reached with you what I call the "loop of stupidity." So, I'll let you keep running circles in that loop. Enjoy.
 
Just because you say something doesn't mean I have to believe it.

Except that's not what I was doing. Things in life are complicated. Human beings are complicated. No matter how much you want to make this binary, it can't happen.
So either keep an open mind or continue on with your closed mind and severely flawed filters.
You can't just say "things are complicated, keep an open mind, that's why you're wrong".
Explain why it's so complicated?

But I lean slightly right, I am not a leftist and definitely not a radical left.
lol good one. You're a funny guy.

And I've noticed a pattern of every extreme right person who quotes these studies and uses the same line when they are in too much denial to accept what someone is putting right in front of their face. Interesting how that works, hey?
I really don't know what you're trying to say here. Adieu.
 
I feel bad for the protesters.

But they're out there putting themselves and their own families at risk right now. This isn't an ordinary protest, it's a massive public gathering in the middle of a historic epidemic. Star Trek is cheesy but relevant: "The wind does not respect a fool".

SARS-CoV-2 doesn't care if you're right. It doesn't care how many centuries your family has been oppressed. It will kill your dad anyway. It's a virus. It's not even alive. It exists for the sole purpose of killing people. Like hurricanes and earthquakes, it's not fair or moral or just, and you can't argue with it.

I'm not looking forward to seeing how many people die after these protests, but it's a safe bet that the coronavirus will take many more innocent lives than the cops have this past week.


A new, massive number of CoVID-19 cases resulting from asymptomatic carriers in crowds of protesters is a concern for me as well. Social distancing isn't really an option in a massive march or die in...
 
I have to admit it's a little satisfying to see record numbers of guns being bought mostly by first-time buyers including many who would've previously argued for gun control.
The people who lived in this bubble of invulnerability thinking that the government was their friend and would always make sure that the police were able to be sent around to protect them if someone was to harm them.
Those people didn't give a fuck about others who knew how important and real were the reasons for them wishing to own a gun for self-protection.


Maybe they mean overall as a concept, which is simply protecting yourself and your family but extrapolated to a higher level against an organized government as opposed to an individual attacker.
A lot of people would own a gun and never use one and that's how they'd prefer it. But what we're learning now is that it's better to have one and not need one than the opposite.


The reason you don't understand now is because you never bothered to try and understand previously (or you considered the reasons preposterous). You constantly adhere to black and white thinking and deliberately ignore nuance. Most people in America right now want the National Guard to quell the riots (a small % want the military). People don't want military on the streets but they also understand somewhat where this civil unrest is coming from. If Trump sent out troops to seize people's guns then they would rise up and fight back.


If the government tried to seize all guns you might be surprised how many people would rather fight and die than let that happen.


Why do you think it's crap? 262 million people were murdered by their own governments just last century. That's historically documented. What kind of fake bubble of reality have you placed yourself in to think that we've somehow transcended the terror of history and have evolved into some new species where this couldn't happen again?


Look at how many regimes disarmed their populations before they went full-Hitler and then go listen to the rhetoric of some Democrats on gun control. Your logic is completely flawed but at least you're pro-gun. The biggest impediment to a totalitarian government taking over (pick up a history book) is a well-armed citizenry.


You have the right to leave yourself completely defenseless but I do wonder why some people wish to force that situation onto others? You want every decent individual to be equally fucked?


It's annoying how people constantly conflate protesters with rioters.
Peaceful protesting (even if people have been misled by deceptive media) should be allowed.
Unfortunately sometimes the only way to deal with rioters is by a show of force. The people that are destroying the lives of good, normal people need to be stopped.
That rioter who shot and killed that young black woman by indiscriminately firing into a crowd - how would you go about stopping someone like that?


My intention was not to conflate the two, although, in retrospect, my terrible choice of phrasing did exactly that. What I meant was more violence against peaceful protesters will result in more protesters in the streets. Any time there is widespread civil unrest, there will always those opportunists who don't care about the cause, no matter how righteous the cause may be. Those opportunistic individuals only care about how they can personally gain.
 
You can't just say "things are complicated, keep an open mind, that's why you're wrong".
Explain why it's so complicated?

To be honest, I would have been happy to go more in depth and have a civil discussion about it. But, the issue I have is you have now taken two of my posts, quoted certain portions of it to take it out of context, and then argued against it when

a. I was somewhat saying the same thing to begin with

and

b. To further push your views

So, forgive me to think this question isn't baited.

is anyone confused as to why a couple of weeks ago people were being arrested for going outside and now the same groups are promoting mass gatherings?

Wait, what do you mean the same groups?

If you're saying what I think you're saying, you do understand human beings continually weigh a complex set of variables to consider risk to reward, right?

Again, life and human beings aren't so abstract. You want this all to be binary and your arguments are so biased and short sighted, and you argue dirty because of it.
 
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I know this is CNN, but the media biases shouldn't matter in this case.

In the past couple days

A military advisor has resigned due to Trump's threatening of using the military against it's own citizens, and using excessive force in D.C. to just do his photo op - in front a church, no less, who's owner was furious. He also wrote a letter to Secretary of Defense Esper with his views.

Today, Esper himself broke with Trump and says he doesn't agree with it.

And now, former Secretary of Defense Mattis just tore into Trump as well.

Mattis tears into Trump: 'We are witnessing the consequences of three years without mature leadership'


These are significant public shows of defiance against President Trump and his flawed views and poor leadership by top officials on his own administration. This means something.

This fear that our government is going to overtake is somewhat ridiculous if you think of how our country was founded and all the provisions we have in our constitution to prevent against this from happening.
 
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If you want to know what's really going on:
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*yawn* another radical leftist who cannot critically assess information.
Studies show that conservatives read both conservative and liberal news while liberals only read their own.
I've undoubtedly noticed a pattern of leftists attacking the leanings of a source to discredit them when it reports on something they don't like.
The explanation as to how burning down an affordable housing complex scheme or projects, supermarkets, and local businesses owned by black Americans or non-European (white) Americans, is a righteous backlash against the myth of systematic racism is gonna be a good one.

It's hard to blame systematic racism when the neighborhood was destroyed by the people that live in it.


There is no widespread bias or systemic racism in America's police forces. This is backed by studies from Harvard, MSU and Univ. Of Maryland.

Blacks are 24% LESS likely to be shot and killed by police than blacks. While non-blacks are more likely to experience use of force that isnt fatal.

Districts with a higher proportion of black police officers, have higher proportions of blacks shot by police. This is due to simple demographics.

Police are more likely to shoot non-blacks first before being attacked than blacks.

Fatal shootings broken down by race trend with violent crime by race.

Young black men commit homicides at 10 times the rate of white and Hispanic young men COMBINED.

The George Floyd incident was wrong, and the officer deserves to face the consequences of his actions, as it was killing.

But you are not going to read this in most of the media in the USA but George Floyd was not innocent he would rob people on the street, break into homes, and was a violent criminal.


But every other officer shouldn't have to pay for the actions of one man. The vast majority of officers are just normal people like you and me, with families they would like to go home to.

With that being said, he has been arrested and is facing charges, what purpose does the rioting, looting, and destruction serve? None.

This isnt about George Floyd, or equality, fighting racism, police brutality, etc. it never was. It is about selfish, racist, and destructive people looking for a reason to be selfish and destructive. The death of a man is no excuse to brutally beat, stab, shoot, and kill others or destroy businesses. It is about continuing to push a false narrative that racism is still rampant in the United States. Does it still exist? Yes, unfortunately. Is it as widespread as the media would like you to believe? I don't think so. White on black incidences become national headlines, while all others are pushed to the side because they don't fit the narrative, or 'people of colour'-why is this incredibly racist and outdated term promoted by non-Europeans? It is akin to how American blacks, Asians, and latinos promote actual racism by getting deeply offended by their silly micro-agressions or someone using the wrong pronoun all while calling each other actually racist terms like the n-word, 'people of colour', promoting racial segregation, or even claim that people who are biracial, mixed race, have a lighter complexion are not 'really' black African, Latino, Asian, etc.

We can't fight real racism if we keep trying to make everything else about race. It's like the boy who cried wolf. Sometimes it's just about bad people doing bad things.
 
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If you're saying what I think you're saying, you do understand human beings continually weigh a complex set of variables to consider risk to reward, right?



Honestly, if you don't find this strange..... then we're existing in different realities
 

Honestly, if you don't find this strange..... then we're existing in different realities

Like with anything taken out of context, yes. Human beings and their behaviors, and the constructs we live in, are complex. What more can I say?

The priority and importance of these protests is currently being weighed more important than the risk of the SARS-CoV-2 virus and infection - keep in mind, most of these people protesting are not the people who would be considered high risk for severe or critical complications from COVID-19 to begin with.

Again, many variables are being weighed. It's not an excuse, a justification, or me taking sides. It's an unbiased fact of human behavior.

Interpret that as you will.

It's also worth mentioning that as antibody testing has become more widely available, we were already starting to see the fatality (not mortality) rate drop due to the massive amount of people who were infected and were asymptomatic.

As more evidence and data becomes available, better evidence based decisions can be made. No one can see the future - you, me, the media, Donald Trump, no one.
 
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I wouldn't say that's a safe bet at all. These protests might just expose the fake corona-chan hype. Also why does everyone suddenly not give a crap about social distancing?
If you want to put your beliefs to the test, current estimates of the pathogenesis of COVID-19 suggest that the Chauvin-Floyd spike should start around June 10, with deaths starting to pile up around June 17.

This isn't a bet I'd be happy to win.
 
What more can I say?
That we're being lied to and programmed/directed.

The priority and importance of these protests is currently being weighed more important than the risk of the SARS-CoV-2 virus and infection - keep in mind, most of these people protesting are not the people who would be considered high risk for severe or critical complications from COVID-19 to begin with.
This is poppycock compared to what we've all been told for the past few months. This is in fact the EXACT OPPOSITE of what we've been told is acceptable.
How does protesting for BLM become more important than spreading the disease and everyone dying?
Does this mean we can only ignore social distancing laws when we're protesting for black rights specifically? What if I want to hold a protest for Falun Gong?
Can we all just ignore social distancing laws and go back to work?

Blacks are 24% LESS likely to be shot and killed by police
Yes because the killing of a black person can become so politically charged, cops on the whole will actually be more hesitant before shooting a black suspect.
They shoot a white person, nobody in media cares there's no uproar, so they can more easily wipe their hands and call it a day.
Remember Vegas, the worst mass shooting in US history? Haven't heard anything about that at all. It was just a whole bunch of white people that died. Police have still yet to find a motive.



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If you want to put your beliefs to the test, current estimates of the pathogenesis of COVID-19 suggest that the Chauvin-Floyd spike should start around June 10, with deaths starting to pile up around June 17.

This isn't a bet I'd be happy to win.

Let's pray that you're not but let's say you're correct - wtf are our leaders doing encouraging gatherings, protests and even vandalism?
 
That we're being lied to and programmed/directed.

This response pretty much sums up the issue here. Is it more likely we're being lied to in some large scale attempt to brainwish our country and program us or your inability to understand the information provided, which resulted in this self defense mechanism response?

This is poppycock compared to what we've all been told for the past few months. This is in fact the EXACT OPPOSITE of what we've been told is acceptable.

I have a hard time discussing things with you. Recently, new data has emerged. Beyond that, many, many variables have changed. Your inability to be flexible doesn't change that. What we knew three months ago does not apply to today, nor is it acceptable to compare then to now.

How does protesting for BLM become more important than spreading the disease and everyone dying?

Who said anything about everyone dieing? The survival rate has always been hovering around 95 percent or more. For the majority of these protestors and their age group, it's closer to 100 percent.

Does this mean we can only ignore social distancing laws when we're protesting for black rights specifically? What if I want to hold a protest for Falun Gong?

No, again, it depends - it's weighing many variables. Someone's inability to understand this concept doesn't change this fact of reality.

One person doesn't decide these things - a majority of people does. So, no, you, alone, as one person can not do whatever you want. The ratio of law enforcement to you is not in your favor. That's the beauty of how our country works and the massive amount of people protesting, the majority is now saying "This is no longer acceptable." And when that happens, if government wants to keep society operating smoothly, they have to listen and change the system.

This is our country operating as intended.

Can we all just ignore social distancing laws and go back to work?

As of right now, no, not everyone. In some cases, for the majority, going to work is still deemed more risk than reward, in certain cases. It's a spectrum. Some people can still work, when the variables are weighed and it is deemed necessary. Hence the reason for most states using phases to open their economy.

As much as you need things to be binary, they are not. There are thousands of complex, interconnected variables for sometimes what can seem like a simple subject. Trying to over simplify things becomes a problem in itself.

If there is one constant in life, it is change. Be adaptable and be ready to evolve, our society and our species relies on it.
 
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Hence the reason for most states using phases to open their economy.
What is the point of opening the economy in phases if you're just going to let everyone gather, protest and/or loot en masse in the street?
Which phase is that??

As much as you need things to be binary, they are not. There are thousands of complex, interconnected variables for sometimes what can seem like a simple subject. Trying to over simplify things becomes a problem in itself.
Maybe you're right. Because 'protest one black guy's death' over 'super deadly virus pandemic' makes absolutely zero sense.
You're not able to explain it to me at all but I am glad that you are here to tell me that it's a super duper complicated situation.
I'll just let the experts handle it all while they literally gaslight the entire world population.

If there is one constant in life, it is change. Be adaptable and be ready to evolve, our society and our species relies on it.
I actually agree with this statement and I appreciate you answering my questions I really do.
But now in this context either I am going crazy or you are completely insane.
 
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