Painful One
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Covid-19 Outbreak of new SARS-like coronavirus (Covid-19)
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Captain.Heroin
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it is wrong though. It is a totalitarian tactic.
People will care, or they won't. Seriously. 99.9% of the time, people are quarantining and bored out their mind. At least where I am.
I am not doing it because it is the law but because it is the right thing to do.
I hate to break this down under just an American scope.. but this virus is likely to take out many more Americans then the American civil war and every war after. What a fucking nightmare. Were going to beat it, but id love to see humanity pull a fast one and slip out of this somehow.
Xorkoth
Bluelight Crew
Hold on, I got this
JessFR
Bluelight Crew
Id love to say that was an exaggeration, and my initial hope was that I could. But Google says the total number of Americans to die in war is about 1.3 million, and that's a very plausible number of Americans that could be dead when this is all said and done from coronavirus.
All it'd require is a 0.7% mortality rate and a 60% infection rate. Both numbers very conceivable.
It's far from a certainty, but it's a plausible number and that alone should give cause for concern.
TheLoveBandit
Retired Never Was, Coulda been wannabe
As a reminder, there are hundreds of thousands of people out there, capable of helping rather than sitting huddled in their homes watching Netflix. The term 'American Ingenuity' comes to mind
TheLoveBandit
Retired Never Was, Coulda been wannabe
@Captain.Heroin (and any other Cali folks....or NYC or CHI for that matter)
What are you hearing locally about the homeless population? One would think that sub-group would be at very high risk given their proximety, cleanliness, and average health issues. I've heard nothing nationally. I do, at times, listen to NPR our of California, and heard the Governor was looking to buy/rent hotel rooms to house the homeless during the Wuhan flu situation. A noble concept, though I'm not sure how well he can pull if off. Any news locally on how this is effecting the homeless or what's being done to help protect them?
What are you hearing locally about the homeless population? One would think that sub-group would be at very high risk given their proximety, cleanliness, and average health issues. I've heard nothing nationally. I do, at times, listen to NPR our of California, and heard the Governor was looking to buy/rent hotel rooms to house the homeless during the Wuhan flu situation. A noble concept, though I'm not sure how well he can pull if off. Any news locally on how this is effecting the homeless or what's being done to help protect them?
JessFR
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While I applaud this effort, and definitely think it's worthwhile.
Personally, I'd prefer to be on the real ventilator. The one that had to pass the obscenely strict medical equipment tests.
The thing that I couldn't help thinking, is how badly this'll fuck anyone who relies on begging for money.
As someone who used to do that, in my expert opinion I can safely say that you can't beg from people who aren't there.
Plus the ones that are aren't carrying as much cash.
Bad times
Personally, I'd prefer to be on the real ventilator. The one that had to pass the obscenely strict medical equipment tests.
The thing that I couldn't help thinking, is how badly this'll fuck anyone who relies on begging for money.
As someone who used to do that, in my expert opinion I can safely say that you can't beg from people who aren't there.
Plus the ones that are aren't carrying as much cash.
Bad times
TheLoveBandit
Retired Never Was, Coulda been wannabe
With the state lockdown, drive-thru foods are available as well as take-out, just no dine in. Now I'm seeing the drive-thru's put up signs that say 'card only' as they don't want to be touching cash.
JessFR
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Which, for the most part I think is great. I much much prefer contactless payment for a long time and am mostly glad this is increasing its use.
However, the former panhandle in me hates it, and wants people to keep carrying cash.
Xorkoth
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They have to take your card from you and give it back
JessFR
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Which is why we should be moving to contactless payment.
It's safer for your account and your health.
While I applaud this effort, and definitely think it's worthwhile.
Personally, I'd prefer to be on the real ventilator. The one that had to pass the obscenely strict medical equipment tests.
The thing that I couldn't help thinking, is how badly this'll fuck anyone who relies on begging for money.
As someone who used to do that, in my expert opinion I can safely say that you can't beg from people who aren't there.
Plus the ones that are aren't carrying as much cash.
Bad times
I am in daily contact with a food pantry volunteer and as there has been no stale bread in over a week a major staple of theirs has been missing. Wanting to supply the pandemic and bread rush have lead to a short but significant stale that will help those struggling with food in at least the northern Midwest US,, People and organizations will likely get a short surplus and then its uncertain.. but I think it should remain steady but may be a little limited.
I was just thinking that this is probably the most significant world event, at least from a Western perspective, since the 9/11 attacks. So, I went to the very beginning of the CEPS forum and, what do you know, the very first threads there were on the topic of the 9/11 attacks. Looks like whatever precursor forum that eventually became CEPS started in response to 9/11.
JessFR
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I've been thinking the same thing actually.
This is very much like 9/11, it's a different event happening in a different way, but like 9/11 it's this huge world changing thing.
An event thats led most of the world to wake up and think back on a few months ago, and realize that the world is now different. What we thought the world would be has changed.
Life will go on, society will go on, but this is a major moment in history. One that will be remembered for a very long time, one which will shape the world that comes after it.
I have many friends in the American medical system right now, some doctors, but mostly nurses. The situation on the inside isn't good. What they are telling the public via the media and what the hospital administrations are being told by the CDC are two different things. Trump is telling America to look forward to everything reopening on Easter yet hospital staff are being told that peak infection rate is still 3 weeks out at minimum, all while safety equipment is disappearing quickly. They went from one mask per staff member per patient contact, to one mask per shift, to now one mask for multiple shifts. And no new masks are coming. China has exclusive access to the next batch.
My friend in NYC is a cardiologist and his chief of staff is now in the ICU on a ventilator, thanks to lack of safety equipment.
I would not envy any White House administration having to deal with this right now. The choices are let the country open up again and whoever dies, dies, all while flooding the hospital system with an impossible number of cases in an under resourced environment; or keep the nation locked down and watch the economy go bye bye. Some analysts say that once the virus passes we will see a V shaped recovery, very sharp; but the more money the government throws at this, the higher the inflation will be by year's end, not to mention the endless people without work. They already lowered the interest rate to zero, have opened the cash pumps and given out trillions in stimulus. They can't pull the same trick twice in the same quarter. It either inspires economic confidence or it doesn't, and once the Easter deadline is not adhered to everything will tank again. The quarterly reports are not going to look good either, not with so many people losing their jobs. It will be hard to fudge those numbers, though obviously they will try.
This is such a shitty situation. On the other hand, it reveals how fragile our economy is, and also how uneven the "invisible hand" is, as Adam Smith would put it. One virus and suddenly millions are unemployed with little long-term hope, with an endless fiat cash supply that may not actually be able to turn the psychology of the situation around. Like, what is actually sustaining this ponzi scheme other than the psychological consent of millions of people? That's pretty much it. Look what happens when we all stop participating -- it crumbles instantly. Most people don't know (or don't care), but it wasn't stimulus that ended the Great Depression, it was World War II. So if stimulus doesn't fix this I don't know what their backup plan would be.
My friend in NYC is a cardiologist and his chief of staff is now in the ICU on a ventilator, thanks to lack of safety equipment.
I would not envy any White House administration having to deal with this right now. The choices are let the country open up again and whoever dies, dies, all while flooding the hospital system with an impossible number of cases in an under resourced environment; or keep the nation locked down and watch the economy go bye bye. Some analysts say that once the virus passes we will see a V shaped recovery, very sharp; but the more money the government throws at this, the higher the inflation will be by year's end, not to mention the endless people without work. They already lowered the interest rate to zero, have opened the cash pumps and given out trillions in stimulus. They can't pull the same trick twice in the same quarter. It either inspires economic confidence or it doesn't, and once the Easter deadline is not adhered to everything will tank again. The quarterly reports are not going to look good either, not with so many people losing their jobs. It will be hard to fudge those numbers, though obviously they will try.
This is such a shitty situation. On the other hand, it reveals how fragile our economy is, and also how uneven the "invisible hand" is, as Adam Smith would put it. One virus and suddenly millions are unemployed with little long-term hope, with an endless fiat cash supply that may not actually be able to turn the psychology of the situation around. Like, what is actually sustaining this ponzi scheme other than the psychological consent of millions of people? That's pretty much it. Look what happens when we all stop participating -- it crumbles instantly. Most people don't know (or don't care), but it wasn't stimulus that ended the Great Depression, it was World War II. So if stimulus doesn't fix this I don't know what their backup plan would be.
Yeah, if you look in the 'thanks staff' thread in announcements, you can see the genesis of it all in the names of the different former forums that were thrown up to discuss "the attacks".
That's awful, especially considering as the infection risk appears to run from humans >> animals and not the other way around.
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