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Covid-19 Outbreak of new SARS-like coronavirus (Covid-19)

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If people want to do something that is extremely helpful, keep a log of your contacts starting right now and if you can remember going backwards.

If god forbid, you get it and test positive then the disease control people can track back up your contacts and find the other positives properly isolate and possibly treat the other infected people.

This finds the burning embers that have spread in the forest fire and prevents the whole thing flaring up again. Right now the services are maxxed out dealing with the constant stream, when the deluge reduces to a trickle as it will shortly, then tracking from cases backwards will be very important and the log you keep will help them be more efficient.

If you are paranoid and think that you want to protect your social contacts by not keeping a log, consider this, what makes you think the state will not just use your phone positioning data, your phone calls, your emails faicial recognition CCTV tracking and so on to do it anyway? If you want to protect your contacts just don't get corona. OK.

It is very important to look at tomorrow's problems right now rather than just dealing with today's problems.

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If you are paranoid and think that you want to protect your social contacts by not keeping a log, consider this, what makes you think the state will not just use your phone positioning data, your phone calls, your emails faicial recognition CCTV tracking and so on to do it anyway? If you want to protect your contacts just don't get corona. OK.

There isn't enough money, manpower, or gives-a-fucks to do that.

40% of US murders went unsolved last year.

They couldn't track SENATOR Rand Paul's contact. THE VIRUS CAN LIVE ON A SURFACE FOR ONE TO SEVEN days. I think if you live in a city like where I do there is no chance in hell it could be any one of my disgusting neighbors, or any of the genetic trash who I've seen coughing on their own children in the grocery stores, or the plebes who are darting around afraid of death coughing on us in every check out line.

Plebes, disgusting filth afraid of death, chickens with their heads cut off. Idiocy. The point of life isn't to live forever it's to enjoy dying. Because you're going to one day, and it's silly to delude yourself into thinking otherwise.


This is a "ZOONOTIC VIRUS", remember, remember everyone telling me I'm crazy for thinking TRUMP MADE THIS IN A GERM WARFARE LAB? Remember?

If the original disease vector was not a human being it's silly to think you couldn't be getting it from an animal in the future. You could be someone who has stayed miles away from other people, on your own land, and you might come into contact with an animal who came into contact with the virus. There is no way in hell they are mapping out disease spread of covid-19 with 100% accuracy.

I'm a very logical person. In an economic downturn there's no way the entire "STATE" the "MAN", all the world's governments working in tandem could ever hope to track it all down.

For all I know I may be absent minded, touch a surface, and then my eyes/face. Maybe I think the thing is a hoax because Trump said it was a hoax and I don't wash my hands because I'm a dirty pot smoking hippie.

I mean if you can't do a logic-think out of a virus that can live on a touch surface for 1-7 days, come on.

The simplest thing, "I was going to grocery stores buying and reselling toilet paper because I'm a piece of shit." would work. DUH.

Head in ass much? And you know I love my liberals right now because DADDY HEROIN NEEDS HEALTH CARE, A BIG BOTTLE OF BENZOS AND PEACE LOVE AND NOT WAR, MAN... alright? <3 you buddy.
 
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If people want to do something that is extremely helpful, keep a log of your contacts starting right now and if you can remember going backwards.

If god forbid, you get it and test positive then the disease control people can track back up your contacts and find the other positives properly isolate and possibly treat the other infected people.

This finds the burning embers that have spread in the forest fire and prevents the whole thing flaring up again. Right now the services are maxxed out dealing with the constant stream, when the deluge reduces to a trickle as it will shortly, then tracking from cases backwards will be very important and the log you keep will help them be more efficient.

If you are paranoid and think that you want to protect your social contacts by not keeping a log, consider this, what makes you think the state will not just use your phone positioning data, your phone calls, your emails faicial recognition CCTV tracking and so on to do it anyway? If you want to protect your contacts just don't get corona. OK.

It is very important to look at tomorrow's problems right now rather than just dealing with today's problems.
Oh, well I think you should point out where you think the faulty 'advice' I didn't give out is going to kill someone, and expand on it in some detail, because (a) I don't want to kill anyone, and (b) we should remove anything from BL that looks like advice that would kill someone.

Otherwise, I felt I had caveated what I posted with considerable verve, and where talking about my own experience with dealing with my confirmed covid-19, couched with a lot of "I personally", or "I", "me" in response to being asked questions by NSA :rolleyes: The only thing that could be constituted as 'advice' was about a particular version of zinc if someone's already going to take zinc, and that was as a supplement for general health, not as an 'nCOV cure'.
Hi CFC,
confirmed as in positive PCR or positive antigen or confirmed as in physician saying confirmed based on observation?
PM me if you don't want to discuss publically
nova
 
In a time, like all great human trials and this seems to be the greatest one in which we as a planet enjoy instantaneous global comunication, why in the hell are you so down on CFC @novaveritas?

Its a time we need to work together and the information CFC provided was presented in a i offer this with the hope it will help as we have not figured it out.

Im not looking to stir things up as we are already panicking.
 
In a time, like all great human trials and this seems to be the greatest one in which we as a planet enjoy instantaneous global comunication, why in the hell are you so down on CFC @novaveritas?

Its a time we need to work together and the information CFC provided was presented in a i offer this with the hope it will help as we have not figured it out.

Im not looking to stir things up as we are already panicking.

not down on anyone, I know the failure rates false positive and negative of the tests all I want is information so I asked the question and earlier explained why it is important to be very clear.

the instant global communication is all well and good but false or misleading information travels at the speed of light too.
I also would like people to be absolutely clear. Not got time to fuck around.

nova
 
^ CFC thankyou.
trawling a lot of information and similar reports all over the place and really don't have time to ask questions which would have been answered by the preamble.... had PCR confirmed nCOV and.......
 
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Why mass COVID-19 testing is key to stopping spread

Lauren Pelley, Adam Miller | CBC News

"Test the neighbourhood, test the relatives, test the friends," says an expert in Italy.

A scientist on the front line of Italy's fight against the COVID-19 outbreak is issuing a plea to countries like Canada: "Test everyone possible, even people not showing symptoms."

"Test the neighbourhood, test the relatives, test the friends, and isolate all positive individuals,"
said Andrea Crisanti, an infectious disease expert at Imperial College London who is working on the ground in Italy.

"If you do it now, you will stop the disease."

While on sabbatical at the University of Padua, Crisanti has been participating in a mass testing experiment for COVID-19 infections in Vò, a town of roughly 3,400 people located west of Venice.

Though the country's overall death toll is in the thousands and climbing, Crisanti said Vò has effectively stopped its local outbreak by testing — and re-testing — every single resident, regardless of whether they showed any symptoms.

Dr. Michael Warner, medical director of critical care at Michael Garron Hospital, says Canada should have enforced a mandatory lockdown from coast to coast a while ago.

The town had its first confirmed COVID-19 case on Feb. 21, he said.

The initial round of testing that month showed 3% of the population were infected with the illness. Every one of those residents was then put under isolation at home and not allowed to have any contact with others.

Ten days later, the entire town was retested — at which point the rate of infection had dropped to 0.3 per cent, marking a 90 per cent decrease.

"What we learned is that 25 per cent had influenza-like symptoms, and 75 per cent were completely asymptomatic," Crisanti said. "They were completely unaware."

He said given the high number of people who didn't show symptoms, the takeaway for other countries is to test widely, catch all possible cases early, and isolate them to prevent the virus from spreading like wildfire through a community.

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Canada should be on lockdown to stop COVID-19 spread, doctor warns.

It's a call echoed by a growing chorus of global experts, from Canadian infectious disease specialists to the World Health Organization, amid increasing concern over countries not knowing the true number of infected individuals.

"We clearly need to rapidly scale our capacity to test more broadly because that will be extremely helpful in enabling Canada to follow a similar path as South Korea, Japan and Hong Kong," said Dr. Isaac Bogoch, an infectious disease physician at Toronto General Hospital.

"We want to take that pathway – not the pathway of countries like Italy, Iran and Spain."

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A medical worker wearing a protective mask and suit treats patients suffering from COVID-19
in an intensive care unit at the Oglio Po hospital in Cremona, Italy.


Dr. Theresa Tam, Canada's chief public health officer, said Friday at least 66,000 tests have been done in Canada, with 10,000 of those in the 24 hours since Thursday alone.

Why it's so difficult to get tested for COVID-19 in Canada

On Wednesday, Health Minister Patty Hajdu signed an interim order to obtain more diagnostic test kits and other medical devices to address the growing need amid a rise in cases.

"Early diagnosis is a critical component," Hajdu said. "So we are taking extraordinary measures to help make that happen as quickly as possible."

'Million-dollar question'

One crucial reason for widespread testing, as the Vò experiment suggested, is that it could catch anyone who may be unknowingly carrying the virus and potentially spreading it across Canada.

There are two types of patients who could be doing this without their knowledge.

Asymptomatic carriers show absolutely no symptoms, while subclinical carriers are people who may have mild symptoms but aren't sick enough to seek medical care.

In both cases, these people could be flying under the radar — unless they're tested.

"The degree to which that's happening right now is the 'million-dollar question,'" says Jason Kindrachuk, assistant professor and Canada Research Chair in emerging viruses at the University of Manitoba.

"Everybody wants to know exactly what role people with asymptomatic or subclinical infections are playing in transmission," he said. "The simple fact is, where we are right now, we still don't know."

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Since the virus is so new, research is only just beginning to emerge shedding light on how it transmits.

One study published in the journal Science this week found COVID-19 patients in the epicentre of the outbreak in Wuhan, China, with mild, limited or no symptoms went "unrecognized" and exposed "a far greater portion of the population to virus than would have occurred otherwise."

The study concluded that these "undocumented infections" were the source of transmission for up to 79 per cent of documented cases in the city.

'Every inch of my body hurt'

In Ontario, where there are now more than 300 confirmed cases of COVID-19 — close to a third of Canada's total — health officials say 3,000 tests are now being conducted each day, with a goal of eventually conducting 5,000 daily tests by expanding laboratory access.

Officials are "very aware of the need to increase our capacity for testing," Ontario Health Minister Christine Elliott said this week.

She said some residents face at least a four-day wait to learn their test results, which she called "unacceptable."

Other Canadians have told CBC News they simply weren't tested at all, despite showing symptoms that aligned with COVID-19.

Ontario couple Curtis Connor and Kris Chandler both fell ill in early March but haven't been able to get tested for COVID-19.

That was the case for Ontario couple Curtis Connor and Kris Chandler, who live in Paisley, a village about 200 kilometres northwest of Toronto.

Both fell ill on March 4, and say the symptoms went beyond any flu bug they'd experienced before — including days-long fever, pain and breathing problems.

"Every inch of my body hurt beyond what you can imagine," Connor, 50, recalled.

"I felt that my lungs had caught fire," said Chandler, 49. "I couldn't walk 10 steps without losing my breath."

Chandler suspects their illness stemmed from her workplace, where shift workers are often traveling in and out of the country, but she may never know for sure.

Despite seeking medical care and asking to get tested, the pair was told by their physician that no one would be tested unless they'd traveled abroad themselves. Since the couple hadn't been away, they're now left without answers.

According to Dr. Margaret Tromp, president of the Society of Rural Physicians of Canada — which includes roughly 2,000 small-town clinicians — rationing testing to diagnose vulnerable patients has been a directive from many local public health units.

"Testing is not that readily available because we have a limitation on the number of swabs that are available," she said.

"It obviously would be better if we could test more people, but we have to be realistic when a pandemic comes and we need supplies, that supplies cannot be instantly produced."

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Widespread testing is the 'eyes and ears' of the pandemic

While government efforts could soon expand Canada's testing capacity, Dr. David Fisman, an epidemiologist with the University of Toronto's Dalla Lana School of Public Health, says the lack of kits is leaving the country without its "eyes and ears" in the outbreak.

"If we don't have lots and lots and lots of testing, and if we're not testing in places where we don't expect to find [COVID-19], then we're not going to know the full extent of this epidemic, and not be able to come up with the best ways to protect ourselves," he said.

Dr. Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, director-general of the World Health Organization, stressed Monday "the most effective way to prevent infection and save lives is by 'breaking the chains of transmission' through widespread testing and isolation."

"You cannot fight a fire blindfolded and we cannot stop this pandemic if we don't know who is infected,"
he said. "We have a simple message for all countries: Test, test, test."

Speaking to CBC News by phone from Italy, Crisanti said Canada needs to take cues from other regions where mass testing is the new normal, including the Italian town of Vò.

"If you hadn't tested everyone like that," he warned, "there would have been no way to know just how high the infection rate really was."

 
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CFC: N-acetylcysteine is a mucolytic. Of course it makes you feel better! Doesn't mean it does anything to stop the virus itself.

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You don't say? OK, this rather quickly proved the point about how people don't actually read things, and will readily misconstrue even rather basic stuff to invent their own narrative.

I'm gonna delete what little I wrote here lol. Good luck with the virus folks, fingers crossed most of you don't get it or, if you do, that you remain asymptomatic! <3
 
I don't feel you should delete it, CFC, I think describing your symptoms and ideas about it is valid and valuable.

So do I my friend, which is why I did. But look how quickly that got taken out of context and how fast I was told I may kill people lol.

I think on a board of druggies, where people often don't or can't really read what you write beyond a quick skim, and where things are often rampantly misconstrued, I can see how it might be a bad idea.

Particularly if I have to keep clarifying that no, I did not say eating 4 elephant's tescticles will cure the virus and no, don't do what I do just because I did it myself - do your own research, take responsibilty for your own choices and decisions.

Most folks here are probably eventually going to get it, and most will be fine, and those that aren't will hopefully get all the help they need from their health care providers. From that perspective, sharing my own experiences would probably confuse more than anything else.
 
More from Derek Lowe on the studies looking at hydroxychloroquine/azithromycin for treating COVID-19. There's some concerning information about the investigator leading the research, Dr. Didier Raoult.
 
Miss-informing the herd has been used as a means of population control since time began.

People who try and keep the masses safe by making certain they are poorly informed or simply told nothing are just the left over religious crowd that feel it's safer to raise the population ignorantly.

To reach a point of understanding you must not fear information but learn to think critically on your own.
 
Don't hate for me having a slightly different opinion to most people. I know that some people think they're faced with potential death right now and that can cause people to act extreme. It's interesting that I'm seeing people who were previously quite "aware" and who never trusted the MSM now completely buying in to the fear porn, while others who I considered more "normy" now seem to be waking up and asking legit questions. I view this as a form of spiritual immunity. Some people can intuitively sense when something is really wrong or let's say when certain governmental moves/policies seem disproportionate, reckless and seeming to do more overall harm than good in the long run.

So I personally know multiple people who have shown symptoms for covid19 and were denied testing. There's also credible reports of the earliest testing kids not even being accurate. If it turns out that many more people actually have the virus (and are hit with zero to minimal symptoms as it seems quite weak) then the mortality rate would be way lower than what they're claiming. Look at these quick changes:
Peter Hitchens said:
Prof Ferguson & Imperial College have now dropped their coronavirus death predictions from half a million to 20,000 to today's 5,700 - Could *anyone* else have shifted so totally, so fast, and still be taken seriously?
And it's a win-win for these groups - throw out a ridiculously high estimate to scare the fuck out of people and then when it turns out to be nowhere close say "see! Locking everyone down and taking their rights away worked!"

Then there are people using the hashtag #filmmyhospital because they wanted to see how crazy their local hospitals were and there's a pattern of them being LESS busy. Yes there are a few places where hospitals aren't coping like northern Italy but do some research on flu seasons in Italy and how the same thing happens. They have one of the oldest populations in the world and influenza often decimates the area.

Bolsonaro questions need for COVID-19 lockdown, says deaths exaggerated for political purposes - UPDATE: Twitter CENSORS Brazilian president

Twitter, like the good hive mind app that it is, has begun deleting Bolsonaro's efforts to break the Corony spell his country has been put under.
In an unprecedented move, Twitter has yanked two posts by Brazilian President Jair Bolsonaro, in which he took aim at coronavirus lockdowns as part of his controversial campaign to avoid a shutdown of the economy.

Bolsonaro has become the first ever head of state to have his tweets censored by the platform under recently-updated guidelines, requiring users to remove content that defies "global or local health authorities recommendations" aimed at halting the spread of the deadly disease that has already taken hold in the Latin American country.

The Brazilian leader, who has been adamant that economic damage from lockdowns is a price too high to pay for lowering health risks, made a trip to a street market on Sunday, mingling with crowds and chatting with street vendors.

The videos, posted by Bolsonaro in the wake of the visit, apparently ran afoul of the Twitter guidelines. In one of them, Bolsonaro assures a street seller that he was "not going to die" due to the measures to combat the pandemic.

"What I have been hearing from people is that they want to work," the president, dubbed the "Trump of the Tropics," reportedly said.



Some leaders are not buying into the sensationalism and fear porn spread by the mainstream media. They realize that destroying their countries financially is not worth the risk in the long run. If the solution is worse than the problem then fuck the solution especially if the media is lying about the problem. This seems to be a power play by a covert globalist cabal. Look at the results it's crazy and also insane how easily people are willing to accept them - and enforce them onto others. We shall see in the near future who was correct.

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Who's down for forced vaccinations? I know a lot of people won't be.

A decent interview questioning the corona-chan narrative from an Irish/EU perspective. Some solid info here.

And even if you believe it all - don't give in to the fear!! Fear/stress lowers your immune system making you more susceptible to any "virus". So stay calm, eat clean, get supplements if you can (Vit C, bicarb soda, NAC etc), meditate each day, go for a walk in nature if possible and be extra kind to people. This alleged pandemic is really bringing out the best and worst of people. Wish you all safety and knowledge in these trying times
 
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An older guy I know of died over the weekend that lives at the rehab I'm at. My boss told me that if anyone asks what happened to him then I am just supposed to say that it was bacterial related.
To me it sounds like my boss knows something that he isn't wanting to share with his employees..
Now if the guy did have covid19 then the rehab would flip their shit,including me.
They don't give us masks or anything,just tell us to wear gloves all the time now.
 

'Maybe worse than hoarding': Trump implies hospital staff are stealing masks.


Trump says keeping US Covid-19 deaths to 100,000 would be a ‘very good job’

by David Smith | The Guardian | 30 Mar 2020

President extends social distancing rules to 30 April, saying open for Easter plans were only ‘aspirational’

Donald Trump has extended America’s national shutdown for a month, bowing to public health experts, and scientific reality, and warning that the worst of the coronavirus pandemic is yet to come.

Speaking in the White House Rose Garden, the US president claimed that, if his administration keeps the death toll to 100,000, it will have done “a very good job” – a startling shift from his optimistic predictions of just a few days ago when he said he hoped to restart the economy by Easter.

Trump also undermined his plea for unity by uttering falsehoods, verbally abusing reporters and making incendiary allegations that implied health care workers were stealing masks, without providing evidence.

The extended deadline marked a humiliating retreat for the president who, having squandered six precious weeks at the start of the pandemic, more recently complained that the cure is worse than the problem and floated Easter Sunday as a “beautiful timeline” for reopening big swathes of the country.

On Sunday he claimed this had only been “aspirational” as his advisers urged him not to move too hastily. He announced the initial 15-day period of social distancing urged by the federal government, which was due to expire on Monday, would be extended to 30 April, and said he hoped normality might return by 1 June.

The guidelines recommend against big group gatherings and urge older people and anyone with existing health problems to stay at home. People were also urged to work at home when possible and avoid restaurants, bars, non-essential travel and shopping trips.

“The modelling estimates that the peak in death rate is likely to hit in two weeks,” Trump told reporters, with the toll already at more than 2,400. “Nothing would be worse than declaring victory before the victory is won. That would be the greatest loss of all.”

He added: “We can expect by June 1st we will be well on our way to recovery.”

The shift came as the full horror of the pandemic appeared to dawn on a president who long downplayed it. Dr Anthony Fauci, the government’s top infectious disease expert, said the US could experience more than 100,000 deaths and millions of infections. Fauci praised the extension as a “wise and prudent” decision.

Trump cited projection models that said potentially 2.2 million people or more could have died had the country tried to “wing it” and not put social distancing measures in place. “I kept asking and we did models,” he said. “These are 2.2 million people would have died.

“And so, if we could hold that down, as we’re saying, to 100,000 – it’s a horrible number, maybe even less, but to 100,000, so we have between 100,000 and 200,000 – we altogether have done a very good job.”


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Health care workers stand outside a tent erected to test people for the Covid-19 at Elmhurst
Hospital Center in Queens, New York.


Trump also appeared rattled by scenes at Elmhurst Hospital where he grew up in Queens, New York. “I’ve been watching that for the last week on television,” he said. “Body bags all over, in hallways.”

“I’ve been watching them bring in trailer trucks, freezer trucks, they’re freezer trucks, because they can’t handle the bodies, there are so many of them. This is essentially in my community of Queens, New York. I’ve seen things that I’ve never seen before.”


Trump had minimised the threat of the coronavirus for weeks and ignored the pleas of his health secretary to investing in testing kits and breathing apparatus. The House Speaker, Nancy Pelosi, told CNN’s State of the Union this attitude had cost American lives. “The president, his denial at the beginning, was deadly,” she said.

Trump has long been criticised for refusing to own up to his own mistakes and shifting blame to others. In another lengthy, abrasive press conference, he pushed a conspiracy theory speculating that hospital staff may be stealing N95 masks and selling them on the black market.

"The current demand does not square with what hospitals usually use," he told reporters. “It’s a New York hospital, very – it’s packed all the time. How do you go from 10,000 to 20.000 masks per week, to 300,000? 10,000 to 20,000 masks, to 300,000 – even though this is different? Something is going on, and you ought to look into it as reporters. Are they going out the back door?”

He added: “How do you go from 10,000 to 300,000? And we have that in a lot of different places. So somebody should probably look into that, because I just don’t see from a practical standpoint how that’s possible to go from that to that.”

When a reporter asked the president to clarify, he asked for New York Governor Andrew Cuomo and Mayor Bill de Blasio to investigate, adding: “I don’t think it’s hoarding. I think it’s maybe worse than hoarding.”

The comments provoked widespread outrage. Joe Kennedy III, a Democratic Congressman from Massachusetts, tweeted: “We need supplies. We need masks. Our frontlines are suffering. Suggesting otherwise is disgusting.”

Joe Biden, the front runner for the Democratic presidential nomination, said: “This is ridiculous and completely false. Today’s conspiracy mongering from our president is among the most reckless and ignorant moves he has made during this crisis, and there have been many. Lives hang in the balance.”

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A White House aide attempts to take the microphone out of the hands of PBS NewsHour
correspondent Yamiche Alcindor as she questions Donald Trump.


As in previous briefings all week, the president picked fights with individual reporters including Yamiche Alcindor, a reporter at PBS NewsHour who is a woman of color.

When Alcindor questioned him about comments he made during an interview with Fox News’s Sean Hannity that suggested state governors were making exaggerated demands, Trump retorted: “Why don’t you act in a little more positive? ... It’s always get ya, get ya, get ya. You know what? That’s why nobody trusts the media anymore.”

He added: “Look, let me tell you something, be nice. Don’t be threatening. Be nice.”

 
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Well it was confirmed weeks ago, he's already been through the worst of it. :)

An older guy I know of died over the weekend that lives at the rehab I'm at. My boss told me that if anyone asks what happened to him then I am just supposed to say that it was bacterial related.
To me it sounds like my boss knows something that he isn't wanting to share with his employees..
Now if the guy did have covid19 then the rehab would flip their shit,including me.
They don't give us masks or anything,just tell us to wear gloves all the time now.

That sounds sketchy. Of course maybe it was, and your boss is just scared of people assuming it's covid19?
 
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