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This will likely be my last public post here. I have better things to do with my time.

Read this paper and understand what it means and what it implies, it is highly important.


finally a thought.

The people never give up their liberties but under some delusion.
Edmund Burke

Good luck people. Remember to use your brain and floss regularly

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As expected those here with a surfeit of hubris will criticize and strut and posture without actually bothering to read the link. Sekio your posts reveal that you are really not as smart or informed as you think you are, Jess FR, neither are you. Your smugness and unwillingness to go beyond cursory examination is stifling the very thing that enables science to exist.
Enjoy your Bluelight echo chamber. You will continue to find the world outside is a scary and confusing place. Shelter in place bluelight moderators, be happy to be legends in your own minds.

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YOUR BONUS IS A MANDATORY DINNER WHERE YOU COULD GET COVID-19?

Oh god if I was a lawyer I'd call CNN and make a slam news piece.

Employers who expose workers to covid-19 risk imprisonment where I live.
Wish I could do something, and not worry about losing my job and not be eligible for unemployment:/

I don't trust anything out of Kentucky. :poop:
Hey now that is not nice to say! Louisville isn't all that bad. Now I agree Louisville University sucks.
 
Read this paper and understand what it means and what it implies, it is highly important.

It's a review paper. Ho hum. "All models are wrong, some models are useful" seems to be apropos. People need to base decisions off of SOMETHING, and at the initial breakout of an epidemic information is not exactly in wide supply. I would actually be more concerned if someone came up with an eerily accurate model that predicted infections and mortality, actually - statistics says that most predictive models will not track reality 1:1, especially in complex multivariable systems.

It drives me insane seeing people claiming "Initial predictions showed MILLIONS of deaths! Massive economic collapse! After implementing all these social distancing measures and shutting down the country, WHERE'S ALL THE DEATHS, HUH??? Why did we bother shutting anything down if it wasn't going to be that big of a problem!" and smearing the predictions as either predicting too many deaths (and hence resulting in a tighter lockdown) or not predicting enough (due to a lack of sufficient testing). This is absolutely a situation where I would want to err on the side of more restrictions if I were a national health minister. Like any other disaster, response will be most effective if you're prepared for the worst.

It's like, we're damned if we do, damned if we don't. Had the governments ignored all advice and proceeded as normal, we would undoubtedly be seeing much more chaos and mortality than we see today. Yes, the total economic shutdown and social limitations are bothersome, but the economy would have been ten times as mangled if we were dealing with a widespread infection. Back of the napkin math: 30% of the US infected at 5% lethality = 5 million deaths. And who knows how many more would be sick enough to be unable to work.

It is also humorous to note that all the people who are itching to have massive parades and celebrations to "re-open" their cities are ignorant of a similar scenario which happened after the first wave of Spanish Flu in the late 1910s. People decided that their initial efforts to supress infection were all that they would need, re-opened the city, and immediately managed to produce a second wave of influenza infections. It doesn't help that many of the people protesting and demanding lifting of social distancing measures are in the older demographic (and often foolishly brave - "So what if I'm 80 years old, I lived through [whatever], I'll be fine now" - 3 weeks later the family gathers and watches Grandpa gasp his last breath in the ICU...) The only time it will be truly safe is after the disease dies out naturally (very unlikely), an antiviral agent (or multi-agent therapy) is discovered to cure existing cases, or a working vaccine is discovered.

And the attitude that this is all some sort of giant population control racket / New World Order conspiracy to force vaccinations, to that I can only say, go back to playing Deus Ex. That's the only place you're gonna find Illuminati influence behind an engineered disease and its vaccine.
 
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Trump's admin really needs to try and keep him out of these press briefings and put him up in a room. Just give him a tv so he can watch it live on Fox and a phone so he can give commentary and shout outs to his fans over twitter to keep him occupied.


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"All models are wrong, some models are useful" seems to be apropos these days.

It drives me insane seeing people claiming "Initial predictions showed MILLIONS of deaths! Massive economic collapse! After implementing all these social distancing measures and shutting down the country, WHERE'S ALL THE DEATHS, HUH??? Why did we bother shutting anything down if it wasn't going to be that big of a problem!"

It's like, we're damned if we do, damned if we don't. Had the governments ignored all advice and proceeded as normal, we would undoubtedly be seeing much more chaos and mortality than we see today. Yes, the total economic shutdown and social limitations are bothersome, but the economy would have been ten times as mangled if we were dealing with a widespread infection. Back of the napkin math: 30% of the US infected at 5% lethality = 5 million deaths. And who knows how many more would be sick enough to be unable to work.

It is also humorous to note that all the people who are itching to have massive parades and celebrations to "re-open" their cities are ignorant of a similar scenario which happened after the first wave of Spanish Flu in the late 1910s. People decided that their initial efforts to supress infection were all that they would need, re-opened the city, and immediately managed to produce a second wave of influenza infections. It doesn't help that many of the people protesting and demanding lifting of social distancing measures are in the older demographic (and often foolishly brave - "So what if I'm 80 years old, I lived through [whatever], I'll be fine now" - 3 weeks later the family gathers and watches Grandpa gasp his last breath in the ICU...) The only time it will be truly safe is after the disease dies out naturally (very unlikely), an antiviral agent (or multi-agent therapy) is discovered to cure existing cases, or a working vaccine is discovered.

And the attitude that this is all some sort of giant population control racket / New World Order conspiracy to force vaccinations, to that I can only say, go back to playing Deus Ex. That's the only place you're gonna find Illuminati influence behind an engineered disease and its vaccine.

Yep, it's like seeing someone with their house on fire and telling them "we need to get that fire out or you'll almost certainly lose your whole house!"

So you put out the fire, then they go "now my house is all wet! And it's still standing! You drenched my house with water for nothing!".

I'm just... So.. So grateful to live in australia right now. Really I've done a total 180 on how I've felt for the longest time. Never have I felt more fortunate to be able to live here.

I just wish I could get my remaining family in America over here. :(
 
Wish I could do something, and not worry about losing my job and not be eligible for unemployment:
Talk to your congressmen.

Call Trump and pals. Giving away N95 masks is like the only way in hell he'll get re-elected. And it's going to happen.

The ridiculous media is like "he's 7 percent behind Biden."

DID WE LEARN NOTHING FROM 2016?

Can't you get the sniffles and be like "I might have the flu"....

I mean I'd play that card like a thousand times as needed.

But I totally sympathize with the people who have to work and need the $. :( <3
 
I. too. am thankful to live in a reasonably sane Commonwealth country (Canada). It does make me an ignorant Canuck who knows nothing of what goes on in the US, apparently, but I don't seem to notice.

Trump's admin really needs to try and keep him out of these press briefings and put him up in a room.

Lock him in a room with a dozen MILF pr0n DVDs and a big screen TV (or his daughter, eugh), a few cases of Sudafed/diethylproprion/methamphetamine or whatever stimulant he's on these days, and a liter of Jergens, and you won't hear from him for a good 24 hours I'd say.

If you're reading thisd, Trumpy boy: sounds like now would be the time to start with Dr. Henderson's Cure for HIV of The Soul (patented as US20140039420A1).

Abstract: A Life-Saving Innovation which utilizes Mind controls/Voice activated Satellite Technology to cure HIV disease of the Soul. Body Scans before and after the process demonstrated that Souls/Agents were cured of HIV The Souls should be a Visible Image. The Satellite—Transforms the Soul into an Invisible Image; performs a series of three Aromatizations; mobilizes materials such as water and a specialized washing solution for the procedure; rinses the Soul with water for two minutes; washes the Soul for three minutes; rinses the Soul for three minutes; performs a series of three Materializations; transforms the Soul into a Visible Image; drys the Soul with heated air at a low velocity for further disinfection. The invention is ten minutes in duration and is usually curative in two treatments; once per consecutive day. Can be performed anywhere in the world. This invention is a “Must-Have.”

Bet you it would work for COVID, too. Would do about as much good as any other therapy. And it's patented, so obviously must be good. (I wonder what it's like to have your soul washed? I would imagine smoking Salvia would be the equivalent of having your soul dry-cleaned. Maybe DMT is more of a sudsy hand wash. And 5-MeO-DMT would be the "heavy duty" cycle.)
 
sekio why isn't the flu shot mandatory

why aren't they going to make the covid19 shot mandatory

I'd make vaccinations mandatory in most cases, just like voting in elections.

Probably get called a facist too. But I figure it's simpler to just make that shit mandatory. It should be no different than hearing you got a physical.
 
Whilst I seriously doubt that any Bluelighters are stupid enough to be Trump supporters, if there are any out there now is the time to wake the fuck up to what an absolute retard your fuckin president really is.

"Perhaps we can look into injecting disinfectant as a cure for coronavirus". Fuckin genius. How come the world's greatest scientific minds didn't think of that one..?
 
"Perhaps we can look into injecting disinfectant as a cure for coronavirus". Fuckin genius. How come the world's greatest scientific minds didn't think of that one..?

Because the greatest scientific mind unfortunately didn't go into science.

No really I bet that's how trump sees it. :p
 
New York antibody study estimates 13.9% of residents have had the coronavirus, Gov. Cuomo says


KEY POINTS
  • An estimated 13.9% of the New Yorkers have likely had Covid-19, according to preliminary results of coronavirus antibody testing released by Gov. Andrew Cuomo on Thursday.
  • The state randomly tested 3,000 people at grocery stores and shopping locations across 19 counties in 40 localities to see if they had the antibodies to fight the coronavirus, indicating they have had the virus and recovered from it.
  • With more than 19.4 million people residents, the preliminary results indicate that at least 2.7 million New Yorkers have been infected with Covid-19
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An estimated 13.9% of the New Yorkers have likely had Covid-19, according to preliminary results of coronavirus antibody testing released by Gov. Andrew Cuomo on Thursday.

The state randomly tested 3,000 people at grocery stores and shopping locations across 19 counties in 40 localities to see if they had the antibodies to fight the coronavirus, indicating they have had the virus and recovered from it, Cuomo said.

With more than 19.4 million residents, according to U.S. Census data, the preliminary results indicate that at least 2.7 million New Yorkers have been infected with Covid-19.
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While Covid-19 deaths across the state have begun to level off, the “number of lives lost is still breathtakingly tragic,” Cuomo said. The state’s mortality rates remains persistently high, at 7.4% with at least 19,453 fatalities and 263,754 confirmed cases, according to data compiled by Johns Hopkins University. The antibody testing indicates that the actual death rate is far lower, less than 1%, Cuomo said.

I believe, as more states get more random sample data like this, we'll find the death rate is below 1%
 
I'd make vaccinations mandatory in most cases, just like voting in elections.

Probably get called a facist too. But I figure it's simpler to just make that shit mandatory. It should be no different than hearing you got a physical.
they want to regulate my sex/love life, my freedom...but won't make religious idiots get the shot.

it kills me slowly on the inside and is living proof to me there's no god. :|

New York antibody study estimates 13.9% of residents have had the coronavirus, Gov. Cuomo says




I believe, as more states get more random sample data like this, we'll find the death rate is below 1%
YES AND THERE'S LIKELY A SIMILAR %AGE OF CALIFORNIANS IN THE BIG CITIES W/ COVID EXPOSURE

I'm glad someone is believing this isn't like OMG LOCKDOWN WORKED SO WELL.

IT DIDN'T WORK FOR CHINA and the whole world TRIED this stupid bullshit anyways. It makes me furious. I'm already VOLUNTARILY staying home quite a lot over this shit do you think MAKING people do things works better than asking nicely FFS.

Even Trump understood that bit...
 
Young and middle-aged people, barely sick with covid-19, are dying from strokes

Doctors sound alarm about patients in their 30s and 40s left debilitated or dead. Some didn’t even know they were infected.

by Ariana Eunjung Cha | Washington Post | 24 April 2020

Thomas Oxley wasn’t even on call the day he received the page to come to Mount Sinai Beth Israel Hospital in Manhattan. There weren’t enough doctors to treat all the emergency stroke patients, and he was needed in the operating room.

The patient’s chart appeared unremarkable at first glance. He took no medications and had no history of chronic conditions. He had been feeling fine, hanging out at home during the lockdown like the rest of the country, when suddenly, he had trouble talking and moving the right side of his body. Imaging showed a large blockage on the left side of his head.

Oxley gasped when he got to the patient’s age and covid-19 status: 44, positive.

The man was among several recent stroke patients in their 30s to 40s who were all infected with the coronavirus. The median age for that type of severe stroke is 74.
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As Oxley, an interventional neurologist, began the procedure to remove the clot, he observed something he had never seen before. On the monitors, the brain typically shows up as a tangle of black squiggles — “like a can of spaghetti,” he said — that provide a map of blood vessels. A clot shows up as a blank spot. As he used a needlelike device to pull out the clot, he saw new clots forming in real-time around it.

“This is crazy,” he remembers telling his boss.

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Stroke surge

Reports of strokes in the young and middle-aged — not just at Mount Sinai, but also in many other hospitals in communities hit hard by the novel coronavirus — are the latest twist in our evolving understanding of its connected disease, covid-19. Even as the virus has infected nearly 2.8 million people worldwide and killed about 195,000 as of Friday, its biological mechanisms continue to elude top scientific minds. Once thought to be a pathogen that primarily attacks the lungs, it has turned out to be a much more formidable foe — impacting nearly every major organ system in the body.

Until recently, there was little hard data on strokes and covid-19.

There was one report out of Wuhan, China, that showed that some hospitalized patients had experienced strokes, with many being seriously ill and elderly. But the linkage was considered more of “a clinical hunch by a lot of really smart people,” said Sherry H-Y Chou, a University of Pittsburgh Medical Center neurologist and critical care doctor.

Now for the first time, three large U.S. medical centers are preparing to publish data on the stroke phenomenon. The numbers are small, only a few dozen per location, but they provide new insights into what the virus does to our bodies.

Coronavirus destroys lungs. But doctors are finding its damage in kidneys, hearts and elsewhere.

A stroke, which is a sudden interruption the blood supply, is a complex problem with numerous causes and presentations. It can be caused by heart problems, clogged arteries due to cholesterol, even substance abuse. Mini-strokes often don’t cause permanent damage and can resolve on their own within 24 hours. But bigger ones can be catastrophic.

The analyses suggest coronavirus patients are mostly experiencing the deadliest type of stroke. Known as large vessel occlusions, or LVOs, they can obliterate large parts of the brain responsible for movement, speech and decision-making in one blow because they are in the main blood-supplying arteries.

Many researchers suspect strokes in covid-19 patients may be a direct consequence of blood problems that are producing clots all over some people’s bodies.

Clots that form on vessel walls fly upward. One that started in the calves might migrate to the lungs, causing a blockage called a pulmonary embolism that arrests breathing — a known cause of death in covid-19 patients. Clots in or near the heart might lead to a heart attack, another common cause of death. Anything above that would probably go to the brain, leading to a stroke.

Robert Stevens, a critical care doctor at Johns Hopkins Hospital in Baltimore, called strokes “one of the most dramatic manifestations” of the blood-clotting issues. “We’ve also taken care of patients in their 30s with stroke and covid, and this was extremely surprising,” he said.

Many doctors expressed worry that as the New York City Fire Department was picking up four times as many people who died at home as normal during the peak of infection that some of the dead had suffered sudden strokes. The truth may never be known because few autopsies were conducted.

Chou said one question is whether the clotting is because of a direct attack on the blood vessels, or a “a friendly-fire problem” caused by the patient’s immune response.

“In your body’s attempt to fight off the virus, does the immune response end up hurting your brain?” she asked. Chou is hoping to answer such questions through a review of strokes and other neurological complications in thousands of covid-19 patients treated at 68 medical centers in 17 countries.

Thomas Jefferson University Hospitals, which operates 14 medical centers in Philadelphia, and NYU Langone Health in New York City, found that 12 of their patients treated for large blood blockages in their brains during a three-week period had the virus. Forty percent were under 50, and they had few or no risk factors. Their paper is under review by a medical journal, said Pascal Jabbour, a neurosurgeon at Thomas Jefferson.

Jabbour and his co-author Eytan Raz, an assistant professor of neuroradiology at NYU Langone, said that strokes in covid-19 patients challenge conventional thinking. “We are used to thinking of 60 as a young patient when it comes to large vessel occlusions,” Raz said of the deadliest strokes. “We have never seen so many in their 50s, 40s and late 30s.”

Raz wondered whether they are seeing more young patients because they are more resistant than the elderly to the respiratory distress caused by covid-19: “So they survive the lung side, and in time develop other issues.”

Jabbour said many cases he has treated have unusual characteristics. Brain clots usually appear in the arteries, which carry blood away from the heart. But in covid-19 patients, he is also seeing them in the veins, which carry blood in the opposite direction and are trickier to treat. Some patients are also developing more than one large clot in their heads, which is highly unusual.

“We’ll be treating a blood vessel and it will go fine, but then the patient will have a major stroke” because of a clot in another part of the brain, he said.

The 33-year-old

At Mount Sinai, the largest medical system in New York City, physician-researcher J Mocco said the number of patients coming in with large blood blockages in their brains doubled during the three weeks of the covid-19 surge to more than 32, even as the number of other emergencies fell. More than half of were covid-19 positive.

It isn’t just the number of patients that was unusual. The first wave of the pandemic has hit the elderly and those with heart disease, diabetes, obesity or other preexisting conditions disproportionately. The covid-19 patients treated for stroke at Mount Sinai were younger and mostly without risk factors.

On average, the covid-19 stroke patients were 15 years younger than stroke patients without the virus.

“These are people among the least likely statistically to have a stroke,” Mocco said.

Mocco, who has spent his career studying strokes and how to treat them, said he was “completely shocked” by the analysis. He noted "the link between covid-19 and stroke is one of the clearest and most profound correlations I’ve come across.”

“This is much too powerful of a signal to be chance or happenstance,”
he said.

In a letter to be published in the New England Journal of Medicine next week, the Mount Sinai team details five case studies of young patients who had strokes at home from March 23 to April 7. They make for difficult reading: The victims’ ages are 33, 37, 39, 44 and 49, and they were all home when they began to experience sudden symptoms, including slurred speech, confusion, drooping on one side of the face and a dead feeling in one arm.

One died, two are still hospitalized, one was released to rehabilitation, and one was released home to the care of his brother. Only one of the five, a 33-year-old woman, is able to speak.

Oxley, the interventional neurologist, said one striking aspect of the cases is how long many waited before seeking emergency care.

The 33-year-old woman was previously healthy but had a cough and headache for about a week. Over the course of 28 hours, she noticed her speech was slurred and that she was going numb and weak on her left side but, the researchers wrote, “delayed seeking emergency care due to fear of the covid-19 outbreak.”

It turned out she was already infected.

By the time she arrived at the hospital, a CT scan showed she had two clots in her brain and patchy “ground glass” in her lungs — the opacity in CT scans that is a hallmark of covid-19 infection. She was given two different types of therapy to try to break up the clots and by Day 10, she was well enough to be discharged.

Oxley said the most important thing for people to understand is that large strokes are very treatable. Doctors are often able to reopen blocked blood vessels through techniques such as pulling out clots or inserting stents. But it has to be done quickly, ideally within six hours, but no longer than 24 hours:

“The message we are trying to get out is if you have symptoms of stroke, you need to call an ambulance urgently. ”

As for the 44-year-old man Oxley was treating, doctors were able to remove the large clot that day in late March, but the patient is still struggling. As of this week, a little over a month after he arrived in the emergency room, he is still hospitalized.

 
No, or at least I haven't seen that suggested anywhere. If anything what I've seen suggests the reverse, that smokers are more inclined to have a more severe course of the disease.
Sources?

My point that if it turned out that smokers were less likely to get it, it may still be the case that if you did get it as a smoker, you may be more likely to have it worse.
I'm just conjecturing, the data is still so early, it's hard to know.
Yes you are conjecturing and making leaps of logic based on past programmed beliefs.
However this doesn't surprise me at all, I've spoken about the benefits of tobacco (and the lies that come along with it) for many years.
How would tobacco smoking reduce the chance of acquiring a disease that attacks the lungs?
If you know then you know..

Who’s behind the ‘reopen’ protests?
People with common sense who wish to go back to work and realize that this virus hype is being exaggerated or downright fabricated.

^btw the articles you post are absolutely terrible MSM propaganda.

Yep, it's like seeing someone with their house on fire and telling them "we need to get that fire out or you'll almost certainly lose your whole house!"
More like someone just lit a match and you're yelling at them telling them their entire house is about to burn down.

I'd make vaccinations mandatory in most cases, just like voting in elections.
Probably get called a facist too.
Yes you are fascist and you're anti-human rights. Do you think adult individuals should have the right to choose what to do with their own bodies?

It's funny that some groups have been shrieking (incorrectly) about Donald Trump being a fascist for years. But now when there's talk of him possibly implementing a fascist policy these same people are all for it.

I believe, as more states get more random sample data like this, we'll find the death rate is below 1%
It's looking more like (as I've stated for a while now) the mortality rate is going to end up around 0.1% (like a seasonal flu).
But what's fucking infuriating about this is that when it happens all these zombies are going to say "see, the lockdowns worked!"
"uhh but the models they used to justify the lockdowns turned out to be wildly inaccurate"
"that doesn't matter because the lockdown saved so many lives!"
 
Do you think adult individuals should have the right to choose what to do with their own bodies?

Confidentially, I don't trust many people to manage to tie their shoes correctly these days. People still believe in homeopathy. Other people still kill each other over who has the best imaginary friend. When it comes to healthcare, decisions are best if made by educated and informed individual(s), of which there seem to be a deficit. Given the relationship between most people and their GPs (the doctor's word is tha of the LORD) ... well, they're already making the tough choices in most doctor-patient relationships. It's not too far to imagine the doctors being granted the power to vaccinate people as needed in the interest of public health.

You say martk of the beast, facism, and such. I say public health benefits.

Practically, but there's limits. Let's say we're neighbours. I respect your right to maintain your property as you deem appropriate, but if you were to construct a humongous open cesspit, with klaxons blaring 24/7 at 200 decibels, and start breeding wolverines on your property, I would argue you crossed a line somewhere.

Likewise, my thoughts on vaccines is strictly utilitarian. I think that vaccinations, esp. in children, should be mandatory (but provided at no cost) to everyone who can reasonably be expected to tolerate it. Exemptions would be granted in extreme cases of physical frailty, immune deficiency, or evidence of severe hypersesnsitivity reaction. Exemptions for religious or "personal" objections would be denied. I would consider making immunizaions mandatory for attendance at public schools (as is already done in Manitoba/Ontario/New Brunswick here in Canada) The ethical calculus works out such that vaccinating a majority of the populance, even with the small percentage of reactions, is greatly outweighed by the potential death toll from doing nothing. Vaccinating some is better than vaccinating none, but best results are only seen when the percentage of vaccinated individuals is fairly large.

I have a little bit of a personaI reason I am such a fan of vaccination. Once, sitting in a hospital waiting room, I had the ill fortune of hearing a child who must have had pertussis (whooping cough.) I'm still haunted a little by the unnatural sounds as the little boy hacked and gasped and wheezed to get whatever oxygen he could through the gunk clogging his little lungs and the spasm of his diaphragm. I only heard the poor soul for a few minutes at most, but after reading that it goes on, and on, and on - it's sometimes known as the 100-day cough - I wouldn't wish that on anyone. What a fucking way to suffer (and potentially die). In this light a slight discomfort, possibly mild fever and an itchy spot on your deltoid (alternatively, a lollypop and a gold star sticker) is incomparably more humane to subject a child to. A cheap appeal to emotion, maybe, but for real, put this on loop for half an hour and see how you feel (nsfw for suffering: case of pertussis in a very young infant girl). For a double gut punch you could imagine that was your daughter. And it was a preventable disease. I would be beside myself with angst if I ever avoided vaccinating my children - either from inaction or out of some foolish belief that the risks were somehow worse than the disease -and they had to suffer with months of unrelenting, wheezing and coughing with pertussis. (They'll actually give little children morphine to stop the pain and coughing. Morphine, in a little infant...)

(Oh, wait, you're a believer in the whole vaccines-never-cured-anything-and-also-poison-people racket, right. Thankfully this is just the thoughts of a drug addled psychedelic ranger on his personal blueprint for an ideal world.)

I also like the Australian law which makes voting in federal elections mandatory. And make election day a paid holiday. Seems the correct thing to do. I believe that a democracy works best if everyone participates. (Do you also have an issue with making voting mandatory? Is that facist, too?) In fact, I'd expect it the combination of the two factors would mobilize a massive amount of electors who usually don't vote out of apathy or inability to schedule time off work.

But what's fucking infuriating about this is that when it happens all these zombies are going to say "see, the lockdowns worked!"

Well, you're kind of fucked either way. Had the coronavirus spread like wildfire through the population as people conducted business as ususal, we'd be hearing no end about how tragic a disaster it was. Now that measures are in place to control the transmission of SARS_COV2 and the rate is slowing, instead it's deemed too excessive, and the coronavirus not enough of a hzarad to warrant any of these measures.

So which is it? You can't have both, a disease with an R0 of 3+, persistance on hard surfaces, high infectivity, no pre-existing immunity, an incubation period in the Goldilocks zone (not too short and rapid as it would kill the host before they could spread it, but not too long reamining dormant and not spreading either) and transmission via respiratory actions - but simultaneously have it not be considered a threat, and infect nobody at all (assuming life as usual.)

Studies are showing that SARS-COV2 can cause dysfunction of the blood's clotting mechanism, causing cases of pulmonary embolisms, ischemic stroke, deep vein thrombosis, and such.(ref1)(ref2) in people who are unusually young for such things to happen (people in their 30's and 40's). It also can cause alterations in the senses of smell and taste.(ref1)(ref2) Both effects are unusual and make me thankful that the social distancing is in effect.

"uhh but the models they used to justify the lockdowns turned out to be wildly inaccurate"

Can you provide an accurate one? Do you have access to data that the major health agencies of the world don't? Are you familiar wih a statistics saying: "All models are wrong, except some models happen to be useful?"

Of course, you're Larry Contrary, so no matter what, I'm wrong, no doubt. People can't even come up with a consistent spooky conspiracy story. Was the virus caused by someone eating a bat? Having sex with a bat? Maybe a pangolin? Or was it engineered by the Wuhan labs? Or was it the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation? Intentional release, accidental release, or coincidence? Why even release it in Wuhan initially? Is the virus meant to be a "big kahuna" eugenic agent for population control, or is it the vaccine that's meant to do that instead? It could be both too, I guess. Or wait, was it meant to target the HK democracy protestors? Or an underhanded attack by the CCP on the USA? It's either lethal to everyone, a lethal to only old people, nothing more than a mild flu, or actually inactive (and all the COVID cases are just other diseases, to inflate the numbers and spook people). As to why a government would want to inflate its death counts and ensure an economic and social shutdown, beats me. Donny knows I bet.

My simple brain will believe the CDC/WHO/Health Canada statements, and peer reviewed journals, when it comes to information regarding SARS-COV2. You may say it'd an appeal to authority, however I say a health authority is highly appropriate as a source of information. It's more accurate than the totally unsubstantiated twitter rumors, and has a reference I can cite too.

I'm gonna play the optimist card and say, all things considered, this was handled about as well as it could be, given the Toddler-in-Chief basically sabotaged any sort of epidemic response teams beforehand (because Obama), and continues to sabotage public health organizations like the fucking World Health Organization.
 
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When it comes to healthcare, decisions are best if made by educated and informed individual(s), of which there seem to be a deficit. Given the relationship between most people and their GPs (the doctor's word is tha of the LORD)
I agree. I've got a list of doctors who are vaccine skeptics and have outlined that vaccines are not properly tested for safety. It's my educated and informed decision that I do not wish to be vaccinated. But you seem to support authorities breaking in, detaining me and then forcibly injecting me with big pharma medicine. So much for individual liberty, fascist.

Can you provide an accurate one? Do you have access to data that the major health agencies of the world don't? Are you familiar wih a statistics saying: "All models are wrong, except some models happen to be useful?"
It's not my job to do so. However if the justification for these lockdowns were based on incorrect models then that needs to be accepted and addressed. This shifting of the goalposts is unacceptable.

A cheap appeal to emotion, maybe
You can say that again.

"If you talk bad in any way about vaccines or point out that they haven't been properly tested for safety THEN YOU WANT BABIES TO DIE!!!!!"
OK mate..

(Oh, wait, you're a believer in the whole vaccines-never-cured-anything-and-also-poison-people racket, right.
Intellectual dishonesty.
Not against the concept of vaccines. Am against misleading people regarding vaccine safety and companies being absolved of liability for injuries they cause.

My simple brain will believe the CDC/WHO/Health Canada statements, and peer reviewed journals, when it comes to information regarding SARS-COV2. You may say it'd an appeal to authority, however I say a health authority is highly appropriate as a source of information. It's more accurate than the totally unsubstantiated twitter rumors, and has a reference I can cite too.
A couple months ago the WHO said that this virus was not transmissible from person to person. That would literally have been your exact stance too since you follow the gospel of the WHO.
I personally don't think it's smart to trust an institution that is often spectacularly incorrect (and is also headed up by a guy who's not only not a doctor but was caught covering up cholera outbreaks in his native Ethiopia).
 
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