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Covid-19 Outbreak of new SARS-like coronavirus (Covid-19)

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China, Iran, South Korea, Italy have the worst outbreaks. South Korea's death count is quite low.
We really have no idea the true extent and how many people are carrying it. Apparently it's a 24-day incubation period.
It's not affecting the young with 0 fatalities under 9.
 
I couldn't paste the link for some reason but it's mercola. com 'Bioweapons Expert Speaks Out About Novel Coronavirus'

Bioweapons Expert Speaks Out About Novel Coronavirus said:
"giving patients IV vitamin C with hydrocortisone and vitamin B1 for two days reduced mortality from 40% to 8.5%. The precise protocol used was 200 mg of thiamine every 12 hours, 1,500 mg of ascorbic acid every six hours, and 50 mg of hydrocortisone every six hours. Importantly, the treatment has no side effects and is inexpensive, readily available and simple to administer"

"According to Marik, vitamin C and corticosteroids have a synergistic effect, which is part of why his combo protocol is so effective. Still, simply using high-dose IV vitamin C exclusively has been shown to improve survival in patients with sepsis and acute respiratory failure, reducing mortality from 46% to 30%"

"It also reduced the number of days they needed to remain hospitalized. On average, those who received vitamin C had by Day 28 spent three fewer days in the intensive care unit than the placebo group (seven days compared to 10). By Day 60, the treatment group had also spent seven fewer days in the hospital overall —15 days compared to 22"
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Vitamin C is mostly quackery, it is not a new idea, it goes right back to before Linus Pauling. It now has new pseudoscientific names like orthomolecular therapy but it is the same oid quackery and quacks. The article you linked is written by someone trying to sell you something...

The bad news is if this effect was real then it would be seen by now in RCTs, there were numerous trials in the West and the Soviet Union, no strong effect was seen. What was seen was that it doesn't cause much harm overall and if people are Vitamin C deficient it can actually do some good. It also gives the doctors something to do, which is important because doctors always feel they have to do something rather than simply wait.

It is worth remembering that the so called bioweapons expert quoted by Mercola is actually a lawyer with no scientific training or practice whatsoever, He is some kind of self defined expert because he was involved with drafting various US laws on biological weapons, (which Fort Detrick promptly ignored) which is really like saying I am a cosmologist because I once had lunch with Stephen Hawking, The lawyer pretending to be a 'bioweapons expert' once sat in the same room as some real bioweapons experts therefore he is an expert. He is not. I am not a cosmologist either.

The real bioweapons experts are not going to admit their expertise, which is not that great overall, there is much more knowledge and skill in the open than behind closed doors of places like USAMRIID. In the late 1990s there were a lot of unemployed bioweapons experts in the FSU, with some unusual drugs and therapies that they were offering for sale, various pharma companies got involved but everything they got involved with was bunk. Draw your own conclusions.

So far there is reasonably solid evidence that Chloroquine and Hydroxychloroquine are somewhat effective and Chloroquine works in real world patients.

Remdesivir is not looking good at this point, makes it zero out of three for that drug, Gilead will find a use for it, maybe as antiviral paperweights, if it really doesn't work at all they should rename it F35-737MAX and the government will buy huge amounts for an insane price. Several other promising drugs completely failed to deliver positive results in real patients. Everyone is waiting for more trial data out of China, they have a 2 month lead.

This is going to burn out sooner or later because it is changing at average of 1-2 base mutation per week, the most unpleasant form is asymptomatic in 80% of cases, and 10% of the remaining 20% are ending up in hospital so 2% of the original infected numbers, the danger now is that by concentrating the more dangerous forms in hospitals there is selection pressure favoring the most unpleasant forms.Large hospitals are probably the greatest invention ever for spreading infections, put all the sick people from all over in one place, then allow the staff to spread the infectious agent between the patients. Large hospitals like kindergartens are just giant petri dishes. The less debilitating forms and those with a longer incubation period will eventually win out over faster more brutal strains.
 
cduggles said:
I listened to two Nobel laureates dump on Pauling for the vitamin C thing. It was hilarious.
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Nobel Laureate syndrome or Nobel disease is a syndrome out of Sweden like Stockholm syndrome, or Gretan death doom syndrome, Sweden is good at exporting syndromes... that causes Nobel Laureates to make statements about fields outside their expertise and then when challenged wheel out their Nobel prize as somehow proof. It has a long long list of victims.

Some though like Kary Mullis are actually very smart and perceptive but don't know where the line is between speculation based on facts and facts based on speculation.

Nobel disease

Nobel disease, also known as nobelitis,[1] is a phenomenon where a Nobel Prize-winning scientist endorses or performs "research" in pseudoscientific areas in their later years, generally (though not always) after having won the esteemed prize for some legitimate scientific achievement.
rationalwiki.org rationalwiki.org
 
I assume the ones poohpooing vitamin C are the same ones that will suggest you should get vaccines

'According to the US National Library of Medicine, the flu vaccine is giving you more susceptibility to the Coronavirus'
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/31607599

Pity the strident authoritarian followers who foolishly believe that because medical authorities speak with certainty about vaccines, they too can speak with certainty on the topic. If only they allowed in a little doubt.
 
novaveritas said:
So far there is reasonably solid evidence that Chloroquine and Hydroxychloroquine are somewhat effective and Chloroquine works in real world patients.

Remdesivir is not looking good at this point, makes it zero out of three for that drug, Gilead will find a use for it, maybe as antiviral paperweights, if it really doesn't work at all they should rename it F35-737MAX and the government will buy huge amounts for an insane price. Several other promising drugs completely failed to deliver positive results in real patients. Everyone is waiting for more trial data out of China, they have a 2 month lead.
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Derek Lowe (I assume* you are familiar with him, but for others: he's a medicinal chemist and author of the very popular drug discovery/pharmaceutical industry blog In the Pipeline) recently posted a review of potential small-molecule coronavirus therapies.

*Hope I haven't made an ass out of us.
 
JGrimez said:
I assume the ones poohpooing vitamin C are the same ones that will suggest you should get vaccines

'According to the US National Library of Medicine, the flu vaccine is giving you more susceptibility to the Coronavirus'
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/31607599

Pity the strident authoritarian followers who foolishly believe that because medical authorities speak with certainty about vaccines, they too can speak with certainty on the topic. If only they allowed in a little doubt.
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Could you explain to me exactly how that study proves the point you're making?
 
JessFR said:
Could you explain to me exactly how that study proves the point you're making?
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I can't make you proficient in science I'm afraid.

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Quarantine Order Prompts Mass Panic as Italians Flee Coronavirus-Hit North
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Quarantine Order Prompts Mass Panic as Italians Flee Coronavirus-Hit North

Making spread of the virus more likely.
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A leaked plan to quarantine northern Italy spectacularly backfired, sending thousands of people into a panic as they tried to flee, potentially making the spread of coronavirus even worse.

The plan to quarantine more than 16 million people, preventing them from leaving the whole of Lombardy, including the financial capital of Milan, prompted a mass evacuation as train stations and other transport hubs were deluged with travelers.

The order was set to take effect on Sunday, but it was leaked late Saturday afternoon by the media, prompting a huge exodus.

“Packed bars and restaurants quickly emptied out as many people rushed to the railway station in Padua,” reports SCMP. “Travellers with suitcases, wearing face masks, gloves and carrying bottles of sanitising gel shoved their way on to the local train.”

In the south of the country, police officers wearing medical suits were dispatched to train stations to test the new arrivals.
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Coronavirus Patient Zero in Italy Was Pakistani Migrant Who Refused to Self-Isolate
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Coronavirus Patient Zero in Italy Was Pakistani Migrant Who Refused to Self-Isolate

Continued to work at restaurant and deliver Chinese food.
summit.news

The man believed to be coronavirus patient zero in Italy is a Pakistani migrant refused to self-isolate after testing positive for the virus and continued to deliver food.

Health authorities asked the man to quarantine himself at his home in the Pavia area for two weeks, but he ignored the request and continued to work at a Chinese restaurant.

He then compounded the risk of spreading the virus by making home deliveries of Chinese food.

Authorities were alerted to the situation and the military intervened to return the man to his home.

“The Carabinieri have been busy reconstructing all the movements of the young man, in order to identify as many people as possible with whom he came into contact. In the meantime, the military has closed the Chinese restaurant,” reports Free West Media.

The migrant now faces up to 3 months in jail for failing to self-isolate under article 650 of the Italian penal code.

Italy has recorded a total of more than 3,000 cases of the coronavirus and 148 people have died. The country was the primary source of the virus spreading to numerous other European countries.
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JessFR said:
I can read. I asked you to explain how it proves your point. Which you suspiciously refused too.
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I posted the study along with a specific excerpt. The only thing suspicious is your refusal or inability to understand it. Though I suspect your resistance is due to your unresearched devotion to the efficacy of vaccinations.
 
did you know that the virus only kills white people and it is a secret anti white bio weapon to reduce the white population look it up all the deaths are all white people other races just get a little sick then recover this is the global white people extermination program
 
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