Captain.Heroin
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Already predicting a Trump re-election and have been for some years. The China hatred is on all sides of the fence media wise. It's going to play out poorly.
Covid-19 Outbreak of new SARS-like coronavirus (Covid-19)
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Our enemies are executing plays straight out of "the art of war" and they are in fact beating us before ever throwing the first punch. Their covert tactics from afar are aimed at weakening, misinforming and dividing us and our allies.
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So If we speculate about a few of the knowns an even scarier picture comes about.
So the Covid Virus shares characteristics of HIV. HIV attacks the immune system including the T Cells...
"The researchers from the Fudan University in Shanghai, China, and the New York Blood Centre, has studied the virus’s action on T-lymphocyte cell lines. T lymphocytes or T cells work by identifying and eliminating foreign invaders in the body.
To arrive at their findings, published in the journal of Cellular & Molecular Immunology, the team captured a cell infected by the virus, penetrated the membrane, and injected toxic chemicals into the cell. After this, the chemicals killed both the virus and infected cells by tearing them into pieces.
Surprisingly, the team has found that when the coronavirus and the T cell came into contact with each other, the T cell became prey to the coronavirus, wherein a structure in the spike of the coronavirus triggered the attachment of a viral envelope and the cell membrane. After, the genes of the virus entered the T cell and overwhelmed it, took it hostage, and deactivated its ability to protect the body.
The team then tried to do the same with the SARS virus, and another coronavirus, but these pathogens were not able to infect T cells. The researchers suspect that the SARS virus, which caused an outbreak in 2002 to 2003, has a lack of a membrane fusion function. The virus can only infect cells that have a particular receptor protein called the angiotensin-converting enzyme 2 (ACE2). T cells contain only a few ACE2 receptor proteins.
It is an important discovery, knowing the effect of the SARS-CoV-2 on T cells, since this may show why the disease is spreading so quickly, and infecting so many across the globe. It also explains why certain vulnerable populations are at a high risk of dying from the infection, including those who are more than 65, those who are immunocompromised, and those with underlying medical conditions like lung disease, heart disease, diabetes, and hypertension.
Further investigation shows that patients who died from COVID-19 had damage to their bodies similar to both SARS and HIV. Also, the team found that unlike HIV that replicates faulty T cells, the coronavirus does not replicate, showing that the T cells and the virus may end up dying together."
Novel coronavirus attacks and destroys T cells, just like HIV
The immune system has many components that work together in protecting the body from foreign invaders. One of the most important types of immune cells is T lymphocytes or T cells, a type of white blood cell that acts as the core of adaptive immunity, the system that modifies the immune response...
www.news-medical.net
Children are currently doing well against it while older adults are doing worse. Diabetics are named as doing poorly.
The Immune System in the Elderly
What role does the immune system play in age-related diseases?
www.medscape.com
T Cell Repertoire Diversity Is Decreased in Type 1 Diabetes Patients
Type 1 diabetes mellitus (T1D) is an immune-mediated disease. The autoreactive T cells in T1D patients attack and destroy their own pancreatic cells. …
Models Suggest that Declining T Cell Production is the Primary Reason for Age-Related Increases in Cancer Risk
In the open access paper noted here, researchers use modeling to suggest that age-related decline of the thymus, and thus of the immune system, is more important than mutation as a determinant of cancer risk. Cancer is at root caused by mutational damage to DNA. While DNA repair and replication...
www.fightaging.org
Being able to attack our T cells also may explain why people seem to be getting "reinfected"
It also could be really scary for those who seem to be asymptomatic, get mild cases and seem to recover as how long would it take the virus to overwhelm a healthy or ramped up immune system. Aids takes 9-11 years. T cells are of paramount importance and control allot of other immune responses and if they are significantly disrupted could this account for the increase in overall deaths being reported.
This is scary enough, but the thought of an airborne immune attacking virus takes the cake so far.
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Some more scary stuff to consider. Nothing yet relevant as we don't know, but still scary.
Early symptoms of HIV and progression
www.healthline.com
HIV exsposure and test accuracy time schedule. (this is for a blood test, not a swab test like the covid test)
en.wikipedia.org
So much speculation already, but knowledge is power if used right.
Early symptoms of HIV and progression
Early Signs of an HIV Infection: What You Need to Know and Do
When it comes to HIV transmission, it’s important to know the early symptoms. An early HIV diagnosis can help ensure prompt treatment to control the virus.
www.healthline.com
HIV exsposure and test accuracy time schedule. (this is for a blood test, not a swab test like the covid test)
Seroconversion - Wikipedia
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So much speculation already, but knowledge is power if used right.
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That is seriously deluded, like way out there crazy eyed loon stuff. Seriously, seek professional help or find someone to talk to.
but for a minute lets go with your complete insanity, despite strong evidence this virus is not a bioweapon.
how can it be proven?
By a new Colin Powell with a vial of powder at the UNSC a la Iraq, or maybe Bibi with his kindergarten atom bomb a la Iran?
USA attacks China, then it is game over, China can and will retaliate USA is exceptionally badly damaged like 30 to 40 million dead and dying in the first few days. Russia will act rationally and further vaporize the USA and all its allies too because they cannot have USA going rogue nation, America is too well armed, too militaristic and too retarded in general to allow that to happen. The US military is well aware that they get pwned by China and Russia so long as those two work together, US has screwed both China and Russia in living memory and China and Russia are Heartland countries.
Not going to happen
China is not my enemy neither is Russia and based on your performance so far it, it looks pragmatically like people with your mindset are.
All this corona china corona chinky corona china shit plays into jingoistic nationalist nonsense, stuff weak minded individuals are conditioned to lap up, count yourself amngst them.
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jeez, starting your fear porn post with the preamble nothing yet relevent.....but...Some more scary stuff to consider. Nothing yet relevant as we don't know, but still scary.
Early symptoms of HIV and progression
Early Signs of an HIV Infection: What You Need to Know and Do
When it comes to HIV transmission, it’s important to know the early symptoms. An early HIV diagnosis can help ensure prompt treatment to control the virus.
HIV exsposure and test accuracy time schedule.
Seroconversion - Wikipedia
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So much speculation already, but knowledge is power if used right.
doesn't exactly give much faith, but at least you correctly identify that the remainder of your post is irrelevent bullshit.
knowledge is power alright, but a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, leaping to conclusions way beyond any supporting evidence is just plain dangerous. Luc Montagnier is showing clear signs of Nobel Laureate syndrome .
is just priceless, no these people are more likely to die in ANY infection, that is why they are called vulnerable populations.. Those people are also more likely to die in any given time frame PERIOD.
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SunriseChampion
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Like Stalin and Hitler! Oh, wait.....
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nice to see consistency, complete and total deep running ignorance.
Neither Stalin and Hitler were allied against the USA. In case you just plain forgot what happened in www2 the Soviet Union defeated the 3rd Reich, which happened after the collapse of the Molotov Ribbentrop pact.
Your ignorant jingoistic bullshit may get you killed and your country destroyed. not that you getting killed is high on my list of concerns but a bunch of decent people get killed too.
This is not a joking matter, nuclear forces are vulnerable to the wu flu so they are on hair triggers.
thebulletin.org
Neither Stalin and Hitler were allied against the USA. In case you just plain forgot what happened in www2 the Soviet Union defeated the 3rd Reich, which happened after the collapse of the Molotov Ribbentrop pact.
Your ignorant jingoistic bullshit may get you killed and your country destroyed. not that you getting killed is high on my list of concerns but a bunch of decent people get killed too.
This is not a joking matter, nuclear forces are vulnerable to the wu flu so they are on hair triggers.
How nuclear forces worldwide are dealing with the coronavirus pandemic
Nuclear forces around the world are taking precautions in the face of the coronavirus. Whose arsenals are most vulnerable?
thebulletin.org
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SunriseChampion
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What? You ok? You keep going on about jingoistic bullshit. Glad I made the cut. Didn't know I was good enough for something I'm not exactly a part of. Does wonders for the ego...wait, that's not good.
Anyway, that wasn't the point. The point was that two psychopathic authoritarian regimes can only play nice together for so long. Hence the reference to Hitler and Stalin. You even got the part about the Molotov-Ribbentrop waste of time.
Anyway, that wasn't the point. The point was that two psychopathic authoritarian regimes can only play nice together for so long. Hence the reference to Hitler and Stalin. You even got the part about the Molotov-Ribbentrop waste of time.
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they only have to place nice together for 26 minutes, to vaporize canada less than 10 minutes.
rules of the game are not what you think.
I get that you are being sarc, but others might not.
It is relevant as it provides information about the tricky nature of a virus that shares a trait and apparently also attacks T cells. Given we are so in the dark about it I wouldn't be so confident about not being vulnerable. Read up a little on T cells. The virus kills these and they are our immune systems main champion and control many other responses. The way they control the other players is by using Cytokine . What are many of the "invulnerable people" dying from.. significant exposure and cytokine storm.
See what we are looking at is possibilities and correlations so we all might figure out what's really going on, what we are looking at and how best to work through this fucking mess.
I can't even believe I quoted your post or responded to it.. are you on some polar opposite political bender that's driven you to champion your chosen sides ideologies with such rants. GO GETEM TIGER!!
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Miriam Figueroa, a dialysis nurse at the Brooklyn Hospital Center, tended to a patient in the intensive care unit.
An overlooked, possibly fatal coronavirus crisis: the dire need for kidney dialysis
by Reed Abelson, Sheri Fink, Nicholas Kulish and Katie Thomas | NYT | 18 April 2020
For weeks, U.S. government officials and hospital executives have warned of a looming shortage of ventilators as the coronavirus pandemic descended.
But now, doctors are sounding an alarm about an unexpected and perhaps overlooked crisis: a surge in Covid-19 patients with kidney failure that is leading to shortages of machines, supplies and staff required for emergency dialysis.
In recent weeks, doctors on the front lines in intensive care units in New York and other hard-hit cities have learned that the coronavirus isn’t only a respiratory disease that has led to a crushing demand for ventilators.
The disease is also shutting down some patients’ kidneys, posing yet another series of life-and-death calculations for doctors who must ferry a limited supply of specialized dialysis machines from one patient in kidney failure to the next. All the while fearing they may not be able to hook up everyone in time to save them.
It is not yet known whether the kidneys are a major target of the virus, or whether they’re just one more organ falling victim as a patient’s ravaged body surrenders. Dialysis fills the vital roles the kidneys play, cleaning the blood of toxins, balancing essential components including electrolytes, keeping blood pressure in check and removing excess fluids. It can be a temporary measure while the kidneys recover, or it can be used long-term if they do not. Another unknown is whether the kidney damage caused by the virus is permanent.
“The nephrologists in New York City are going slightly crazy making sure that everyone with kidney failure gets treatment,” said Dr. David S. Goldfarb, chief of nephrology at the New York campus of the New York Harbor VA Health Care System. “We don’t want people to die of inadequate dialysis.”
“Nothing like this has ever been seen in terms of the number of people needing kidney dialysis therapy.”
Outside of New York, the growing demand nationwide for kidney treatments is fraying the most advanced care units in hospitals at emerging hot spots like Boston, Chicago, New Orleans and Detroit.
20 to 40 percent of I.C.U. patients with coronavirus suffer kidney failure and need emergency dialysis, according to Dr. Alan Kliger, a nephrologist at Yale University School of Medicine, who is co-chairman of a Covid-19 response team for the American Society of Nephrology.
"Hospitals’ usual supplies are very quickly running out,” he said.
One doctor in New York City, who was not authorized to speak publicly, recalled anguished exchanges with other physicians last week. “You’re yelling at them. You’re telling them you don’t have a dialysis machine to give them. You hear the intensity and the desperation in the other person’s voice,” the doctor said. “My job was hell.”
As the coronavirus spread rapidly in New York and in other cities, governors and mayors clamored for thousands more ventilators. But doctors have been surprised by the scarcity of dialysis machines and supplies, especially specialized equipment for continuous dialysis. That treatment is often used to replace the work of injured kidneys in critically ill patients.
The shortages involved not only the machines, but also fluids and other supplies needed for the dialysis regimen. Having enough trained nurses to provide the treatment has also been a bottleneck. Hospitals said they have called on the federal government to help prioritize equipment, supplies and personnel for the areas of the country that most need it, adding that manufacturers had not been fully responsive to the higher demand.
The fluids needed to run the dialysis machines are not on the Food and Drug Administration’s watch list of potential drug shortages, although the agency said it was closely monitoring the supply. The Federal Emergency Management Agency described the shortage of supplies and equipment as “unprecedented,” and said it was working with manufacturers and hospitals to identify additional supplies, both in the United States and overseas.
“Everybody thought about this as a respiratory illness,” said Dr. David Charytan, the chief of nephrology at N.Y.U. Langone Medical Center. “I don’t think this has been on people’s radar screen.”
The supplies allocated by manufacturers are insufficient, Dr. Charytan said, adding that the hospital switched to another type of machine when it couldn’t get additional equipment it had wanted. “It just doesn’t come anywhere close to meeting the need,” he said.
Early reports out of China suggested a low incidence of kidney damage from Covid-19, although there were some indications that the virus might directly affect the kidneys. As more data emerged from there, and as the pandemic began to take hold in Italy, word began to filter out to the broader nephrology community that many of the most seriously ill patients, those on ventilators, would also require dialysis.
It’s not yet known whether the organ injury results from the virus infecting kidney cells or is a secondary effect of critical illness or the increased tendency for blood clots to form in people with the disease.
"The volume of patients needing dialysis is orders of magnitude greater than the number of patients we would normally dialyze,” said Dr. Barbara Murphy, who is the chair of the department of medicine at Mount Sinai Health System. At her hospital alone, the number of patients requiring dialysis has risen threefold, she said.
The shortages in the United States highlight a lack of planning among state and federal officials to ensue that “hot spots like New York are given preferential access given the sheer volumes,” Dr. Murphy said.
Dr. Murphy said "areas of the country that are planning for a possible surge in the demand for ventilators also need to think about dialysis” and a national distribution system.
Hospitals are now pleading with the major manufacturers to send more supplies. As the coronavirus reached the United States, Baxter and NxStage, owned by Fresenius, placed limits on what hospitals could order to prevent hoarding.
Dr. Michael J. Ross, the chief of the nephrology division at Montefiore Health System in New York, said he "spoke on the phone last Sunday with leaders of a company that produces dialysis supplies, expressing how critical a situation this was for our patients.”
"The call was about getting more machines, filters, pre-mixed fluids and tubing for continuous dialysis," he said.
The two main manufacturers of equipment and supplies for dialysis said orders were up fivefold, and that they were ramping up manufacturing as well as sending equipment and nursing staff to the New York region. Baxter, which is based in Illinois, said it also saw an increase in demand from China and Europe, and was flying in extra products from Europe this weekend.
“The demand spike was so fast and so high,” said Lauren Russ, a spokeswoman for Baxter. “We’re doing everything we possibly can.”
On Friday, Fresenius announced it was creating a national supply of machines that can be moved from place to place. “We are committed to supporting hospitals with continuous supply, particularly in markets most heavily impacted, so that patients can get the care they need,” said Bill Valle, the chief executive of Fresenius Medical Care North America in Massachusetts, in a statement.
Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo of New York was asked at his briefing on Thursday about hospital reports indicating that dialysis machines were in short supply. Dr. Howard Zucker, the state’s health commissioner, said “there are not shortages across the board,” and Mr. Cuomo said that hospitals in need of equipment would get it.
In a statement, José E. Almeida, Baxter’s chief executive, said that the company was trying to prioritize the delivery of products “where they are most needed — hospitals that are being overwhelmed by an influx of patients who are critically ill from Covid-19.”
At Columbia University Irving Medical Center, Dr. Donald Landry, the chair of medicine, directly contacted Mr. Valle of Fresenius when other efforts failed and the situation grew desperate. While Dr. Landry said he was appreciative that the company responded by sending more machines, supplies and dialysis nurses, he described the experience as a warning to better prepare. “New York City gave us a glimpse of when a system comes up right to the edge,” he said.
Dr. Joshua Rosenberg, an attending physician in the intensive care unit at The Brooklyn Hospital Center, said on Thursday that he was "seeing acute kidney injury in a wide range of patients, beyond those who were predisposed to kidney disease because they had high blood pressure or diabetes."
Miriam Figueroa, a dialysis nurse at the hospital, went from patient to patient on Thursday, providing three-hour dialysis treatments in a Covid-19 intensive care unit set up in a former chemotherapy infusion unit.
Some patients in the I.C.U. had developed acute kidney injury. They were receiving emergency dialysis through a vein in the neck, including one hospital staff member.
Ms. Figueroa said that as the need for dialysis for critically ill patients increased, the dialysis service had coped by moving machines and supplies from outpatient clinics to the inpatient wards. “We have to pull machines to do bedside dialysis", she said, “so there are less patients that can be done as an outpatient.”
More than a dozen of the hospital’s roughly 240 patients in its outpatient dialysis clinic have died of Covid-19, according to Dr. Priyanka Singh, one of the attending nephrologists. People with chronic kidney disease may be particularly vulnerable.
Doctors are also employing alternative types of dialysis.
Some New York hospitals, including N.Y.U., Montefiore and Weill Cornell, that are in short supply of the more specialized dialysis machines — needed for what is known as continuous renal replacement therapy — have turned to peritoneal dialysis. It is typically used in patients with chronic kidney disease who want to treat themselves at home. The treatment is not always optimal in hospital patients, especially in those whose conditions are less stable, but “we are trying to give patients something,” Dr. Charytan said.
One problem with peritoneal dialysis in the context of Covid is that it requires putting a catheter in a patient’s abdomen. That makes it difficult to use in those with failing lungs who need proning, a technique in which patients are rolled onto their stomach to help them take in oxygen. Some hospitals, including Montefiore, are placing the catheter toward the patient’s side to help with the problem.
Some hospitals are also struggling to find enough nurses and technicians to provide dialysis, especially after some who were most skilled at providing the therapy fell sick with the virus themselves. “We did lose nurses to illness,” Dr. Murphy of Mount Sinai said. “We’re just getting some of those nurses back, but it’s been a challenge. We’ve exhausted every avenue that we have within the state with regards to being able to increase nursing.”
Doctors say they are wrestling with how to ensure that patients who require immediate care receive it while assessing whether others can wait.
“Now we have to think harder about whether or not that patient truly needs it and can we manage them medically without dialysis another day so we can provide dialysis to someone who more urgently needs dialysis,” Dr. Ross of Montefiore said. “Those are not decisions we like to make.”
An Overlooked, Possibly Fatal Coronavirus Crisis: A Dire Need for Kidney Dialysis (Published 2020)
Ventilators aren’t the only machines in intensive care units that are in short supply. Doctors have been confronting an unexpected rise in patients with failing kidneys.
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Can you present this in another way.. just maybe rephrase it just a little. You see nova, I know its within my grasp. Thanks so much in advance. Goodnight, Im going to check for it first thing.
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FUCK COVID from earth!!
nova, why do you bother with so many sarcastic/snide/belittling comments? i get that certain people can be frustrating to talk to or may appear dumb to you, but such cheap thrills seem totally beneath a person of your intelligence and insight. can't you just resolve to roll your eyes and ignore the worst triggers, and instead invest that energy educating us simpletons with more of your interesting tidbits of knowledge and wisdom?
others: if you want to talk about nuclear holocausts, perhaps you could create another thread to do so? it's natural for things to get slightly off topic, but let's rein it in now a little shall we?
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novaveritas
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so let me understand this clearly?
to give a few recent example,
1)it is OK for other posters to advocate nuking China but pointing out that is a really fucking dumb idea gets me criticized?
2) it is OK to use a model that is clearly flawed by its very design to destroy peoples livelihoods', health and freedoms?
3)or it is OK to calculate future death tolls by multiplying a small number IFR by a large number Global population to arrive at a large number, knowing that diseases don't work like that, ever. And use that big scary made up number to justify point 3
I could go on and on but I won't
Very few people here are interested in learning anything, or looking at evidence. Read up thread for numerous examples of this.
I am happy to step out of this, I have no skin in this particular game.
to give a few recent example,
1)it is OK for other posters to advocate nuking China but pointing out that is a really fucking dumb idea gets me criticized?
2) it is OK to use a model that is clearly flawed by its very design to destroy peoples livelihoods', health and freedoms?
3)or it is OK to calculate future death tolls by multiplying a small number IFR by a large number Global population to arrive at a large number, knowing that diseases don't work like that, ever. And use that big scary made up number to justify point 3
I could go on and on but I won't
Very few people here are interested in learning anything, or looking at evidence. Read up thread for numerous examples of this.
I am happy to step out of this, I have no skin in this particular game.
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Mate, if I gave you the impression that I wanted you to stop participating, then I honestly apologise - that was the furthest thought from my mind. Your posts are one of the reasons I like to try and keep up with this thread, even if I'm not posting much myself. I find your insights and your depth and breadth of knowledge informative and provocative (in a good way), and some of the evidence and perspectives you share certainly do help shape my thoughts and worldview.
Fair enough, that's just me. But even though there will always be people who look at the same evidence you present and see a different answer, unconvinced by your efforts, that's no indication they all disagree. This thread has more than 21k views, but probably only like 50-75 contributors. The vast majority lurk and read. And in reading, they're in some small way (or maybe large, for some) assimilating your evidence and learning.
As for the jingoistic posts about nuking China, the point I was trying to make is that they're so patently absurd as to be unworthy of any serious attention at all - doing so gives them undeserved oxygen and further detracts from the chain of more considered and thoughtful input.
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here is something else also that is interesting that I read when I was reading the nuke article :::
however, this report is from apr. 9th and it might be stabilizing now because of new knowledge of everything right now and on how it spreads.
Relatively early in the coronavirus outbreak, many experts thought that people who clearly showed COVID-19 symptoms—coughing, sneezing, fever, and breathing problems—were the ones most likely to spread the disease. On January 28, Anthony Fauci, the head of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases and one of the most prominent faces of the US government pandemic response said, “the driver of outbreaks is always a symptomatic person, even if there’s a rare asymptomatic person that might transmit.” Three days later, Fauci had an updated message: “In the beginning we were not sure if there were asymptomatic infection
A seemingly constant feature of the outbreak has been the need for health experts to regularly re-evaluate their understanding of the coronavirus. Here are three questions where at least a little uncertainty remains:
1 will it last over the summer
2 should you wear a mask
3 is food safe
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So my thoughts on the protests are that the right is pushing them not as a serious effort to reopen the economy (which would obviously be stupid right now) but so that people don't protest what they should be protesting, which is the lack of widespread testing.
Countries with widespread testing have had lower death rates and have been able to reopen much more quickly, as in South Korea and possibly soon Germany and Czechia. The US waited until there was a huge outbreak and is still way behind. We need to be testing at rates like Switzerland or Iceland if we're to stop this. Congress is more concerned with providing money for "small businesses" than for testing because they're all incompetent corrupt baboons.
My thoughts on novaveritas are unmodified.
Oh, and here's an heuristic. If you multiply the fatality rate in New York, currently 0.09% -- to be clear, that's not the IFR, it's the NYFR, the fatality rate associated with being in New York -- by the world population, you get 6.7 million. In other words, if the outbreak is to become as bad everywhere as it has been in New York, that's the death rate. (Feel free to complain about population density. Don't expect a response. By the way, it's for New York State, not the City.)
Countries with widespread testing have had lower death rates and have been able to reopen much more quickly, as in South Korea and possibly soon Germany and Czechia. The US waited until there was a huge outbreak and is still way behind. We need to be testing at rates like Switzerland or Iceland if we're to stop this. Congress is more concerned with providing money for "small businesses" than for testing because they're all incompetent corrupt baboons.
My thoughts on novaveritas are unmodified.
Oh, and here's an heuristic. If you multiply the fatality rate in New York, currently 0.09% -- to be clear, that's not the IFR, it's the NYFR, the fatality rate associated with being in New York -- by the world population, you get 6.7 million. In other words, if the outbreak is to become as bad everywhere as it has been in New York, that's the death rate. (Feel free to complain about population density. Don't expect a response. By the way, it's for New York State, not the City.)
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Good. Your president is not buying into the hype that would destroy your country. You'll be thanking him later once you see the extent of the effects of the unnecessary shutdowns elsewhere.
I'm deranged - says the guy who feels the need to hurl insults. Bit of projection there buddy?
Did I deny that? no. And I'm getting to the bottom of your beliefs for you since you haven't bothered to do so.
I was correct in the sense that most of the western MSM sing the same tune and follow the lead of American talking points. UK, Australia, Canada, Germany etc.
Thank you my point stands. It's not the fact that it's "state-funded" that you have a problem with, simply that it's from Russia. And funnily enough you've got this knee-jerk scripted response in part thanks to all the state-funded media that you consume from elsewhere. It's ignorance, hypocrisy and low-key xenophobia (I'll give you a pass there though because I think you're too ignorant to be consciously xenophobic).
Where did I deny it? You have comprehension issues.
Addressing it by pointing out your hypocrisy and you attacking a source as opposed to the content.
I'll do what I like, merci
hahahahahaha have you been in CH's wet dreams?
What about when it gets shown that the virus came out of Fort Detrick? Should China engage in nuclear extermination of the USA?
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