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Covid-19 Outbreak of new SARS-like coronavirus (Covid-19)

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I just had an idea that 'after all of this', after all of the unforeseen effects, months, years down the road, the U.S. will be broken up into regions, basically different countries (or semi-autonomous...?). I don't know. Just an idea. I was stoned.

I've seen many seemingly informed scientists who say that there won't be a vaccine for this - that it mutates too quickly. The only proper method of handling it would be containment, perhaps (but I don't know - I'm not a scientist). But if one area still has one case, and there is still ability for travel, if 'things go back to normal', there will always be the specter on the horizon of this virus, and any day it could blossom back into the populations, infecting people again. Unless it's completely choked off.

Again I don't understand how that wouldn't work. Where would the virus go, if not allowed to spread? Why shouldn't it, theoretically, with drastic measures, be able to be stomped out? I'm talking great testing, better than now, rapid, available for anyone, to test at home, daily if they want, and then perhaps, from there, isolation for everyone that has it. Before having wide-spread testing available, being prepared to isolate... but testing will change things.

That's the big thing, I guess, that will be a game-changer. I've read that: Making tests for this that are widely available, and perhaps even available at home. Make this or these tests free, because it's a matter of public-health. Then perhaps we can 'get back to normal'.

So perhaps the country won't break apart, into regions/zones. The trick is awareness of who has it, and who doesn't, and controlling from there.

Still this disease/virus that causes it, has got me thinking, about the free-flow/travel. I imagine after this, due to the threat of countless other viruses that could jump from animals to humans, a lot more research will be put into methods of rapid testing. Hopefully governments like ours will fund such research to be better prepared for the next outbreak.
 
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JessFR said:
Yes or no, do you have an example of anyone going to jail for a party. I asked first.

Theres piles of things you can theoretically to jail for but never would in practice. It's nothing new in law.
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definition of police state is where the implementation of the law is arbitrary unfair and unequal. A place where everything is a crime and the only thing that stops the state attacking you is the judgement of the law enforcers, is what exactly?
A tyranny?
I won't be an apologist for state overreach.

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes
that's well off topic though.

this is more on topic

All My Friends Are Dying – The Antisense

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I just had an idea that 'after all of this', after all of the unforeseen effects, months, years down the road, the U.S. will be broken up into regions, basically different countries (or semi-autonomous...?). I don't know. Just an idea. I was stoned.

I've seen many seemingly informed scientists who say that there won't be a vaccine for this - that it mutates too quickly. The only proper method of handling it would be containment, perhaps (but I don't know - I'm not a scientist). But if one area still has one case, and there is still ability for travel, if 'things go back to normal', there will always be the specter on the horizon of this virus, and any day it could blossom back into the populations, infecting people again. Unless it's completely choked off.

Again I don't understand how that wouldn't work. Where would the virus go, if not allowed to spread? Why shouldn't it, theoretically, with drastic measures, be able to be stomped out? I'm talking great testing, better than now, rapid, available for anyone, to test at home, daily if they want, and then perhaps, from there, isolation for everyone that has it. Before having wide-spread testing available, being prepared to isolate... but testing will change things.

That's the big thing, I guess, that will be a game-changer. I've read that: Making tests for this that are widely available, and perhaps even available at home. Make this or these tests free, because it's a matter of public-health. Then perhaps we can 'get back to normal'.

So perhaps the country won't break apart, into regions/zones. The trick is awareness of who has it, and who doesn't, and controlling from there.

Still this disease/virus that causes it, has got me thinking, about the free-flow/travel. I imagine after this, due to the threat of countless other viruses that could jump from animals to humans, a lot more research will be put into methods of rapid testing. Hopefully governments like ours will fund such research to be better prepared for the next outbreak.
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"Where would it go" INTO ANOTHER DISEASE VECTOR SPECIES.

You guys think it's zoonotic? Do you understand what zoonotic means?

At least understand that term if anyone wants to rip on me thinking it's not zoonotic.
 
JessFR said:
By all indications this virus mutates less than the seasonal flu viruses. So that doesn't seem like a good reason a vaccine won't be made.
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That is not the reason a vaccine will likely be troublesome and not straight forward. Please review the earlier SARS vaccine studies.
 
novaveritas said:
That is not the reason a vaccine will likely be troublesome and not straight forward. Please review the earlier SARS vaccine studies.
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I never said that it wouldn't be troublesome or that it'd be straight forward. I responded to one and only one argument about why a vaccine might not be feasible.
 
not going to argue with you JessFR over semantics, Policy is you are always right or possibly I don't care enough.
 
JessFR said:
I very much doubt he is either.
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I don't think that's the point though if you understand the history of vaccines over time, or count fanatics who are going to incite civil rights for a reason to not get vaccinated (I love touting civil rights, but there's a point of "stupid" where people don't want basic health care and should be kept far away etc...)
 
The balkanization of the USA after a nasty armed civil war seems to be the best possible outcome for the next 50 years, I say. But that's neither here nor there.

Enlighten us as to why a vaccine would be difficult to produce? Now, arguably I'm not a virologist by trade, but one of my parents worked in the field (plant viruses) and I had the good fortune of growing up with Molecular Biology Of The Cell as bedtime reading, so I know a thing or two about viruses and molecular biology. (Prior to my career on BL I used to frequent a hacking/computer virus forum, too... RIP F28, no nigga left behind) As I understand it there are plenty of viruses with a high mutation rate (low fidelity of genetic replication) - RNA viruses in general tend to have very high error rates (I guess because RNA is less stable?). Coronavirus is a RNA virus, but so are many other viruses that have had succesful vaccines produced: influenza, measles, hepatitis B/C, Ebola, polio, etc. So a high mutation rate is not neccesarily a game breaker. Even the very closely homologous SARS-COV (the "original recipe" 2003 SARS viurus) has had a vaccine developed.

It's only a matter of time before some company gets stinking rich by being the first-to-market a working SARS-COV2 vaccine. If anything, the lessons learned from problems encountered in SARS-COV vaccine production will drastically help people today, as the viruses are of reasonable genetic homology.
 
I agree. The question is most how much time. Even fast tracking, which has its own risks, it'll probably be a while.
 
JessFR said:
I very much doubt he is either.
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You of course you know that virologists do not make vaccines. Your main talent is irritating me with your pettty sniping and semantic fuckery.
the amusing thing is that I don't have to suffer fools so I wont.

keep strutting, you can have the place.
good luck
N
 
novaveritas said:
You of course you know that virologists do not make vaccines. Your main talent is irritating me with your pettty sniping and semantic fuckery.
the amusing thing is that I don't have to suffer fools so I wont.

keep strutting, you can have the place.
good luck
N
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Honestly you two, I spent last night reading this whole thread and you both make excellent points.

In fact I was very much into the lockdown/isolate everyone until I read what you wrote Nova. What you say definitely does make sense. I completely agree that lockdown whilst it will help flatten the curve is only can kicking as you say. There will be consequences to it for sure.

I really do enjoy reading what you have to say on everything so don’t leave the thread. People can agree to disagree whilst remaining respectful.
 
Here we go again...

novaveritas said:
You of course you know that virologists do not make vaccines.
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I never suggested they did. Captain heroin is the one who made that insinuation in suggesting that not all of us are virologists in response to your vaccine comment.
 
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The issue isn't whether they can develop a vaccine (they will claim that they can and they will), the issue is that they will use their dystopian tactics in order to force it onto people. I don't care whether the "experts" say it's effective, there are many people who would rather shoot you than let you jab them with it it. It's against someone's human rights to forcibly medicate them but unfortunately there are a lot of authoritarian followers who will cheer along them jabbing you without any choice. Telling you you deserve it. For your own safety of course. Those types of people disgust me.

www.foxnews.com

Turkmenistan bans use of word 'coronavirus,' threatens jail for anyone wearing a mask: watchdog group

Don't even mention "coronavirus" by name in this former Soviet Republic.
www.foxnews.com www.foxnews.com

www.rt.com

Covid-19’s meant to be a new Black Death, but in Britain no more people are dying than NORMAL. What does this say about the virus?

Many people are waking up to the fact that the Covid-19 “pandemic” is not turning out as billed. When we finally emerge from it, the big question will be how many people have died from the virus. Here’s the most likely outcome.
www.rt.com www.rt.com
 
I suspect we won't need to forcefully immunize people. We don't need THAT much coverage.

But, if we did... Ugh... Ultimately i agree. At most id be ok with fining people for not getting vaccinated. Im not a big fan of that either, but im never gonna accept using force to make people get vaccinated.

If they did that, and I doubt they will, id oppose it. Stupid as I think it is.
 
There's ways to force people without forcing them, like they do to kids with day care or not receiving government benefits.

They'll say you can't travel by planes if you're not vaccinated, or can't attend sporting events, or can't join our new food system and receive your UBI as they've directed the inevitable financial collapse of the current system...
 
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