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oh my reason for saying it's not tolerance is because I have been wanting one of my closest friends who knows nothing about how it used to be, I want them to experience it. because I was really affected positively by my experience. Anyway so we both take same amounts of modern molly and I keep saying that we are not experiencing the real thing. yes we get short boost and have energy, but no lovey dovey feeling and opening of the 3rd eye. I described it to them like serotonin is a bucket of water and MDMA should dump most of it on our brains. but we are only experiencing a few drops. still fun but nothing close to "rolling face!"

therefore if tolerance was the reason then newbies would be able to roll on so called molly. And yes I do have a tester. I even have a tester in glass vial I ordered back in 2001. marquis tester.

the illuminati probably hoarded all of the pure liquid E 😉
 
@Last-Don-Pablo Believe me, most of the people in this thread are not locked into a "tolerance" explanation. We have noticed the same things you have: that new users do not roll; that old users roll fine on some products and not on others; that come-downs on the "meh" product are different or non-existent. It seems like a different compound. We have all noticed that.

However, I also want to be open minded. I have tried many different products since I started participating in this thread years ago. None of them have been like the stuff I had in the 00s. I am willing to consider the possibility that the problem is something with me. However, I am also willing to consider that the problem is the product.

I agree with almost all of your observations, and have stated the same things previously. I have also noticed that on the "meh" product I get very agitated and can be mean. I was at my favorite band's performance on the front row, and all I could do was feel pissed at a guy next to me who was being loud. I could have fought him, I was so mad. This was on 200 mg of the "meh" product.

I have also observed at least two people who had never done MDMA on the "meh" product. They were unimpressed and obviously not "rolling face" as you said. One of them actually shrugged her shoulders and said it was "ok." The other girl talked about a lot of negative and depressing topics. Compared to new users I watched in the early 00s...totally different. There used to be physically observable phenomenon: dilated eyes, askew jaw, wide eyes, eyes rolling back, rubbing/touching self/others. I did not see any of that with these newbies. However, I did attend an event and saw those behaviors from some people in the audience, so it seems that the product I am familiar with is out there for a minority of individuals.

In any case...

I made a post awhile back that summarized our top theories. However, it is super hard to find posts in this 177 page thread. So, I will summarize again.

Current working thesis statement: Variations in MDMA synthesis methods result in variations of product due to either a) presence of active impurities or b) substitution of structurally similar compounds.

There are multiple published research articles that indicate that synthesis methods result in different impurities. There is also a published research article that shows that some seized product that appears to be MDMA is actually a different but structurally similar compound that fools GCMS testing. There is also published research that shows that at least some impurities interfere with the effects of MDMA.

We have a few efforts underway to try to prove any of this. I have been in communication with DrugsData (formerly ecstasydata), and they are looking into the "structurally similar" compound theory. @vash445 is also running some tests with the help of someone he knows. We are hoping to come to some concrete conclusions.
 
Negi said:
Unfortunately trusting RC vendors has been shown to be very dangerous. Just three months ago a Canadian vendor sent out a very nasty cocktail of RC benzos as 3-FPM.
Within Canada there is now a completely free, anonymous mail in testing service, that will even show quantitative results: https://getyourdrugstested.com/how-to-test-by-mail/
I would strongly recommend that everyone use it.

On the topic of this thread, looking at the results they post online it's interesting to see how much of the MDMA (in Vancouver at least) is cut anywhere from 20-70%, usually with mannitol.
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Yes, I have heard of this type of pratice I guess I have just been lucky so far. I still find this kind of scam is way less widespread than with street drugs. I did receive weak batches of rc products but never anything that felt like a cocktail of random drugs. Thanks for the mail testing ressource, I did not know about this one.
 
^^^I kinda agree with you, but for me after the whole bromo-dragonfly sold in place of 2ce fiasco I will from now on always test RCs.

While your more likely to get an adulterated substance on the street, I’d argue the risks are much higher if you wind up unlucky and get sold the wrong RC.

It doesn’t even have to be an evil intent by the vendor, it’s not uncommon for the wrong RC to get mislabeled and sent. Many vendors have high potency drugs as well on their inventory lists, street dealers usually do not. One batch of Nbome insteD of 2ce/I/b/p could be deadly.

-GC
 
To anyone interested, I have had little to no comedown. Actually felt great today. I was rocking out in my car and losing track of the speed limit. :D Yesterday, I had a bit of indigestion, but nothing too bad.
 
ShooShoo said:
Is it possible to find MagicDMA on darknet markets at all?
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I imagine so, yes. Might just take some inspecting of the reviews, pictures, notoriety of the vendor, whatever info is available through the vendor's profile/listings; all you can really do is make an educated guess.

Could be partly superstition, but I've mentioned before I'd just steer clear of listings for the really inexpensive "Dutch" 82% MDMA, which make up the vast majority of listings. Look for the ones that just aren't that, and you'll notice it often looks different, not dutch origin, often domestic, much more info in the description, marginally more expensive, often more responsive/knowledgeable about what they've got, etc. Searching for "Washed MDMA" might get you going in the right direction, shows they know what they're doing and actually care (?) about what they're selling to people. Regardless of whether you buy into any of our half baked theories, I think you'll likely get a higher quality product anyways from such listings for not much increased cost.
 
ShooShoo said:
Is it possible to find MagicDMA on darknet markets at all?
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It's certainly possible, but has proven to be very difficult.
If you look around the markets enough you'll see that there are a few vendors out there selling product that may have potential.
 
Hilopsilo said:
Could be partly superstition, but I've mentioned before I'd just steer clear of listings for the really inexpensive "Dutch" 82% MDMA, which make up the vast majority of listings. Look for the ones that just aren't that, and you'll notice it often looks different, not dutch origin, often domestic, much more info in the description, marginally more expensive, often more responsive/knowledgeable about what they've got, etc. Searching for "Washed MDMA" might get you going in the right direction, shows they know what they're doing and actually care (?) about what they're selling to people. Regardless of whether you buy into any of our half baked theories, I think you'll likely get a higher quality product anyways from such listings for not much increased cost.
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I guess this is a function of where you buy from, but in the uk almost all the listings mention Dutch. The one or two that don't, also don't say anything to give confidence. I've tried avoiding the dutch claims but still everything is meh.

Ideally, people in the know would put feedback on the vendors pages or on the forums saying if a batch was magic. But that doesn't seem to be the case and, although I've seen discussion of mdma turning bad on the DN forums, there doesn't appear to be any awareness of this thread (so the same old excuses keep coming out). I presume discussion of actual vendors is not ok here. It would be nice to have somewhere where magic batches can be reported on.

Some have recommended to qdance pills. I still don't get how they can be upwards of 250mg and magic so I'm skeptical.
 
I take back everything I said about the comedown. I had a rough day yesterday!!! It was a traditional blue "Tuesday." Kinda feel relieved though, since that is what old product used to do to me.
 
indigoaura said:
I take back everything I said about the comedown. I had a rough day yesterday!!! It was a traditional blue "Tuesday." Kinda feel relieved though, since that is what old product used to do to me.
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That's only because you're not mitigating it with enough alcohol... ;)
 
There's this forum here: https://www.sciencemadness.org/whisper/ which is a chemistry forum, not a la thehive, it is a legit chemistry discussion forum but with some very open minded and knowledgeable souls.
I guess that we may get some interesting feedbacks from them specially when the discussion isn't focused on the best synth but rather what could go wrong and why (in this case, the Meh product).
If any of you guys would like to prepare a post with the proper questions asked I'll be happy to post it there...
 
indigoaura said:
I take back everything I said about the comedown. I had a rough day yesterday!!! It was a traditional blue "Tuesday." Kinda feel relieved though, since that is what old product used to do to me.
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It is actually a good sign. I have only ever had suicide tuesday from MagicDMA. Mehdma ime produces zero after-effects other than a physical comedown immediately after and nothing in the following days.
 
@mooka I am not the most science oriented person in this thread, but I am a decent writer. I will attempt to write up a query for your forum. Thanks!
 
I'm pretty sure my first ever pill was a magic one. It was red but I don't remember the press, 8 years ago exactly. I've never felt so much pure love and empathy than that night. Spilling my heart out to my friends. Every touch felt absolutely amazing. We had glowstick liquid on the walls and looking at it was so trippy. I remember dancing with this girl I was mad about after the party with a strobe and it was just so incredible. Haven't felt anything close to this anytime since that.
I hope I find a pill that good again in the future. I remember the comedown the next few days and going for a walk in the city, it was so melancholic but kind of beautiful.
My last was a heineken and it was so meh, no rush, extremely mild euphoria, no comedown.
Take me back to the old days :(
 
I've been rolling since 2012,Ive tried everything from reg old school round pills, speedy pills, meh pills, magic white MDMA, garbage powder, Dutch molly, meh mdma, etc. IMO there's still good Stuff out there. My last roll was a month ago and I was super rolled on just 100mg, I don't think tolerance is much of an issue if you don't take it too often/save it for special occasions. If you ask me would we have an answer to this question one day? I think so we just need to legalize mdma first, until that day arrives we will just have to be pleased we've had all kinds of experiences and lived to the fullest. 😂 NZN
 
ThreePointCircle said:
I guess this is a function of where you buy from, but in the uk almost all the listings mention Dutch. The one or two that don't, also don't say anything to give confidence. I've tried avoiding the dutch claims but still everything is meh.

Ideally, people in the know would put feedback on the vendors pages or on the forums saying if a batch was magic. But that doesn't seem to be the case and, although I've seen discussion of mdma turning bad on the DN forums, there doesn't appear to be any awareness of this thread (so the same old excuses keep coming out). I presume discussion of actual vendors is not ok here. It would be nice to have somewhere where magic batches can be reported on.

Some have recommended to qdance pills. I still don't get how they can be upwards of 250mg and magic so I'm skeptical.
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A thread was started recently asking if anyone has found MagicDMA on darknet avengers the other day. No real responses yet. I've been eyeing some listings that advertise a full wash and recrystalization, but from what I've read here, that wouldn't actually remove the impurities that may be affecting the roll of an inferior product. Hopefully we can get some better reviews on the dnm forums. The only place were there seem to be some good discussion of product is on dn avengers, specially lots of discussion on cola. Not much chatter on the hub, dread, or envoy, unfortunately.

We shouldn't pay too close of attention to vendor reviews on the actual markets. Those should just be confirmation that a vendor is shipping the product successfully with proper stealth and not actually scamming people. The real product reviews should be on the forums, IMO.
 
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